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Published: Friday, Sept. 20 2013 7:49 a.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The Associated Press that Alexis had been suffering a host of serious mental issues, including paranoia and a sleep disorder. He also had been hearing voices in his head, the officials said.

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Gee, imagine that.
No surprise at all.
These are all side-effects to popular anti-depressant medications.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@LDS Liberal

gee were do you get that anti depressants had anything to do with it? These are also common symptoms of several mental health deceases including PTSD, dissociative disorders and schizophrenia. As a therapist I am not a big fan of medications but your comment is willfully ill responsible.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Geez,
Then you should already know that PTSD is commonly treated with SSRIs.

Read the FDA black-box warning labels.
As therapist, you should know the reason they are "required by law" to be there.

Go ahead -- look it up.
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold - Columbine High School.
The Virginia Tech shooter - on an antidepressant.
Kip Kinkel murdered his mother and stepmother then shot twenty-two classmates.
James Holmes opened fire in a Colorado movie theater and killed twelve people and wounded fifty-eight.
Adam Lanza Sandy Hook Elementary - 26 dead, treated with anti-depressants.

The common denominator?:
drugs AND an FDA required black box warning label warning as much.

You're a Doctor - you figure it out.

JDL
Magna, UT

Enter CIA and MK Ultra

azreader1
tucson, AZ

So, LDS Liberal, what are your suggested remedies for treating those with severe depression as you seem to disfavor anti-depressants.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@LDS Liberal

I am aware of the side effects my point was and still remains that you have zero proof that this had anything to do with the side effects of a medication and all the symptoms described are also associated with these disorders not just medications. My concern is your alarmist comment could actual lead to further harm if someone became spooked because of your comment and stopped taking their medications without talking to their doctor, such an event could have catastrophic affects on their health and possible their safety.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" wow, how many degrees do you have. Apparently you know about psychology than people that are trained in it. Do you think that "spring street" should help you do your engineering?

Did you also see where Adam Lanza and Alexis both loved playing violent video games. Why not look into that too. Maybe the problem is the violence and realism in video games.

dale richards
Green River, Utah

Here we go again the medical profession let us down.
This guy should have been put on list the the bureau
has for restricting gun ownership. Now this administration
Will use this as a reason for more gun control.

CB
Salt Lake City, UT

Another 'gun-free' Zone....thanks to Pres. Clinton who ban firearms from military bases.
How many more will have to die before this nonsense ends?

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Thank you redshirt. I know it may not sound like it but I do understand your concerns LDS Liberals concerns and share those concern with the risk associated with the medications and that they need to be closely monitored by a professional but these types of side effects are very rare and there is no indication that he was taking any medications that might cause these types of symptoms or that he was taking medications at all. Again I am not a big fan of medications but there are times when are appropriate.

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

Anybody ever hear of possession by unclean spirits?

bw00ds
Tucson, AZ

I will side with LDS Liberal's points. I understand what you are trying to say, spring street, and I agree with them to a point. However, the evidence that is ignored and out there if you do your research is that psychotropic drugs have been the common factor in *every* mass killings and attacks in the news lately. LDS Liberal's list above is correct.

The prescription of psychiatric drugs is an epidemic. Think about it—this is a “science” where they declare a “chemical imbalance” for certain behaviors and yet there is no pathology performed: lab tests, blood tests, x-rays, etc. Yet they prescribe these drugs for what medical condition? And when those drugs do not work, they either blame it on the patient or prescribe more drugs. And psychiatry has such a strong hold on education and behaviors of children that psychotropic drugs in children as young as kindergarten age is rampant.

Research and comments by psychologists, university researchers, and current and former employees of pharmaceutical corporations show that these drugs do not work and increase suicidal/homicidal and violent tendencies multiple fold. They also skew reality.

I agree with LDS Liberal.

bw00ds
Tucson, AZ

And if these drugs skew reality, then obviously, violent video games will have a dramatic effect on the user.

Even if psychotropic drugs had no part in this, these mass killings highlight the weaknesses of the system:

1. A gun-free zone, so therefore
2. Unarmed victims.

Killers, if you notice, only go where they know there will be no one to shoot back at them.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Trolley Square shooter.
Jordan River Temple shooter.
LDS Genealogy Library Shooter.
Mark [Lori] Hacking shooter.
David Ragsdale LDS church parking lot shooting.
Josh Powell.

