Just proves the old adage of "peace through superior firepower"
@ SAS,No, arming the kindergarteners isn't the answer, but since that
shooter committed murder to get his guns in the first place, I don't know
how another layer of laws he would have ignored would have made any difference.
How about securing the school? Perhaps a better result. Columbine? Again, laws
broken to obtain the guns used. Another layer of laws? No difference. Aurora?
lots of conjecture, but had the security measures already in place been
enforced (patrolling and inspecting the doors in the back, he was able to prop
open a security door that should have been locked) I don't think he could
so easily have done his terrible deed. Nobody here is clamoring for mandatory
gun possession as you claim, only the right to carry legally and according to
the Constitution. Making it tougher for the law-abiding doesn't curb the
bad guys from breaking the law to get a gun. The NRA has never advocated for
these bad guys, they have always advocated for enforcement of the laws
penalizing criminals with guns.
The text of the second amendment:"A well-regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and
bear arms shall not be infringed."There are two clauses there;
reconciling them has always been the tricky part.But I'm not
sure how this "you must have a gun at all times, and you're doing a
public service by having it" hysteria bears any hint of being "well
regulated." Could arms have helped prevent Sandy Hook? Perhaps, but that
doesn't mean we should give semi-automatics to every kindergartener! Is
George Zimmerman's itchy trigger finger part of that well-regulated
militia? How about the blind man in Iowa who insists on his absolute right to a
concealed-carry permit?It seems to me that the current gun-mania
serves mostly to undermine people's faith in the institutions of a
democratic society and to prop up whatever paranoia (all-too-frequently mixed
with fear of an ethnic or political other) is left in its place.And,
of course, to line the pockets of the gun manufacturers who back the NRA.
I am amused by the whole tenor of the article. Somehow the NRA, being outspent
and the underdog in the this is the bogeyman. Mayor Bloomberg and another
contributor add many times the amount the NRA contributed, and the NRA is the
culprit. In the reports here in Colorado, the overwhelming majority of voters
voting against the two culprits were DEMOCRATS! They were recalled because of
arrogance, because they ignored their constituents views and they thumbed their
nose at the public when they rammed the offending bills through without allowing
opposing testimony.Short story: It wasn't the NRA, those two
State Senators did it to themselves.
SAS: I agree! Had there been just one person who knew how important it was to
protect him/her self and others with a God-given unalienable right, Columbine,
Aurora, and Sandy Creek would have been symbols of God's protective power,
not symbols of the failures of some Americans that a passive, non-literate
understanding of our Constitution and God is a way to save lives. Unfortunate is
the kindest word I can use.
This is a tragedy.One thing we need to know is what the voter
turnout was for this recall. Was it a high percentage of voters in the state,
or is this another case of voter apathy among people who would have cast ballots
supporting these legislators.Did a large number of voters stay home
and allow a small, but active minority of NRA followers to dictate to the rest
of them?Can Deseret News publish that information?
SASTell the people that lost loved ones in Boston that gun control would
have saved them. Oh that's right, they were killed with pressure cookers!
Crazy people will find a way to kill with or without guns. To say that
Columbine. Aurora. Sandy Creek would be prevented by gun control is naive at
best. Those killers would have just used another means to accomplish the same
SAS, there shall be no compromise on constitutional rights.
SAS Sounds as though to you the Second Amendment is the problem. You should
Columbine. Aurora. Sandy Creek.How quickly we forget preventable
tragedies and repeat the same tired mantras.If the NRA had any
workable plans to bring to the table--or were willing to make the most basic,
common-sense compromises--I'd be willing to listen. Until then,
they're part of the problem.And not a small part.
the anti-constitution dems lose out to the will of the people and so they create
a boogey-man on whom to place the blame. Oh, the horrible NRA! So out of
control! Such undue and undeserved influence!Maybe they should look
in the mirror. Maybe they should actually listen to their constituents.Maybe they should look at the fact that the anti-constitution crowd,
including bloomberg, pumped a lot more money into the campaign than did the
NRA.Oh well, typical dem thought process - "we lost, obviously
the unwashed masses were misinformed. had to be the evil NRA"
Looks like "the people" have spoken.
People have a right to defend themselves and their families. This is just the
bottom line. An other line, although not quite as fundamental is that guns are a
constitutionally protected right.
"The NRA does its job better than our side does our job," said Jim
Kessler, a co-founder of Third Way, which advocates for centrist Democratic
policies. "They know how to influence and intimidate elected people."Sure that's it. They would never admit the voters have a brain and
believe freedom to self protection is an inalienable right. Naw, it's
because the evil NRA has more influence.
I am not a member of the NRA, but I am going to join and contribute. They work
to protect and defend the constitution of the United States of America from
enemies foreign and domestic! Looks like recall elections worked also to get rid
of those who don't remember the oath of office they took to defend and
protect the constitution! But liberals don't like the constitution because
it limits the power of the government and gives it to the people! God bless
Freedom 1 Socialism/Communisim 0 Way to go NRA,Way to go Colo. Now lets show
Harry and the rest the way to go
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the
people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."George
Without eradicating the Compulsion impulse by those who want to deny every human
of an unalienable and God given right, this non-issue will continue to capture
the hearts of the naive, ignorant, and socialist planners.