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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 18 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"especially Congress, have requested and been granted exemptions to the law."

Ben, a Republican put this into the law hoping that Obama would find a problem with this and veto the bill. President Obama didn't fall for this trap.

So you may want to talk to your GOP about that.

The rest of the issues you brought up have been thoroughly debunked for years now. I cannot help you if you don't want to do any research on your own. Unfortunately, I'm guessing you already know that there are realistic responses to your questions but you already have your mind made up against Obamacare because of Obama and don't want to look any of this information up.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Uh, 'cause Congress isn't exempt from Obamacare, and that no such exemption has ever been requested? Factcheck.org has an excellent, factually accurate story that explains the whole thing. The DN won't let me link to the story, but it's easy to find; just google Congress exempt from Obamacare? Congress is NOT exempt from participating in the Obamacare exchanges.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Everyone who has employer provided health insurance is "exempt". The whole system is designed to cover people who don't have coverage.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Roland: The problem with your statement is that now millions of employer provided health insurance programs are going away, cancelled, deleted and eliminated. Obamacare is a huge job killer and if you have been paying attention to the news, it is already happening. The Achilles' heal of Obamacare is far too few people paying into the system and massive increases of people taking out with taxpayer subsidizes. Obamacare is nothing more than the largest welfare program in the history of the world! There is no hope of us ever paying for it! Obamacare will bankrupt our country, guaranteed!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I'm pretty sure the ObamaCare is going to go GREAT and everybody's going to be dancing in the streets and thanking Obama for saving us. Years from now we'll probably all be looking back on Obama as our savior (or blaming him for America going into bankruptcy).

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"The RNC echoes others conservative claims that the law is hindering part-timers from finding full-time jobs. But the RNC’s 8.2 million figure was the total number in June of part-time workers in the U.S. seeking full-time work — what the Bureau of Labor Statistics calls “part-time for economic reasons” — and there’s no evidence from BLS numbers that the law has had an impact on such workers. There were more in this “part-time for economic reasons” category in March 2010, when the Affordable Care Act was signed into law (9.1 million). The latest figure, from August, is 7.9 million."

There is more discussion on jobs and Obamacare at factcheck org)

Congress is not exempt. In fact, Congress is the ONLY large employer which is required to use the healthcare exchanges to purchase insurance. (It was included in the bill by Republicans trying to kill the bill).

There have been some "waivers" issued during the implementation process to allow companies to make the various changes/adaptations required.

Obviously the letter writer needs more accurate sources.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

If Obamacare is so bad why did the GOP endorse it in the 90s?

If Obamacare is so bad why didn't the Bush Administration do anything about health care for 8 years?

If the GOP had gotten off their lazy bums to do something... Anything! About health care over 8 years we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. Instead, they didn't do anything.

And they still have yet to do anything.

Sorry repubs, ya'll can't complain until you come up with solutions!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"Obamacare will bankrupt our country, guaranteed!"

I'm pretty sure that you guaranteed a Romney victory. How'd that work out for ya?

Why anyone would believe in your guarantees is beyond me. Ever heard of the story of the boy who cried wolf?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Maverick. You are wrong. I never guaranteed Romney would win. I hoped he would win but predicted he would lose because the majority of Americans have discovered they can vote themselves entitlements from the national treasury-at least until we can't borrow any more money or pay the interest on the debt. We are getting closer to that day and Obamacare will hasten it!

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

If some of the posters would spend as much time reading the Constitution as they spend telling us what they think government should do, we would not have ObamaCare. The Constitution allows Congress to tax us for seventeen authorized duties. All other "duties" are to left to the States or to the People. Personal health care is not on that list of federal duties.

Obama, who some consider to be a Constitutional expert, surely understands Article 1, Section 8, yet he proposed and signed a bill that clearly violates the authorized duties of the Federal Government. That tells us all that we need to know about Obama. He took an oath of office to defend the Constitution. He violated that oath.

ObamaCare will bankrupt us. People will die waiting for healthcare from the government. The "Secretary" will deny service to millions. The government will spend ObamaCare funds on porkbarrel projects, just as they've spent Social Security funds.

When we allow government to tax us for unauthorized programs we have failed as citizens to do our job, which is to control government. It's time to study the Constitution. It's our contract with the government.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mike --
Please go back to September 17, 1787

So woman can not vote,
Blacks can be slaves,
and Governors can sign extermination orders against Mormons.

BTW - Obama hasn't violated his oath,
so says the Supreme Court, and regardless of what you say.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Actually I remember certain predictions about a Romney win too, more than one at that.
Why does the Dnews keep printing these low information letters that are so easily proven wrong?
Why is it a certain radio audience, perpetually repeats this misleading rhetoric as facts only to look foolish again and again?

