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Published: Monday, Sept. 9 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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micawber
Centerville, UT

And yet I don't feel controlled by the federal government. And I don't feel sad.

ECR
Burke, VA

Mr. Bender - Thank you for expressing your opinion. Now can you provide just a small bit of evidence to support your theory? I suppose if you had some evidence you would have included that in your letter. But we just got your opinion, which you are welcome to express anytime, thanks to a government that protects that right.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Its all about control. If you don't believe the government controls you, just don't pay your taxes (if you are not one of the 47%) and you will learn who controls you!

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

No, it has not become apparent. The only thing apparent is how easy it is to put a few sentences together to say bad things about government, and get them published.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Hutterite. As opposed to Cuba, China or N. Korea you mean? The only freedom left in America is that of dissent and you want that to go away too? And you NEVER criticized the government when GWB was in the White House, did you? Liberals are only tolerant of other liberals. Furthermore, liberals demand EVERYONE to kiss the ring of other liberals in the White HOUSE or be silenced, sort of like N. Korea, China or Cuba, liberal paradises all.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

My only reation?
...roll my eyes, and shake my head...[hahaha, LOL, and ROTFL]

Eli Tesecular PhD
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. Bender,
Yes, it is our job to control your choices in life. But, rather than putting a negative spin on it, try thinking of it as compassionate concern for your well-being. Someone has to take care of you; it might as well be us enlightened liberals. Try not worrying so much about "freedom" and other antiquated notions of government limits. Relax, come with us. You too will grow to love the comforting embrace of the State.

dave
Park City, UT

How ironic. Utah is the poster child for control. Let's fix our house before we go after bigger things.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

ECR: How about this as "evidence" - a set of tax code regulations that makes the encyclopedia set my parents bought years ago, look small.

The US Constitution fits in your shirt pocket. Today, nearly every bill that goes through Congress needs an army of staffers just to read it. Those who vote on the stuff, don't even know what is in it. Obamacare was something like 2000 pages long and didn't include half the "regulations" that would come later.

If that isn't evidence of "control", I don't know what is.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

The exact opposite is true. Conservatives cannot stand a person with an open mind. Conservatives cannot believe the their narrow world view isn't the only way to look at things.
Liberals are the group that carries society forward.
When it's Progressives vs regressives, I'll take progressives every time.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . we just got your opinion, which you are welcome to express anytime, thanks to a government that protects that right."

Yeah, a government that "protects that right" by using the IRS to control and stifle dissenting organizations, uses the Department of Labor to punish religious dissent among businesses, uses the NSA to track dissent, uses the EPA to reward compliant cronies, while penalizing and criminalizing dissenting practices, uses its controlled media arm to label dissent as racism or craziness, uses the military chain of command to punish constitutionally protected dissent on social issues within it ranks, attempts to use police agencies to collect the tools of dissent [though it's not going so well for them in Colorado, at present], and uses propaganda blitzes, funded by taxpayers' own dollars, in vain attempts to respond to reasoned, widely-held dissenting views.

With that kind of protection, who needs attackers?

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Mountanman – “If you don't believe the government controls you, just don't pay your taxes… and you will learn who controls you!”

Is that the connection – taxes = Orwell’s dystopia?

If so, should we all be flocking to tax-free countries to live the Utopian dream? I hear if you book a flight to Mogadishu far enough in advance they include a free bullet proof vest.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

In order for a government to accomplish its primary mission of protecting the citizens, it must be able to exercise control over the actions of those citizens.
The leaders we elect to lead us exercise control over us by controlling what we do and try to control what we think.

There is no such thing as a free society. Any time you have a group of human beings brought together for some common purpose there has to be rules and a means of enforcing those rules.

The desire to control people is only partially due to the needs of government. The majority of leaders are businessmen who would like to control the minds and actions of people to buy their products. It is this latter motive that causes most of the problems of society.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Paranoia is alive and well in Utah.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

RE: Dave Park City: Indeed. Utah is the locus of thought control.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

OK, let's get rid of EPA, public schools, Medicare, and all that "controlling stuff." Then we can choke on our own pollution, create a permanent underclass, and bankrupt ourselves paying for mom's heart problems. The society conservatives envision would be a true nightmare.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Irony Guy - part of the irony is that almost all the things cited in this letter and other conservative rants are things that were really created by conservatives themselves. They just can't recognize it because they have allowed themselves to become submissive to conservative thought control.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

This complaint by Mister Bender, and some of the comments posted are surreal. They complain about a lack of freedom. In fact one poster lists China, Cuba, and North Korea, seemingly implying that they are the few countries with less freedom? But frankly I don't know what his point is. The same poster says, "The only freedom left in America is that of dissent . . ." That's the ONLY freedom left in this country? Like I said absolutely surreal. Never mind the fact that the freedom to dissent is absolutely huge. But to think that that is the only freedom left?

And you have people stating that having to pay taxes indicates a lack of freedom. These people think we should have no laws in place? That the mere exsistance of laws (or laws they disagree with?) indicate we are a country with no freedom left?

I mean, this is really strange thinking. Does having to drive on the right side of the road mean you have lost freedom? Sure. The freedom of being able to drive on the left side.

But so what? It is how we are able to have relatively smoth traffic flow.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

If "Control" of what one does, eats, drinks, sleeps, lives with, worships, ect. is the litmus test for being "Liberal",
then
Utah has got to be the most "Liberal" state in the Union!

And for the record -- try looking up the definition of "Liberal" in a dictionary.
It's better English than what the college drop outs on the radio are telling.

ECR
Burke, VA

JoeCap2 - Thanks for your attempts to give examples. But nothing you pointed to controls "what we think and what we do" as Mr. Bender suggested. Oh, if you're talking about making a choice between paying your taxes or not, then the IRS tax code would have some relevence to this argument. But then how would our essential government functions operate if you didn't pay your taxes. And just a note - the so-called "47%" that Mr. Bender refers to actually pay taxes, just not income taxes and in many cases their taxes take a higher percentage of their income than the poor zillionaires who pay lower rates on their income thanks to the votes they have bought in Congress.

And if you think you can write a comprehensive healthcare bill on paper that "fits in your shirt pocket" then you must be advising Herman Caine. If any of us think our government is limiting the things we think and do then we are not taking advantage of all the freedomes that we have that were paid for by the blood of others.

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