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Tipping point? Texas, USC fall out of AP rankings

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  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    Texas was obviously overrated.

    The Utes and the Aggies got some votes in the Coaches Poll.

    Go Utes!

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    AP Poll
    #29 Texas 26 points
    #32 BYU 14 points
    unranked Utah 0 points
    unranked USU 0 points

    Coaches Poll
    #29 Texas 38 points
    #32 BYU 18 points
    T-#43 Utah 2 points
    T-#43 USU 2 points

    Sagarin
    #24 Texas (#94 SOS)
    #30 BYU (#32 SOS)
    #41 USU (#28 SOS)
    #45 Utah (#138 SOS)

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    ekute

    LOL at the spin!

  • bigv56 Cottonwood, CA
    Sept. 8, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    Apparently so was weber state ute boy.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    Yes phantomblade, byu is overrated too.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 8, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    2013 is beginning eerily similar to 1988, with a disappointing opening road loss at Wyoming 14-23, followed by a beat down of Texas 47-6 in Provo.

    BYU finished the season beating Colorado in the Freedom Bowl in Ty Detmer's first start.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    ekute "Texas was obviously overrated."

    I agree. A solid program doesn't do this in week 2:
    "Texas defensive coordinator Manny Diaz was fired on Sunday after a 40-21 loss Saturday night to BYU, the school confirmed."

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    Phantomblade -thank you for helping us keep it in perspective. It's always nice to know how the schools in the state are perceived outside of our area.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    ekute

    The Utes win a couple of home games against the 138th toughest schedule in the country (so far) and suddenly they think they're world beaters.

    Guaranteed, Texas will finish the season ranked higher than most of the PAC teams on Utah's schedule.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    "Texas was obviously overrated." so says ekute.

    I heard that same cheer---"over-rated" chanted by USU students after BYU called off the dogs one year in Logan during the 4th quarter after USU scored a touchdown. They forgot the score after 3 quarters was 34 - 0 for BYU.

    I knew there would be Ute partisans saying that Texas was overrated. Wouldn't it be funny to find out they weren't?

    And as long as we're pointing fingers at each other, how about the really classy run-it-up score of 70 - 7 against Weber State? We all know from Utah's on-side kick when leading Wyoming by several touchdowns and their score from yesterday that any class in Utah's football program is non-existent. But it's the "U"----so what would one expect? Nothing less.....

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 3:49 p.m.

    I met a Texas fan coming down the stairs at half-time with BYU leading 27-14; he smiled at me and said "didn't see that coming". I was tempted to mention that he obviously wasn't in Cougar stadium in 1988, but decided it was better not to add to his obvious pain.

    Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see both BYU and Texas ranked in the final polls.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 8, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    National Exposure

    Despite a nearly two-hour weather delay, 1.142 million people watched BYU demolish Texas on ESPN2 last night.

    Independence can work; BYU just needs to win.

    A win over Utah in a couple of weeks will propel BYU back into the Top 25, especially if the Utes don't lay an egg and lose to a much-weaker-than-expected Oregon State.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    Nice to see the "fans" come out of hiding and go right back to making predictions and guarantees. I expect a lot of that for the next 2 weeks.

  • Tom in MS Madison, MS
    Sept. 8, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    Too smart for you, you must not have the PAC 12 network. I was at the game, and the Utes didn't run it up. The 1s and 2s. Played the FIRST half, and the 2s 3s and 4s played the second half and scored 21. Run it up? Please...

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    I make it a point before and after the games to talk to visiting fans. I usually get very positive interactions.

    I talked with about 12 different Texas fans after the game last night. They were all very grateful for the kindness, hospitality and graciousness of the BYU fans. They liked Provo and Salt Lake and many marveled at the rainstorm we had before the game.

    They all felt embarassed by their teams tackling and had high praise for the Cougars aggressive defense. Several said they thought their defense was suspect and that the run game BYU had surprised them.
    They individually all wished the Y success in the rest of their season. I wished them all a safe journey home and invited them to come back anytime. All said they would love to.

