Published: Monday, Sept. 16 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Telling people "don't have sex" is never going to work. Countless
centuries of human history proves that. However, making contraceptives and sex
education readily available has been shown to reduce abortions by two-thirds.
The abortion rate has already fallen by one-third, which wold give you a 78%
reduction from where it was in 1980. Something that both pro-choice and pro-life
folks should celebrate.The abortion rate has never been zero, it
will never be zero. Even countries where abortion is illegal under all
circumstances have abortions.
Oh, brother...All I can say is, as a Latter-Day Saints I will
follow the Prophet and official LDS Church policy, and simply ignore the
rest.So, that will include this silly letter.
If you don't want a child don't have sex? What is this the
1800's? How about .. If you don't want a child don't have
OH! I didn't know it was just so simple. A simple solution for the most
complicated of problems! Of course!
LDS policy is against it except in rare instances. Many LDS Liberals call lds
people to repentance for opposing elective abortions. Dallin H. Oaks said we
must be for the right choice in a talk he gave at Byu in 1999 I think. Saying
people are to right of church and on and on.
The question is if it should be illegal or not. If you really want YOUR wife or
yourself investigated for homicide after a miscarriage then keep on down this
silly road.The fact is that even the Egyptians had means of aborting
a pregnancy and in some parts of the world they use a simple tea. is it right?
No. Can you investigate every time a pregnancy ends? Try it and see how that
goes for you. If that's the police state you want then keep on
with the nonsense.
Though not Mormon myself, I stand with the Mormon prophets on this one.Abortion is wrong and it should be acceptable only in cases of incest, rape,
and when the mother's life is in danger.In no other cases is it
permissible.I stand with the Mormon prophet on this.
As long as the earth has more that 500 million humans on it, I am in favor of
anything that will reduce the population.
Genius idea Peter!Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?Why even have birth control when they could just refrain from having
sex! BTW, has Peter done any research into this? If I were him
I'd check out the stats on teen pregnancy and abortion here in America. The
red "religious" states where sex ed barely exists, are among the leaders
in teen pregnancy and abortion. The blue "godless" states where
comprehensive sex ed is required, are leading the way in lowest pregnancy and
abortion rates.Food for thought!
A male author placing the full responsibility of a woman getting pregnant on the
woman. Last time I checked, it took two to create life.There are
other functions, and roles that sex plays other than the creation of life.
President Kimball did teach in the Miracle of Forgiveness that while husbands
and wives are not meant for other people or objects, they ARE for each other.
Sex is an important part of any intimate relationship. I'll openly and
happily admit my wife and I have had sex with no intent of having another child
beyond what we have.Unless the letter writer has only had sex for
the express intent of creating a child, he is a hypocrite and in no place to
judge anyone else decisions on how and when to have sex. What is needed is a
more realistic and healthy attitude of what sex is, and an atmosphere in which
it can be more freely discussed without shame.
Crusader,So are you arguing for the elimination of six and a half
billion people? Are you volunteering?I hope your silly post was as
tongue-in-cheek as mine is.
It's quite obvious that not having sex IF you don't want to get
pregnant is the only 100% sure way of making sure you don't become
pregnant.But the reality is... there is a large percentage of the
population that can't do that. So there has to be another solution. But
there are still many options that still don't require abortion of the
fetus. And even if all of them fail... there's still adoption.Abortion should be a last resort for special circumstances. IF it were only
used in cases of rape or a known threat to the health of the mother... there
would be very few abortions in America.I don't understand why
abortion at ANY TIME for ANY REASON... is so important to Democrats.Seems like a limit like 20 weeks should be acceptable... but did you see how
they responded when Texas tried to pass even that common sense restriction? I
don't get it.
Hey Peter, is it your body? No? Then mind your own business. You have no
business telling other people what they can and can not do with their bodies,
including abortion or having sex.
First, we need to acknowledge that people are going to have sex, whether we want
them to or not. Not just for procreation, but pleasure and fun as well. Then, we
need to bring it out into the open, and start treating sex like adults, not
giggly 8 year old boys. Easy access to and societal acceptance of contraception
is the next big step. Prevent unwanted pregnancy, because you're never
going to prevent unwanted sex.
RE: "As long as the earth has more that 500 million humans on it, I am in
favor of anything that will reduce the population" from Crusader Layton...
How about mass executions, forced sterilization, war, etc? I mean
you said "Anything" that would reduce the population, right?The thing that confuses me most about the left is... they will fight and wail
and cry to prevent the execution of a murderer who was convicted of atrocious
and violent crimes... but they will end an innocent baby's life with a
clear conscience. They will actually fight for the right to legally kill
innocent babies (because the population is too high for them)! I don't
see how they rationalize that. Save the murderers... but execute innocent
babies to save the planet.It just seems like twisted and perverse
logic to me.Overpopulation may be a problem in some places like
Africa with limited ability to develop their resources. But overpopulation in
the United States is a myth that's been debunked decades ago.Fly across the United States. Most of the time you can't even see a
Anyone who has immoral relations has already made a big mistake which hurts many
victims. To compound the mistake by ending a life who was invited into our
world is even more egregious. The biggest victims are the perpetrators
themselves, made weaker by every failure to exercise restraint.Fortunately, both they and their innocent victims are subject to the atonement
of Christ, which offers relief to all. It provides a pathway out of destructive
behavior patterns and also offers sure restitution to all innocent victims.God didn't just give us commandments. He gave us way to follow
them more easily. It never has been impossible to be chaste, no matter how many
people pretend that it is. All cynics in this matter need only pay attention to
the many, quiet, family-oriented people around town who still provide secure,
stable, homes for children to be born into. To them there is no such thing as
an "unwanted child."
Oh Peter, Peter, Peter, what a sheltered life you live. Are you advocating
abstinence by force? Are Utah women going to need to get some sort of license to
procreate? I hate abortion as much as the next guy but until you address the
other issues then you have nothing but rhetoric. You believe in birth, not life.
Your life is not indicative of everyone's life. God Bless you though.
Peter is 100% correct. Unlike both my own parents, I will NEVER become
alcoholic because I never drink alcohol. Whine about this fact all you want,
but it's 100% true.
ugottabkidn,Nobody's advocating abstinence by force. Show me
somebody who has said that. But nice straw man argument.I've
only seen people advocating people CHOOSE to not have sex if they don't
want a baby.Of course that all depends on the individual's
ability to choose whether they will have sex or not. But nobody has said we
should FORCE people to not have sex. Just pointing out that it's an
option... and it's 100% successful (where all other forms of birth control
have varying success rates, even when used appropriately).Nobody
said "Force".Please also not that nobody has proposed
preventing people from using any of the other forms of birth control as well (at
least from what I've read so far). We just want people to do what it
takes to avoid aborting babies (as we find that a barbaric form of birth
control).Use birth control. Use abstinence. If we did this...
there would be a lot fewer abortions in America.That's all.
To "cjb" yes, not having sex is the best way to avoid pregnancy. Even
using protection is not 100% protection. If you play with fire, even if you
protect yourself as much as you can, you will get burned.
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