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  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 7, 2013 1:06 a.m.

    If the rest of the world does not want to interfere in Syria’s civil war Why is Obama so eager to get the United States involved?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 6, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    I wonder if the Nobel committee wants to take back their Peace Prize after all the wars Obama has gotten America involved in.

    I guess that's what you get when you give it to somebody based on their CAMPAIGN promises instead of what they've actually DONE.

    I don't know if they would be as quick to give it to him if they were voting today.

    Obama is a great speaker and did a great sale job, he even convinced the international community (during the campaign). But once in office and faced with REAL decisions... he's not all that different from the Evil Bush he replaced.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 6, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    The author and Mountainman have provided the same level of solutions this crowd has done for 5 years now... absolutely nothing other then pointing fingers, claiming victimhood, and offering up no solutions. Not a one.

    Ok.... Obama, all Democrats, and anyone who has ever thought a liberal thought are complete idiots. With that out of the way....

    What is your solution. Time to start actually doing something.... rather than being just another member of the Jerry Springer generation that lives to mock, but does nothing productive. Please share... everyone else is wrong, so please.... share the right answer.

    Put forward a single solution that moves us closer to a solution, on anything.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Sept. 6, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    The hypocrisy from the right never ceases to amaze me.

    Go into Iraq under Bush without the use or evidence on Chemical WMDs = GOOD.
    Go into Syria under Romney without the use of Chemical WMDs = GOOD.
    Go into Syria under Obama AFTER the use of known Chemical WMDs = BAD.

    Please - make up your minds, be firm and consist, hold your position, and show an ounce of integrity!

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Sept. 6, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    Lagomorph

    Salt Lake City, UT

    @Kent C. DeF: Thanks for the kind words. I suppose I can attribute one of my whopping four "Likes" so far to you. :)
    8:46 a.m. Sept. 6, 2013

    ====

    Ah, come now Lagomorph --
    Don't be so hard on yourself.

    You've got 3 times as many "Likes" as Mike Richards has,
    and he's preaching to his own choir --
    commenting in the most conservative newspaper in the most conservatives state in the republican part of the nation.
    AND
    He's had an entire day ahead of you in posting.

    THAT's saying something!

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    @Kent C. DeF: Thanks for the kind words. I suppose I can attribute one of my whopping four "Likes" so far to you. :)

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 6, 2013 6:56 a.m.

    2 bits

    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    ======

    Nice list 2 bits --

    But he NEVER attacked America, our families or our freedoms.
    Neither did Assad.

    As far as I'm concerned --
    my God, my scriptures and my prophets have clearly said that is no justification for war.

    BTW - 2 bits,
    This and other atrocities America jumps into thinking to be the white knight in shining armor have nothing to do with Humanitarianism.

    Google up Rwanda genocide,
    and then explain to me why we didn't intervene there?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 8:59 p.m.

    Lagomorph,
    I think you're smelling your own hypocrisy and blaming it on somebody else. Like blaming it on the dog.

    atl134,
    Anybody who doesn't know Hussein had a LONG history of killing his own people, and had active execution squads at the time we drew the line, and was funding terrorism at the time we took military action needs to put down the coolaid and get in touch with reality. Why do you think the UN passed 17 resolutions regarding Hussein's atrocities? Why did he kick out the UN inspectors if he was up to nothing at the time? Why did his own people sentence him to death for his atrocities and carry out that execution? If he was such an angel... why did his own people want to see him dead?

    Google "Saddam Hussein atrocities" and read up on it if you think Assad is worse than Hussein.

    Hussein killed 5000 of his own people with poison gas (Assad ~1500).
    Hussein after Kuwait committed wholesale massacres and other gross human rights violations Estimates of deaths in his 1991 crackdown were 20,000 to 100,000 Kurds, and 60,000 to 130,000 Shi'ites. He was no angel.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    Lagomorph,

    Nice to hear from you again. Always enjoy your comments.

    Mountanman,

    How about the offer to match $1 of tax increases with $10 of spending cuts?

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    @lostinDC:
    I support President Obama and cannot see why you would think I would be reticent about it based on my comment. Just because I prefer President Obama to Gov. Romney doesn't mean I know the answer to the Syria conumdrum. Nothing in this letter (or your comment) helps me understand the situation better. If you have something to add other than partisan, snide remarks, I look forward to reading it.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    Gotta love the 2-faced hypocrites on the right...

    When "we" [on the left] said invading Iraq and Afghanistan was a mistake,
    "we" were called cowards, and un-American, non-Patriots.

    They [on the far -right] told us Obama was a pansy,
    that he wa afraid of his own shadow,
    and that what America needed was a strong,
    Military leader,
    who wasn't afraid to take ACTION!

    Flip-Flop, Hypocrites!

    BTW - I was against military action in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    I'm STILL against military action in Syria, even when Obama is POTUS.

    That's called INTEGRITY.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    @2bits
    "What happened to the left's insistence that "you should be able to negotiate your way out of any conflict without military action"... they were pumping out non-stop when President Bush had to make tough decisions like this??"

    First off, Moveon and other progressive organizations are mobilizing against intervention.

    Secondly, the tyrant in question (Hussein/Assad) in this case is actively slaughtering people and has used chemical weapons. That wasn't the case during the discussion about Iraq (keyword being actively, in case someone wanted to bring up the Kurds). Remember that Democrats were the ones who wanted to intervene in Sudan.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 5, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    "The only reason its still legal to own a gun in America is because there were not enough Democrats that would support another useless gun control law."

    Really? Is that what the proposed law did?