    It would be nice to have similar conversations with fans after the game in two weeks.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    Any team that get handled by the team that lost to Virginia, is not a top 25 team.

    Did you see what a fast and hard athletes did to Virginia?

    Oregon 59
    Virginia 10

    Lol!

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    Sorry Ute fans, you can't have it both ways: Before the game crowing and bragging about how BYU is going to get trashed by Texas #15 and how awful BYU is and then, after the game talk about how overrated Texas is.

    Fact is NO ONE of note figured on what happened. Gordo Monson trashed BYU's offense before the game and then meekly acknowledged the offense did well. No duh.

    It all comes down to credibility akin to the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.

    That said, a number of very classy Ute fans congratulated BYU in Comments on other stories and that kind of fan is to be respected and acknowledged.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 6:29 p.m.

    I watched the Utah-Weber State game from whistle to whistle. There was NO running up the score. Weber State was inept. Wilson was replaced at half and many second, third and fourth stringers played the entire second half. I had problems with what Whittingham did with Wyoming but this was not the case here. If Utah kept playing its starters they might have scored a 100 points, that's how bad Weber played.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 6:36 p.m.

    I don't see Texas being that good. They just fired their DC and obviously their program is in disarray.

    I think Mack Brown has had a solid coaching career but is a bit long in the tooth and has let things in his program slip. I think losing Musgrave to Florida was a huge loss to their program. I see Mack Brown as being a bit like Auburn's Gene Chizik who lucked into a remarkable athlete at quarterback and with good coordinators won a national championship. Both the quarterbacks and top coordinators left and their programs have slipped big time. Brown is a bit smarter than Chizik so it hasn't quite has been as problematic for Texas, plus he doesn't have Alabama in his state.

    Bottom line I see Texas going 8-5 or 7-6. They will likely get crushed by Oklahoma and winning games in their league will be tough, especially if Ash misses games.

    I give BYU credit for having a good game plan and the play of Hill was excellent, especially running the ball. But it should be obvious to all that Texas isn't the Texas of Darrell Royal or anything close.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 7:27 p.m.

    Byu can not continue to win with a quarterback that completes a quarter of his passes and is essentially Riley Nelson. Byu's opponents will start to adjust and stop the quarterback run game.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 7:38 p.m.

    It will be interesting to see if coach Whit. will eat his words for criticizing "Up-tempo" offenses. You can bet it got back to Anae. Lots of the same Ute Trolls coming back to to these threads after regrouping for the last 24 hours ...you know who you are... LOL

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 7:55 p.m.

    Logic:
    Unranked Miami Beats #12 Florida by 5 points - Miami receives #15/#18 ranking

    Unranked BYU beats #15 Texas by 19, with record rushing - receives no ranking.

    I AM NOT suggesting BYU should be ranked. I am pointing out the incongruent logic of poll voting.

    My point: There should be no rankings for the first 4-6 weeks. Voters are BCS homers, to the max. I watched Miami and they were not #15/#18 good.

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 8:08 p.m.

    The logic of a UTE fan (you know who you are):

    We belong to the PAC-10 annex. Therefore, we will receive greater exposure and thus better recruits. We are a superior program, superior speed, superior talent.

    Pre game: BYU will lose to Texas Superior speed, superior athletes, superior program.

    Post game: byu is still not good, Texas was overrated.

    So...

    Like RockOn says, you can't have it both ways. How do you explain a "superior" program, recruits, 'starred players', and coaching losing to little old BYU?

    "Texas was overrated = Ute fans realizing they may have counted their eggs (wins) before they hatched. A little worried are we, ute fans? Ute fans are so preoccupied with "inferior" BYU because they can't deal with the reality that they have not been competitive in the PAC-10 annex, and there is not much indication that will change.

    Ute hope: USC and OSU are down (I.e. utah's program is not more competitive, therefore they must rely upon underperforming conference members for hope.)

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 8, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    @toosmartforus

    "...And as long as we're pointing fingers at each other, how about the really classy run-it-up score of 70 - 7 against Weber State? We all know from Utah's on-side kick when leading Wyoming by several touchdowns and their score from yesterday that any class in Utah's football program is non-existent. But it's the "U"----so what would one expect? Nothing less.....".

