I don't see the outrage behind most of these standardized tests. Seldom are
they the only determining factor in whether a student achieves success, they
simply determine where a school is failing the students. The
Statewide CRTs determine if a child has met the basic requirements of that grade
level. Something all parents would like to know. A score of 3 or 4 out of 4
tells the district whether the child passed. Some schools get 99-100% of their
students passing the CRTfor certain core subjects in this state. That's
impressive. It demonstrates that the school accounts for EVERY child in their
school and is interested in seeing them ALL pass these basic core competencies.
A standardized test is excellent at identifying basic understanding.
IMO, It is not a good tool if you're interested in determining who's
the "smartest" kid in the class, or who has learned the most, or who saw
the most improvement. But for determining if a school is attending to the
basics, it's a fine tool and should be used as such.
Good trend. No testing for driver's license. No yearly evaluation at work.
No interviews or testing to hire people. No testing for drugs at work. It might
traumatize our citizens. No more stress for the students or employees. Good
Wow: The propaganda has been swallowed by some of you folks big time.The Utah Core standards are a way to encourage consistency in the curriculum.
They ensure only that students are getting the opportunity to learn and get a
solid foundation. They are not a plot to wrest control from teachers.
Standardized testing tells us if they are learning. It does not subvert
teachers.I agree with you that using them to evaluate teachers is
wrong, but the reason is that it ignores all of the other factors that influence
achievement, not because there is anything wrong with knowing how well they are
Worf,Truth is, of course, not being paranoid.When you
say "A third of our college graduates are from other countries" what do
you mean?Per the Open Doors report, in the 2011/2012 school year
just 3.7% of enrolled US college students were international students. It would
seem nearly impossible that they represent a third of our graduates. Please
clarify.Are you saying you believe our educational system is
responsible for folks being on welfare? Generally, I have found those on
welfare lacking in education (there are exceptions).My kids went
through public school and have been reasonably well educated. Most of the Utah
and Idaho missionaries I meet are similarly educated and seem to have been
overall benefited from their public school systems.
Often a disease spreads very slowly, and by the time it's noticed, much
damage has been done.Our education system has transformed slowly,
and much damage has been done. Our people are on welfare, addicted to
government, and can't feed itself. A third of our college graduates are
from other countries. ETC!Find a dictionary, and define socialism.
Compare, and contrast to our school system with an open mind.Truth
is not being paranoid.
So the legislature is in charge. Define legislature.This is
socialism, and/or communism. Unless the dictionary is wrong. Americans are
blind.Paranoid or truthful? Who are the real parents?
ContinuedI think it's wrong to use these tests to determine a
student's grade. Some people perform poorly on these kinds of tests but
well in class work. Also, I don't think it's right to
"punish" the school and the teachers for the fact than less than 95% of
the students take the tests. When I was going to elementary school these
assessments were used to see what our reading/math/language arts levels were.
We were not taught "to the test". We didn't study for the test in
class, etc. We did take a "practice" test so that we knew how to take
timed tests, but that was it.I have a son with Down syndrome. One
of the reasons I homeschool him, is the fact that the elementary school (the
boundary school) did not want him integrated into kindergarten because he would
lower their test scores and thus lower the performance of the school. It was
the teachers who didn't want him, but the principal was sitting right there
and didn't refute their statements. It was obvious that their priorities
at that school was the "good grade" not the children's academics.
My main issues with the end of year testing is the fact that the legislature
passed t20 bills the last session stating the following:SB 175:
"providing that scores on the tests and assessments required under
Subsection (2)(a) and Subsection (3) shall be considering a student's
academic grade for the appropriate course and whether a student shall advance to
the next grade level."SB 271: "A school shall receive an F
if: student participation in a statewide assessment is fewer than 95%"SB 175 passed unanimously (by those legislators voting); SB 217 passed
with a majority vote and they were signed into law by the governor.
"Standardized testing is a valuable tool -- IF used properly".Great! Give some examples, and evidence. How is it better than the good ole
report card system?
