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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 11 2013 9:50 a.m. MDT

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Christopher B
Ogden, UT

I don't think his bishop would approve of this would he?

I thought there were rules with how Mormons should dress, especially those who have gone through the temple.

Am I wrong?

Maybe I just don't understand?

wwookie
Payson, UT

Great story. I wouldn't have the kahunas to do something like that.

Hope the daughter knows it is just as embarrassing for dad as it was for her.

Lets just not make this a common occurrence.

9MM
Murray, UT

I love it! The question all parents should ask is how far will you go to teach your children correct principles? It is especially difficult when cultural standards are pulling farther away, or should I say pulling more off, from the principles of modesty and decency.
Making yourself an object lesson I think is an incredible teaching tool.

KeithB
Riverton, UT

@ChristopherB, Mormons do have standards of dress. I believe this Dad was utilizing a unique way of driving the point home with his daughter.

@wwookie, couldn't agree more.

steph-uk
Birmingham, West M

Great story and great dad. My only question is why does she even own immodest clothing? I know, I know...agency. Or perhaps she has her own money and buys her own clothes, but if I had ever brought home clothes that I'd bought that were inappropriate, my parents wouldn't have allowed me to keep them let alone wear them! I had expectations and I knew if I were to fall short of them it wouldn't be tolerated. That said, I understood why modesty is so important and never felt a desire to wear immodest or inappropriate clothing.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Keith,

I just want to understand.

So its ok to break standards of dress to prove a point about standards of dress?

What other things does this apply to?

Is it ok to start smoking/drinking to prove a point about smoking/drinking?

What is your opinion?

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

This guy is "DAD OF THE YEAR" for sure. What a great way to drive the point home.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@ Christopher B
The Savior did some rather radical things in his ministry.
The woman taken in adultery, clearing the merchants from the temple by force, turning away hungry followers because they were looking for a handout rather than Living Water...
The Pharisees had trouble with his teaching methods.
They also followed Him around asking questions calculated to entrap Him.

jeanie
orem, UT

Pretty amazing dad! Sometimes when all else fails shock is an option.

Chris B.
Sometimes creativity in parenting is necessary to get a kid to really think. When my mom was a teen she was told by her mom if she ever wanted to try alcohol or smoking my grandma would buy it for her and she could have a try at home. (This was in the generation before drugs) She didn't need to sneak around to experiment. My mom never took her up on the offer, but I have no doubt my grandma would have followed through had my mom asked. My wise grandma took away the mystery and the excitement of sneaking around. This dad put back in the face of his daughter that her choices affect others in an unforgettable way. I doubt he'll be disfellowshipped or loose his temple recommend.

Just an Observer
Salt Lake City, UT

Just in case we see comments here from those who want to poke, prod, belittle, and cajole those with whom they have issues, we should realize that they likely have had experiences that cloud their judgment--say, in the workplace, among their acquaintances, or even in marital relationships. What we often don't realize is that we actually do them a disservice in responding to them, because it provides them with the unhealthy stimulus they are seeking. If we don't respond, they will eventually tire of that lack of stimulus, and look to instead lift themselves out of the morass in which they find themselves. For the love of our fellowmen, let's help them by remaining silent when they post.

JSB
Sugar City, ID

I have six children and now 16 grandchildren and I know how difficult it is to get children through the teenage years. They have lots of brains but no good sense. I don't know if I would have done the same thing but I could have. I certainly don't judge the father for trying. I hope his daughter has enough brains and maturity to recognize how much his father loves her.

ordinaryindividual
Springville, UT

@Christopher B

That's a fair question. Here's my view on it.

If I take you to a basketball court and show you the exact perfect form on a free throw, and I even make 10 in a row to prove it works, and then leave, will you make every free throw for the rest of your life? No. But does your inability to make every free throw make the form any less perfect? No. The fact that you (or I) can't replicate the perfect form every time doesn't invalidate the perfection of the form.

Similarly, the standards of the church and the gospel of Christ as a whole attempt to show us that perfect form for lasting happiness. Neither you, nor I, nor Mr. Mackintosh can replicate that perfect form every time, despite our best efforts. Doesn't make the principles of the gospel any less perfect, though.

