America was awash in health cost horror stories before the ACA (ignored here)
and will continue to be so. We have to, no alternative, get rid of insurance and
hospital companies and make health care and health facilities a part of what we
do for one another as a civil society. Health care should be number one in the
list of non negotiables we provide for one another. It doesn't matter if
it's specifically mentioned in the constitution, if we stick to that list
we're going to end up as Somalia. We can do better.
Well, Mz Pelosi, you passed it, and we are now seeing what's in it, and we
don't like it. now what are our options? If you worked in the private
sector, you would have been fired.
Its funny how politicians want to run schools like a business, but then they
won't use the same ideas to run the country.Guess what? If
there's not enough money, and the loan is too expensive...you don't do
it.But our fearless leader(s) didn't care, they did it anyway.And the models they presented as examples of how it can succeed?
Germany, where taxes are close to 50% and doctors have gone on strike, and
regularly close their doors for several weeks every fiscal quarter as the money
runs out, and Canada; where they are legalizing private medicine again, as the
socialized system can't keep up.The stupidity is astounding.
metamorcoug,don't confuse libs with actual facts. It destroys their
Wonder: Yes, I would rather not have insurance.I am convinced that
most Americans would also choose to forego health insurance if they knew
realized how much they are shelling out for the pittance they receive.My family has been uninsured for 14 years. Based on premium estimates I
received in 2000 and 2007 for a policy with a $5000 deductible, our family would
have shelled out $200,000 for insurance. We would have received benefits in
only 3 of those 14 years for a total of about $8000. Does this make financial
sense to anyone?
To "spring street" what do you mean "Congress refuses to fund"
the ACA? They haven't even come up with a budget for next year for the
Federal Government. Right now they have not even decided if they will set a
Wow, it's as if Phranc and spring street didn't read the entire
article in their rush to blame:"If the administration saw
problems coming, Obama's budget did not reflect it. The president did not
request any new funds for PCIP.The No. 2 House Republican did make
an attempt to pump more money in, but it was fraught with politics. Majority
Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia proposed to divert funds from elsewhere in the
health care law, unacceptable to Democrats. His idea also failed to get
Republican support."The "defund or not defund Obamacare"
debate is part of a continuing resolution to keep the government running after
September 30. It hasn't been voted on yet, so it's not correct to say
that Congress has refused to fund it.
Spring street, phranc,The funding for her program was capped at $5B
– by the DEM congress that foisted this monstrosity on us in the first
place. Trying to blame the repub congress that is LISTENING to their
constituents who say they don’t want it is partisanship at its finest.
Sorry CharlieNot quite. All the blame goes to Obama and the
Democrats who rammed this through. This is one time no Republican can be blamed
@Sorry Charlie!:* who shoved it down our throats?* whose at
the head of the country?* if a teacher is responsible for student test
scores, than a president is for the economy.* change the word all, to
much* economic disaster didn't just happen. It's was planned.
Politicians gain power when a society is dependent on them.* do you really
think our politicians care about our health, and education? If so.--why would a
president spend hundreds of millions of our dollars for vacations. Does that
show care? Where is the evidence they care?* look at what they DO, and
not what they say!---How many people want billions of our dollars going to
Egypt. How many wants to be dependent on the middle east for oil, when we
don't have to be?* see what's there, and forget the rhetoric.
The evidence is super clear.
@worfso you point out you are going to lay all the blame at
Obama's feet then do, is that the game you are playing?
Here comes the blaming game.May our Obama voting friends, get what
they voted for. I'm all smiles.
@SamsomSo congress did not pass the law and did fund it? How exactly
was I wrong?
Re:PhrancYou didn't get it straight...try again. This time
attribute the correct players to your very broad characterization.