Wow! Right wing paranoia is running full throttle here this morning. It's
especially amusing because it's obvious that those commenting have
absolutely no idea what they are ranting about.Standardized testing
is a valuable tool -- IF used properly. The problem is that since
the Cheney administration slapped us with No Child Left because that's the
opposite of right, (Gotta turn all those little varmints into proper
right-wingers and we can't have any liberal kids on the left, can we?)
testing has simply gone so far out of control that it has become a ridiculous
RBB and others who oppose 'opt-out'. If testing is what you want as a
means of testing what kids know (which I don't disagree with), then why
can't it be done at the state and local level, where liberty can best be
addressed and retained? If local school districts only produce a worthless
track record, then let them deal with the consequences. Isn't that what
choice and liberty are all about? How is it that a bureaucrat in Washington
D.C. has more knowledge and proximity to 'educational reform' than
parents and teachers in a local school district? If you can explain how that is
possible, I'm all aboard! To say that some far flung bureaucrat knows more
than a parent about what is important is an insult to the dignity and worth of
every parent in this country. Look at the track record of our national
government the past 50 years. In almost every measure, our scores have gone
down! How does anyone justify the federal government assuming more power and
control over a system that by their own records and numbers spell
'failed'? Please explain without insulting my common sense!
Many parents oppose the dumbed-down politically-correct Common Core curriculum.
The Common Core ignores the Classics and tries to inculcate a less efficient
method for arithmetic. Utah school districts should opt out of Common Core, as
districts in several states have done with no financial penalty.
Why standardized testing is socialism:* a tool used for putting a
central authority in control of your children, teachers, and administrators.* takes curriculum, and strategies out of the hands of teachers. They
decide what will be taught.* places control of funding, and rules,
into the hands of bureaucrats.Our schools are under a system in
which the government owns the means of education. The state plans and controls
education with the usage of standardized testing.The same
bureaucrats who created a national debt equal to $560,000 for every second in a
Paranoia runs deep.Into your life it will creep.
A standard lets one know where they are relative to a benchmark. It is critical
to assessing where to focus effort to correct deficiencies. Yes, there is some
stress, but children protected from the realities of life will only face greater
These standardized tests may or may not provide a snapshot at that moment of
what that students know compared to a standard. The only way to even get a
snapshot in time is if the student makes their best effort on the test. Because
by state law teachers cannot hold the students accountable for the score they
receive on these tests, many and I repeat many students simply fill in the
bubble sheet or click the choices on the computer as fast as they can so that
they can finish. Are these test scores an accurate reflection of the knowledge
of some of our students, absolutely. Are they an accurate reflection of all
students or the teaching taking place in class absolutely not. I
will guarantee you that if each student who passed at say a 75% level received a
$100.00 cash, the average score in any school especially the low achieving
schools would go up 10% if you did nothing else. If we want these tests to be
used as a measurement, then we need to incentivize ALL students either
positively (better) or negatively to take the test seriously.
Mainly Me,All testing is measuring a child's knowledge against
an approved standard. Is it Socialism if a school does it? The school
district? The county? The state?At what level does testing becomes
Socialism?On another note. How are the citizens of one district or
state to know how their children's educational progress compares to those
of another district or state?Further, how do we as a nation know how
we stand against other nations? Is our international competitiveness something
we should be concerned about?
Standardized tests are the opposite of socialism. Rather than collectivism,
they let each student know where he or she stands. How well a sudent does in
class tells you very little. One teacher may hand out A's while another
requies much more work for a B. There are kids who have 4.0 gpas who can
bearly red and know very little.The whole point of standardized
tests is to give teachers, parents and students an idea of how well they are
doing. Unfortunately, there are many people out there who cannot handle
accountability. I want my children to take tests that show their strengths and
weaknesses. I then help.them with areas that need help. Other parents would
rather stick their heads in the sand and assume their children are getting a
Standardized testing and common core: Socialism at work.