"ObamaCare will bankrupt us. People will die waiting for healthcare from the government. The "Secretary" will deny service to millions."

Proselytizing seem to be a conservative standard, no matter how many times it never "comes to pass."

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Funny how a right wing, activist Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of the ACA. Not every so-called expert cherry picks what they want to believe.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Mike:

Thanks for clearing up the meaning of the Constitution once again. What a relief to know that we have a bona fide Constitutional expert right here in our midst, whose qualifications eclipse those of that fellow who was president of the Harvard Law Review, and who taught constitutional law at one of the top law schools in the country. Let's see, remind us again where you went to law school, in which journals your scholarly articles were published, where (other than this forum) you have lectured on constitutional law, how many cases you have argued before the Supreme Court, and other pertinent accomplishments from your resume. Thanking you in advance . . . .

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Mountanman – “The problem with your statement is that now millions of employer provided health insurance programs are going away, cancelled, deleted and eliminated.”

Looking at the economics of this, to the extent employers get out of the health insurance business altogether (and they can move in that direction - like Walgreens just did – by moving employees onto the exchanges) this would be a job creator, not to mention the mobility it will potentially create in the labor market - nothing has been more detrimental to business startups than people not wanting to take the risk of losing their large group medical insurance.

And have you ever wondered why so many auto manufacturing jobs moved to Canada (with their communist single payer healthcare system)? It’s because Automakers didn’t have to mess with healthcare – it’s worth more to their bottom line to just pay the slightly higher wage.

@Mike Richards – “If some of the posters would spend as much time reading the Constitution”

Mike, if you ever got on the SC you would make Scalia look like Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

LDS Liberal

I'd be careful with the Supreme Court ruling as an argument, as you pointed out at the beginning, they supported many things that today are illegal.

ugotabekiddin

Your point shows why this in NOT a right wing court as some imply. In fact it is probably the most evenly divided court we have ever had. With some exception the decisions are usually 5 to 4. Kennedy often being the swing vote.

Curmudgeon

If Obama was such a great lawyer, why didn't he clerk on the Supreme Court, or even a federal court, as most top grads do? Maybe he was in truth a Salieri amoung Mozarts.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

When this is fully implemented... I don't want to hear any complaining from you flaming Obana Fans. You think it's perfect and you got what you wanted, so no complaining.

Somehow I think the same people will be complaining about healthcare (like always).

It's never good enough, or free enough for some people. But keep in mind... nothing's free. Every cent of every insurance policy that needs to be sold before this goes into affect has to be paid for, by somebody. You can keep hoping it's not you, and it's somebody else who has to pay (your employer, your exchange voucher, the tax payers, anybody but you). But SOMEBODY has to pay the bill. There's no getting around that.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Maverick-

How did a republican put anything in the ACA bill when they weren't permitted into any of the meetings which drafted the bill?

There is no republican hand in the ACA. No input on the wording because they were denied by the democrats, and not one vote for it in either house.

This is all democrat responsibility, and it has headed our country for failure.

Slipping in cute little lies, like this, when the popularity is slipping is classic liberal deceit.

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Obamacare isn't about healthcare (especially the part about making it "affordable"), rather its all about government control.
Why else is the IRS involved?

Do you REALLY want the IRS involved in your healthcare?

It is the job of the House of Representatives to set a budget. If they make a budget without including Obamacare thats' their right.
All the people who WANT Obamacare can re-elect new House members in 2014 that will give them Obamacare (and more) "free stuff".
Good luck with that!

Obamacare is the #1 job-killer in the country. It will NEVER work for a variety of reasons. People are beginning to see the negative effects in all kinds of ways.
I'm totally in favor of a government shutdown IF it preserves the constitutional limits of our elected leaders.
It will be worth it!

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:Badgerbadger
"When Congress passed the health care law, U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley, a Republican from Iowa, included an amendment that required lawmakers and their staffs to buy health insurance through the online exchanges created by the law.

Grassley’s amendment was intended to test the commitment of Senate Democrats to the health care law. Would they be as supportive of the law if they had to buy insurance through an exchange? The amendment stayed."
(politifact

Re:MikeRichards

If you knew anything about the U.S. Constitution (or the law) you would know it is one of the shortest constitutions in the world, thereby leaving many gaps and room for interpretation. You would also know that even those who drafted it--the Founding Fathers--disagreed on the "correct" interpretation, ie its limitations. For example, where in the Constitution is the authority of the Federal govt. to regulate illegal drugs? Why did regulation of alcohol require an amendment but not illegal drugs?

You can claim your "interpretation is correct" but many Constitutional Law experts would provide sound arguments as to why you are wrong. Other experts would argue why you are correct. And so it goes.

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