Exactly, silo. People seem to think it is better for others to have no
insurance and go bankrupt or die from chronic illnesses than to try to fix it
with the Heritage Foundation-inspired, Romneycare-like ACA. When it was a
Republican idea it was marvelous. When it was enacted by a Democratic majority
Congress and signed by President Obama, suddenly it became the cause of the end
of times. If there's a problem, try to fix it. Stop insisting that the
status quo was great. It might have been for you and for me, but there were
lots of people who did not have access to affordable health care under the
status quo, and I am glad there were some people who actually made an effort to
What an incredibly misleading title for this article. This woman's access
to any medical coverage, and her avoidance of financial ruin were the result of
PPACA, yet the title implies that the program somehow 'faltered'?1. She had breast cancer, then later contracted colorectal cancer.2. She was uninsurable by any other means, as she had an expensive pre
existing condition and her husband was self employed, thus, no coverage under an
employer's group plan.3. PPACA, through its "Pre-Existing
Condition Insurance Plan" program provided her coverage at
'normal' medical insurance prices. (would not have happened prior to
PPACA)4. When her state failed to fund the PCIP coverage she was
receiving, the federal government was forced to pick up her coverage (ie, she
had to change providers, but was still able to get medical coverage)5.
Changing providers meant that she was on new coverage (federal, not state), and
that her annual out of pocket and copay all reset to zero under the new
provider.Bottom line, without PPACA, she was uninsurable, and faced
the entire cost of cancer treatment out of pocket. With PPACA, she has
coverage, yet complains of the deductible costs resetting when providers
So let me get this straight congress passed the affordable care act then refused
to fund it but this is all Obama's fault?
@Wonder:I think the point that AZ Rocks was trying to make was that
putting the Gov't in charge was a recipe for disaster since they appear to
have a poor record with health care for Veterans. They also have a poor record
for Native Americans health care. The PPACA does not reduce the actual cost of
health care, but simply puts more people on health insurance rolls while still
ignoring approx. 15 million people as it was voted on. With rising health care
costs and increasing premiums as insurers try to prepare for an onslaught of
high costs from adding millions of people in poor health I expect to see more
employers drop actual policies and either give employees a small amount to
purchase their own coverage or just drop the family coverage and only cover the
actual employee. This will place millions more back into the uninsured pool.
It's like enjoying a meal at the finest restaurant, until the bill arrives.
Mr. Obama's objective was universal and affordable health care. That's
reasonable, even noble as Mitt Romney first proposed. The president went about
it in the wrong manner as a purely Democratic political initiative and now he
wants bipartisan help in solving the unanswered problems. My 5 year old learned
that when he wants no help and "I'll do it myself," he usually
comes back to say he needs dad's help. Mr. Obama has yet to learn the art
R"aw political divisions over health care have clouded chances of a
fix....." like congress's refusal to fund the ACA?
How can any sane individual with even a limited education consider Obamacare
worthy of his/her health care needs? Obamacare is mostly supported by those who
can easily afford health care and want to throw a few bones to the poor,
downtrodden, and lazy. This will go down as the greatest mistake made in the
history of America and, like the titanic, will sink us all if it isn't
stopped. Those are supported it should hang their heads in shame for naively
believing that government can solve all the problems of humanity with the stroke
of a pen. How absurd, patronizing, and weak!
Not sure what the complaints in this article come as a surprise....It was all
predicted long before obamacare was placed into law. Nothing here to control
costs, and really make it more affordable. BTW, why is anyone complaining, they
have insurance coverage. Who cares how limited and expensive it is? That was the
big selling point of obamacare all along, more insurance coverage for everyone!
@Arizona Rocks -- So your brother would rather have no health care? Or all the
people who don't currently have insurance -- you think they'd rather
have no health care? Cause a guy injured in Vietnam who required ongoing
treatment over the years would probably have had a hard time buying a health
insurance policy due to pre-existing conditions. How about we try to fix the
things that are wrong with Obamacare instead of just scrapping it and going back
to the "good old days" of people without health care and million dollars
limits, etc. Instead of obstruction, how about cooperation? Wouldn't that
Government at it's finest. My brother has been dealing with problems with
the VA for his Viet Nam war related health issues for years. When he heard
about Obamacare he said Americans were now going to be dealing with the same
kind of nightmare he's gone through.
As our country gets deeper and more involved with Obamacare, more and more of
these types of ugly stories will be surfacing. There are still far too many
unanswered issues and questions regarding this law... this forced upon us
program.This is what happens whenever a major law is passed without
proper time for understanding and debate. Nancy Pelosi will forever be
remembered for her infamous and ludicrous statement: That's why we have to
pass it, to find out what's in it."This is exactly why we
shouldn't pass anything UNTIL we find out what's in it, and fix the
parts that need fixing... even if that happens to mean scrapping the entire
proposal and starting new... if need be. Hopefully, a major lesson will be
learned for this ongoing fiasco.