To "UT Brit" you really are judging the US system off of a couple of bad
experiences.Maybe if you ever come back to the US, before you get
any treatment you should "Do research and you get excellent health
care." You forget that there are good Doctors and bad ones everywhere.The sad thing is that you assume that all doctors in the US are like the
one bad dentist you had.You also ignore the fact that many of the
socialized medicine programs are sinking, and that the system as a whole in the
UK is killing people becaue of wait times and cost saving policies.
@lost in DCNo thats exactly the point, its not to do with
regulations or the FDA its plain cheaper to get regular standard treatments in
other countries. I know someone who went to Mexico to get some dental work done.
The dentist in the US was asking close to 5 figures for the work and he got it
done with no complications at a fraction of the price in Mexico.Look
up some of the costs of basic treatments that are covered by the FDA. Also
statistically speaking if you want a heart bypass you will get better results in
India and a lot cheaper as well.@RedShirtI have had poor
treatment in the States, I had to get a dentist in the UK to fix terrible work
that I had done in the US. The US does not have a monopoly on good doctors. Go
to Malaysia, Singapore, India and you will see top notch facilities with doctors
and surgeons that have been trained in the West. All this for a fraction of the
cost a faciity in the US would charge. Do research and you get excellent health
To lost in DC:When you start a new paragraph the first letter is
supposed to be capitalized :)I don't know how we can explain in
any simpler to you. We pay more than any other country in the world for health
care and we are not in the top 20 for results. It's as simple as that. We
don't have as great of a system as you think we do. Just because you have
been told otherwise doesn't mean it is true. Go look at the facts, they
don't lie.Big corporations and businesses are making a killing,
all the while giving us sub-standard results. Peace.
UT Brit,you missed my point completely - either that or you chose to
ignore it.people go overseas for treatments the FDA won't allow
here - regardless of cost. (meaning cost has NOTHING to do with it). Since
they cannot get the treatments here at any price, they go elsewhere to get them.
many of the treatments are quackery, many are not, but they cannot get them
here regardless of costs, so they go elsewhere. you see, it has nothing to with
the cost.In case you missed it again, it has nothing to with the
cost. I don't know how I can make it any clearer for you.
To "UT Brit" they may get the initial treatment cheaper, but often the
complications make up or exceed the savings.In "Medical tourism
complications rise" from Comsmetic Surgery Times, the doctors find that the
people that go abroad for cosmetic surgeries end up having to get problems fixed
by a US doctor later. The doctors reported "they had treated patients who
had traveled abroad for cosmetic procedures, and more than half (51.6 percent)
reported an increase over the past five years in the number of such patients
presenting with complications." The most common complication was secondary
infection.So yes, you can get cheaper treatment, but you also get it
at higher risk. Currently the FDA does not keep track of complications that
arise after engaging in medical tourism.
@lost in DC"or the cost"Thats exactly why they
are leaving. Go look at some of the treatment costs in the US for standard
operations. Then look at the same treatment costs offered in the Philippines,
India, Singapore, etc and prepare to pick your jaw off the floor.As
I cant post links here you will have to look up the numbers yourself. When it
comes to costs, Americans are getting taken for a ride.
church member"their", not "there"there is a
difference between health care and a health care model. please try to not mix
the two.UT Britthose leaving the US for care do so for
treatments not allowed under FDA rules, not because of the quality or the cost.
flashing numbers without support does not tell the entire story.
To Kiddsport:My friends in England and France laugh when they hear
people say "everyone around the world comes to the U.S. to get good health
care".The truth is that people in Europe are very happy with
there health care. They would never trade it for the U.S. model. Would Jesus deny poor people health care???
To "UT Brit" really, it is in the news all the time.Look up
the news stories about Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams who
skipped out on Canadian hospitals to go to the US for heart surgery.There are others, too. One thing to note is that US cities along the Canadian
border are making deals with Canada to treat their people. If Canada is so
great, why would their government need to outsource medical treatment to the US?
@kiddsportIn 2007 80,000 came into the US to seek healthcare.
750,000 Americans left the US to seek health care in other countries. It is
predicted to be around 1.4 million this year.If many people leave
for the US for treatments, why do I not know a single person who has done so?
Church member: Why do the next 30 most advanced countries in the world see many
of their citizens running to the US when they need timely, advanced medical
care?one old man: I recommend you follow your own advice and look up the
legislative history of the Massachusetts bill. Many of the fundamentals were
passed over Romney's veto (it was an 80% Democrat congress) and the
mis-administration by Romney's Democrat successor finished it's fate.
And it still doesn't work.
The actual legislative history of Obamacare;Passed in the dark of night,
behind closed doors without any Republican input or debate or opportunity for
Republican votes.We were told: "we needed to pass it in order to
understand what's in it".Max Baucus (D) the main architect,
warned us "Obamacare is a trainwreck".Obamacare is so unpopular
Democrats are getting hammered by their constituents and fear it will cost them
re-election. Millions of Americans are now losing their jobs or and having
to work part time thanks to Obamacare mandates.Noting we were told by the
Democrats about Obamacare has been the truth, nothing!Typical Democrat
blaming this mess on Republicans! LOL
Why do the next 30 most advanced countries in the world have universal
healthcare (health care for all)???Maybe we, as Americans, are the
ones that have it wrong. Maybe the other 30 have it right.Jesus
taught "love the poor". We should follow his example.
Yes, it was a Republican idea in the first place. About which they huffed and
puffed and did nothing once election times passed. They proposed it -- to
entice clueless voters to vote for them and then stuffed it to please their
corporate masters.And Social Mod -- yup, they considered it and
reconsidered it and waffled and wove for 50 years and then when push came to
shove stuffed Obama's proposal with about 1500 unnecessary extra pages as
they tried to keep their corporate overlords happy.Look up the
legislative history of the bill.
Too little, too late. I'm sure they'd rather see the old status quo
remain unchanged, because that's what the insurance and health provider
industries want and that's what they pay politicians for. I imagine the
republican plan will address many things, excluding the needs of human beings
who need health care, which is to say all of us. For that group, a single payer
system makes sense. For the insurance industry, it does not. Guess which one the
republicans will bow to?
One old man. Whoa, wait a minute! Wasn't it you that has been telling us
Obamacare was a actually Republican idea in the first place? So which is it and
who is really about 50 years too late?
One Old Man,Or, the GOP actually took some time to consider ideas and
impact before throwing a 2000 page bill at congress to get passed as fast as
"Officials said the legislation contains no provision to assure insurance
coverage for millions of lower-income Americans who are scheduled under current
law to be enrolled in Medicaid, a state-federal health care program for the
poor." Nothing says Republican like this.
Well, gee whiz and golly!Trouble is, this is only about 50 years
late.Takes a long time for the GOP to start to wake up, doesn't
The best thing that could be done is keep the one provision in Obamacare that
most agree with, namely, no exclusions for pre-existing conditions, and scrap
Democrats will never accept anything from the GOP because its their way or
nothing. And they call the GOP the party of no? lol