The key to happiness is focusing on perfecting OUR form. When we get caught up watching the other free throw shooters, we aren't even attempting any shots. Our job is to cheer for the good form we see in others and refine and perfect our own.

O'really
Idaho Falls, ID

Christopher. Relax. It was just a simple object lesson. No need to make it more complicated than it was.

Very brave dad and a terrific lesson.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Christopher B - ummmm, yep. We even break these standards when we go to the beach.... play some sports.... Modest is the symbol of a covenant we have taken, not the covenant itself. Therefor there are times, sometimes to make a point, sometimes in the exercise of out jobs, sometimes for recreational purposes, we dress appropriate to task.

Some of are even known to speed when late to work, not be fully honest when asked our opinions about how others look, and even keep some secrets from our kids about the holidays. Shocking.... I know.

Boy, talk about missing the point article.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Jeanie and ordinaryindivdiual,

Although I appreciate the reply, it doesn't seem like either of you answered the question.

Jeanie,

So it would be ok to take drugs/smoke to teach a lesson?

And by ok, I mean would the LDS church frown upon it and take action(loss of temple privileges)

ordinary,

Someone teaching another person to shoot free throws doesn't have to demonstrate it in the incorrect way in order for the person to learn the incorrect way.

I have done enough research on Mormonism and have enough Mormon acquaintances that I know part of the Mormons temple worthiness is whether they "dress appropriately" at all times. I would spell it out further but I think the Des News moderators would use it as an excuse to block my comment, if they wont already. I think you all know what I'm referring to.

I ask again,

Is the LDS church ok with people breaking rules to teach rules?

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

I guess the part I have a hard time with is when Mormons stress something so strongly and then have no issue not doing it.

If modesty is so important(and living in Utah I've heard Mormons talk about it countless times). And if Mormons have to be even more strict in "clothing requirements" after going through temple, this man makes it seem like those things really aren't that important.

So is modesty and doing what is promised in your temples very important or not really important?

And if its very important, why do people seem to support this guy not doing what is so important?

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Is it ok to start smoking/drinking to prove a point about smoking/drinking?"

Chris B:

My dad sure thought so.

When I was 16 he told me he knew I'd probably get invited by some of my friends to try alcohol. He said, "I worry about the situations you might be in when that happens, which could jeopardize your safety and that of your friends [he was referring to driving, etc]. So, I want you to promise me that when you feel the need to experiment with alcohol, you'll tell me. I'll go buy it for you--whatever you want, clear out the family, and stay here with you while you try it."

I promised. And that took all the perceived fun out out of it.

As one very prominent leader of the LDS Church once told me: "You've got to know the rules before you can feel inspired to break them."

arand
Huntsville, u

Good Job Dad, it doesn't matter if you are Mormon, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Atheist, etc. The point is, you made the point. Even though your daughter doesn't see it now, she will when she has children of her own. I'm sure she will thank you at some point in her life.

Again, congratulations. We need more dads like you.

Twin Sister
LINDON, UT

Christopher B. To try to answer your question directly about drinking and smoking to prove a point--not all of the requirements/rules are weighted equally. In my experience and in my opinion, as a temple attending Mormon, it would not be okay to take drugs or drink alcohol in order to prove a point--no. This would be considered a weighter matter. As far as the modesty issue goes--modesty is important and it is stressed. As someone else already expressed, it is permissible to dress in swimsuits, for instance, when at the beach or to wear athletic uniforms or attire in order to particpate in sports that may not be considered as modest as being fully clothed. My personal opinion about what this Dad did to teach his daughter a lesson was not violating any modesty issues. I believe that he did what he felt was the "more weighter" matter in teaching his daughter a lesson on modesty and that he did not violate any rules to any great degree. I hope this explanation helps and it is my opinion.

Really???
Kearns, UT

Where in this story does it mention this man and his family are LDS? Sure, there are clues that could lead you to believe that they are, but we could all be wrong. I say this because LDS people aren't the only people who get concerned about modest dress.

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