    1980 BYU 83 UTEP 7

    One game?

    Not on your life.

    A little research will show you more examples...

    Your welcome.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Shaun

    Texas's defense was selling out to stop the pass, so Travis had very little time to set up to pass; the flip side is, BYU rushed for a school record 550 yards, which coincidentally, is the most rushing yardage EVER given up by Texas.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    WHAT NOW?

    LaVell's teams of the 80's were constantly accused of running up the score; that's what happens when you have a prolific offense playing weak defenses.

    Frankly, I'd much rather be accused of running up the score while finishing with double-digit win seasons and Top 25 rankings every year, than to be finishing with mediocre seasons and no Top 25 finishes.

    I particularly liked these lopsided scores:

    27-0 - most lopsided shutout in the last half century
    56-6 - largest margin of victory in the series
    56-28
    55-7
    70-31 - most points scored by one team in the series

  • podunk utah DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 9, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Texas is a bad team, period. I am a UT grad and the sooner Mack goes, the better. they need new blood, plenty of coaches could get the Horns rolling again.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Chase- I agree with no rankings until at least week 4. Preseason rankings give the inside track to a NC to the top 4 teams whether they are really that good or not. Give everyone the chance to show their stuff the first couple of weeks, then rank accordingly. Until we have a true playoff system ( the one that will come into use soon, is a joke) there should be no rankings used until teams have showed their strengths/weaknesses on the field. Too many times we see teams ranked high, lose a game early, then because of their high ranking, they eke their way back into the top while other teams who had lower preseason rankings, have better W-L records yet can't crack the top. College football needs a true playoff system. At least 8 teams, but I would like to see it at 16.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    Way to go utes. Ranked 43rd in the coaches poll with a whopping two votes. I guess when you are not a national brand like BYU you don't get the respect. BYU got many more votes that U, by far.
    The WSU game did nothing for you in the public eye. Maybe when u can become a national brand and play on national TV each week we will talk.

  • WisCoug MOUNT HOREB, WI
    Sept. 9, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    @ekute

    "I watched the Utah-Weber State game from whistle to whistle. There was NO running up the score. Weber State was inept."

    What about the last TD of the first half? I confess I didn't watch any of the game, but I think this one might qualify...

    "Weber State assistants cared about the way they were treated at Rice-Eccles Stadium. They weren't too happy about Utah tacking on a touchdown late in the first half to extend its lead to 49-0. As they passed the Utah assistants on their way to the elevator they expressed their feelings about the Utes' two-minute offense to end the half, and afterwards head coach Jody Sears talked about it."

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 9, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    @anythingbutthetruthmachine

    Complaining about UTAH running up the score when you know BYU has a history of doing the same thing.

    Calling UTAH people out for what your team does as well, is commonly referred to as being a HYPOCRITE.

    But you're a BYU fan, so that's to be expected.

    My favorite scores over the last 10 years...

    UTAH 52 BYU 21
    UTAH 48 BYU 24
    UTAH 54 BYU 10

    Favorite stats over the last 10 years...

    UTAH 7 wins
    BYU 7 losses

    So, how does a legacy team, with an ESPN contract, with an annual top 25 ranking, with an annual shot, at the National Championship, with all the accumulated awards as well as the 60th largest FB stadium in America lose consistently to UTAH?

    Get back to us when BYU can put-up, at least, three 24 to 44 point whippings, on the UTES, over the next 10 years, so that fans will at least have an equal basis for comparison.

    Waiting.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 10, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    WHAT NOW?

    How does a supposedly "big boy" program only manage to finish in the AP Top 25 FIVE times in their entire history, none before 1994.

    Call us when you get to double digits.

    At your current rate of one AP Top 25 finish every 15.4 years, it'll take the Utes another 77 years just to match the TEN AP Top 25 finishes BYU had already achieved THREE years BEFORE Utah was ranked for the first time.

    Get back to us in 2090 and let us know how it's going.

    Waiting...