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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 11 2013 8:00 a.m. MDT

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TMR
Los Angeles, CA

How sad. The proliferation of guns and pornography - two symptoms of a troubled society.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

This indeed sends a powerful message. The 2nd amendment won and sensible Americans know more useless gun laws are not the answer to crime. Just like spoons and forks do not really cause obesity, guns do not cause crime in Colorado and especially in Chicago.

Nan BW
ELder, CO

Angela Giron was replaced by a notable margin in the recall. Colorado voters were upset by her stand on other issues besides gun control. She did not listen to her constituents, and in fact flaunted her lack of concern for them.

Shane333
Cedar Hills, UT

A righteous outcome. Two politicians who misused their legislative powers to infringe on a right enumerated in the Constitution have now been removed from office. There are so many more who need to be removed.

Gun ownership has been notably increasing accross the nation, and crime has notably decreased over the same time period, except primarily in those parts of the country where intrusive government has sought to disarm the citizens. "Gun Control" laws are irrational and counterproductive...unless one's intent is to subject the people.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

Elected officials need to listen to their constituents. This is America.

mjrre
PROVIDENCE, UT

TMR, the proliferation of guns has never been a signal of a troubled society. A proliferation of guns shows a safer society regardless of what the propaganda teaches. When this country was founded every household in the country owned a gun or multiple guns. Study your real (not revisionist) history and don't depend on modern media for information. You are sorely misinformed on that point.

Pornography, yes. That is a sign of a troubled society. And history is repeating itself. When morals decay, society decays.

But the increase of guns (of which that is also a falsehood, ownership is decreasing). The lack of guns shows a decay in society not the reverse.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Government by special interest groups.... Oh boy! We are in trouble.

Samson01
S. Jordan, UT

"Government by special interest groups.... Oh boy! We are in trouble."

So which side of this issue are you referring to?

"Reported contributions to Morse and Giron totaled about $3 million, dwarfing the amount raised by gun activists who petitioned for the recall, though some independent groups didn't have to report spending. Both the NRA and Bloomberg contributed more than $300,000 to the pro- and anti-recall campaigns."

TMR
Los Angeles, CA

To mjrre - no need for a lecture on history: if I relied on simple sound bites, believe me, I would be on your side. Although gun owners in Providence, Utah, may be responsible, you should understand that the majority of gun owners elsewhere are not the patriotic-colonial types that you envision. I am glad to see that you concede the connection between moral and societal decay. The proliferation of guns in modern society is a symptom and a cause of a culture of violence, which is immoral no matter how you slice it.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Esquire. Recall elections are to hold politicians accountable for their actions. The people of Colorado did just that, hardly "special interest". Quite the opposite in fact, its call democracy!

cjb
Bountiful, UT

The good news is they got booted out the not so good news is the margin was very slim.

Nan BW
ELder, CO

cjb
Giron's opponent had 56% of the vote.

Chase
Saint George, UT

@TMR

Ergo, before the advent of firearms and the proliferation thereof, society was not troubled? Before the advent of firearms and the proliferation thereof, a culture of violence did not exist?

Ergo, because a majority of gun owners are irresponsible (proof, by the way?), the 2nd amendment should be recalled because of the many, in spite of the few?

Not only is a history lesson in order, but a lesson in constitutional theory.

Sir/Ma'am, your arguments are not only misleading to those who don't know better, but they are illogical and incongruent. This is a text-book demonstration of logical fallacy.

If, as you point out, a culture is awry, then it is the culture that should be scrutinized, not objects. Everything else is just swinging at branches, as they say.

If a culture of violence is rising, the 2nd amendment is precisely what free peoples require to defend and protect themselves in pursuit of Life, Liberty, and Happiness. Surely you believe in the pursuit?

In your quest of solutions, you've become distracted with symptoms...

TMR
Los Angeles, CA

Dear Chase - sorry, you lost me somewhere in the "swinging branches."

Chase
Saint George, UT

@TMR

That was "swinging at branches". The phrase, Root and Branches, is an idiom.

If you want to eliminate a weed (problem), removing anything but the "root" is futile (ex. swinging at the branches).

Your argument is that there is a correlation between "troubled society"/"culture of violence" and the proliferation of guns. I'm pointing out that your logic is flawed. "Troubled societies" and "cultures of violence" are symptoms of degradated culture(s). Guns, in and of themselves, are not and cannot be the "root" of the problems of which you speak.

Very few people are willing to address the real causes (root) of the problems our society is being choked by:
- destruction of the traditional nuclear family/abdication of the parental duty to teach
- immorality in its endless forms
- greed/pride
- disintegration of ethics
- decreased belief of and obedience to God

The world seems more interested in freedom (ie. the erroneous belief that one has the right to act and be free from the consequences of those actions).

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

Shameful and pathetic. I love the comments about how this was "righteous" and that the lack of guns indicates decay in society. If that is the case, my parents and all of us (recommend carrying, RM Mormons) are unrighteous. None of us own any guns. I thought lack of love for one's neighbor was the real sign of decay.

Let's be honest, people, the NRA is a well-financed LOBBY group in the beltway that makes its millions off of scared people like many who have commented here. How many robocalls and fundraising letters did you all get in the weeks following Newtown last year? I lost count...

one old man
Ogden, UT

Tragic.

Second Amendment insanity is based on fear that is being spread by insane conservative fearmongers and the good ol' NRA.

Tragic.

Is common sense dead?

Sneaky Jimmy
Bay Area, CA

I happen to believe in freedom and equality for all. The 2nd amendment is a strong defense against totalitarianism. Many of you good people need to think about what happens when the barbarians (govt. included) are the only ones with arms.

FelisConcolor
North Salt Lake, UT

@Shane333

+87 to everything you said.

Politicians who vote for gun control will find themselves between Arock and a hard place. I personally can't think of a more Aimless movement than the gun control lobby. Some of them seem...familiar.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Shane333
"Gun ownership has been notably increasing accross the nation"

The percentage of households with guns has been declining the past couple decades.

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