I could on and on and on.
All local - all taking SSRI - all murders.

But then there are the silent victims.
The suicides.
I personally know 4 people --
former Elder's Quorum President, classmate, worker, and a cousin --
all very good, "normal", people, feeling a little "down",
given these meds, and within 2-4 months dead from suicide.
And, not just the typical - turning the car on in the garage, drug overdose, drowning or hanging...
ALL of them very violent, Very bloody, and maximizing shock value. [guns]
Going out in a blaze of glory so to speak.
Even for those who just give up and want to end it all.
Completely out of character.

BUT --
It IS common -- 2-3% of the population will have this serious side effect.
And when you have 30% of the population taking them, you will see things like this happen.

Ever wonder why suicide rates in Utah is so high?
Perhaps because SSRI medication use is also so high.

I don't blame the guns, I blame the meds.

one old man
Ogden, UT

I have yet to hear whether or not this guy's gun was legally purchased and possessed.

A report on TV news last night seemed to indicate that even though he had a long and troubled history, none of it had been reported to any kind of data base. Because of that that he had been able to legally purchase the shotgun he used in Virginia just a few days earlier.

We need to know -- is that report correct or not.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Re: Gunman . . . was hearing voices"

Seems like one of them was Joe Biden's.

He took the Vice-President's advice to "buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun." NOT an AR-15 with a normal, 30-round magazine, as several media outlets gleefully, but erroneously reported. Perhaps intentionally.

As Harry Reid admitted yesterday, it's going to be hard for Second Amendment deniers to make much hay out of this tragedy.

But they're trying, anyway.

one old man
Ogden, UT

I don't know, procura. As more facts become available, there might be a lot of hay to be harvested. Here's a starter from the LA Times:

"He was carrying with him the shotgun, which he had recently LEGALLY PURCHASED from a gun store in a Virginia suburb.

Officials have said the shotgun was purchased from Sharp Shooters in Lorton, Va. The owner of the store refused to comment and directed questions to his attorney. "

How about these headlines from the New York Daily News"

"Washington Navy Yard shooting: Shooter allowed to buy gun despite mental issues, Navy misconduct
Despite hearing voices, shooting out someone’s tires in a 9/11-induced rage and being cited for misconduct eight times while he was a Navy reservist, Aaron Alexis passed a federal background check with flying colors and was able to buy the gun he used in Monday’s massacre."

This sounds like a strong and excellent case in favor of SENSIBLE laws to provide a national database of people with mental health and violent misdemeanors. His crimes did not rise to the level of felonies and thus he had those flying colors.

one old man
Ogden, UT

How about this:
Before you can shoot:

Must be at least 18 to buy a long gun and 21 to buy a handgun.
Can’t buy a gun for anyone other than yourself.
Potential buyer can’t be under indictment for a felony, convicted of a felony, or be a fugitive from justice.
Can’t be an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic or other controlled substance.
Gun seeker is ineligible if he or she has been committed to a mental health institution or declared mentally defective by a court.
Can’t buy a gun if dishonorably discharged.
Can’t have a history of domestic violence or been subject to a court order for harassing, stalking or threatening someone.
Application will be rejected if the person has renounced U.S. citizenship; must be living in the U.S. legally.
Must have a valid I.D.

Or would the NRA consider this too much of a restriction of Second Amendment "rights" to go out and kill people?

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "one old man" we already have those rules, except being dishonorably discharged. There are many reasons why a person could be dishonorably discharged, so that makes no sense.

The NRA doesn't have any problems with the ideas that you present.

Lew Scannon
Provo, UT

The way I see it, the conservatives and the NRA must be pleased that the shooter was able to so easily and legally purchase the gun he used to kill 12 innocent people. Isn't this what their outcry against any restrictions on gun purchases was all about? Isn't this exactly what they were hoping for? If not, then why are they so against reasonable restrictions? To hear them complain, you'd think that closing the loopholes in the system, like purchases at gun shows, and creating a national gun database are one short step from Nazi Germany. Well, this is where paranoia will get us. How many more of these senseless massacres must we witness before we finally realize that we are not living in 1787?

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