    Pretty sure the proposed legislation dealt with background checks and certain classifications of semi-automatic weapons.

    Can you point to the legislation that tried to make it illegal "to own a gun in America"?

    Why the need for completely erroneous information. Is the truth just not inflammatory enough?

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    @mountain man

    So the answer to Obama not moving the conversation forward is to make comments that do the same? How is that logical?

    As to places were the GOP has blocked Obama lets start with three blocking the closing gitmo, defending the ACA, and filibustering nominations.

    What has the ZGOP done to try to move this country forward? the only thing they have done for five years as thumb their collective chest and void that they will insure that Obama fails, starting before he even took office. .

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    2 bits: "What happened to the left's insistence..."

    If my facebook newsfeed is any indication, the Left is plenty fired up in opposition to military involvement in Syria. The Left is plenty upset at Obama right now. He doesn't get a pass from us.

    It was just days ago when the Nobel Peace Prize recipient literally stood in Dr. King's footsteps. Many of us on the Left are wishing he would take King's nonviolent strategies to heart and come up with a nonmilitary solution. That's the dream we have.

    We are, however, suspicious of the Right's born again pacifism. It rings hollow and smells of isolationism.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 5, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    @ atl134. The only reason its still legal to own a gun in America is because there were not enough Democrats that would support another useless gun control law. Same with immigration reform; not enough Democrats will vote for it! Probably in both cases, they know it will cause them re-election problems in their home states! Still waiting for one policy, one agenda and one Obama mandate the Republicans have stopped! Just one! They couldn't even stop the "bailout" or the "stimulus" that turned out to be a complete waste!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    I suppose we could use pro-gun narrowly defined 2nd amendment group's approach to Syria--

    Give them all guns, arm them to the teeth and let them sort it out for themselves.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    What happened to the left's insistence that "you should be able to negotiate your way out of any conflict without military action"... they were pumping out non-stop when President Bush had to make tough decisions like this??

    Does that rhetoric only fly when there's a Republican President making the tough decisions? But silence when a Democrat is making the same tough decisions?

    Why isn't Obama and Kerry sitting down with Assad and coming up with a peaceful solution? I mean that's what Democrats wanted Bush to do. Seems like we have another "Bombs fix all problems" administration again today.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    @Mountanman
    "but NOTHING about Obama policy that was stopped by Republicans!"

    So what you're arguing is that Obama policy hasn't been stopped by Republicans despite their record setting use of the filibuster the last couple years?

    How's that senate immigration bill doing in the house? Come up for a vote yet?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    It's hilarious to watch the GOP suddenly become "doves" when for years they, their leaders, and all their presidential candidates have been requesting more military intervention in the Mid-East. Anyone else remember how Romney wanted to invade Iran? Invade Libya? Intervene in Egypt?

    Only now they want to leave the Mid-East by its own?

    Will they go against Obama at any cost?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    "so you dislike being reminded of what a poor choice was made last election? That's what I get from your comments."

    If war is something you don't like then you must have really hated Romney. He wanted to invade Syria and Iran.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 5, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    @alt134 You just named things wrong with America but NOTHING about Obama policy that was stopped by Republicans! Nothing! Environmental? Talk to coal miners! Tell us about Keystone and Solynda! Healthcare? Heard of Obamacare? Come on man, be honest at least!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    @Kent
    Actually they did recently add numbers to the Ryan budget... then they scrapped it. Turns out they didn't like what they were seeing.

    @Mountanman
    "Name one thing, one policy, one agenda item where the Republicans have stopped Obama?"

    Gun control, environmental policy, energy policy, job-creation, banking regulation*, health reform*, pay-as-you-go legislation, immigration reform.

    *These weren't stopped entirely but what we got was way different than what we were looking to get, especially on banking regulation.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    @Mister J
    Considering the whole one line Obama has drawn "no chemical weapons" then I suppose it is pretty minimalist.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    I can not name a president in my lifetime that didnt' have a military conflict durning their term. In fact its hard to think of one in US history.
    So what does this tell me? Republicans and Democrats are really the same party, disguised only by trivial moral issues they never really address, just rile up folks for their votes.
    The sooner American's realize this, the sooner it can stop.
    Stop arguing about Bush, Obama, left, right, etc... and have a real dialog about what our country is doing and what path it is on (and has been on).
    The real motivations for our country's actions can be found like always, when you follow the money.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    micawber, spring street, Kent, freedomfighter41,
    so you dislike being reminded of what a poor choice was made last election? That's what I get from your comments.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    Silly me; I always thought a Zen garden was known for its simplicity/minimalist style.

    Wouldn't a better analogy be Yosemite Sam continually drawing lines for Bugs to cross and its Sam who ends up falling odd the cliff.

    p.s. Lets just drop Ham Sandwiches and Bacon on the entire Near East/SW Asia (Israel included) and call it good.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    Thank you for your insightful letter. I would have never known anything about Syria without your thoughtful and detailed letter.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 5, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    @Spring Street and Kent. That's just it, Obama is not leading this nation forward. The majority of American know we are going backward in every area in which a country can move backward and what do we hear from Obama? "Its the Republican's fault because they are obstructionists." Name one thing, one policy, one agenda item where the Republicans have stopped Obama? Just one!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    No, Kent, this is the way that some people blindly follow a man who has proven that he is not fit to be President. He played while we were under attack in Bengahzi. He blames others for everything. He refuses to stand for anything. His foundation is no more stable than Jell-o.

    He doesn't know who used the gas in Syria. No one outside of Syria knows who used that gas. Russia, Germany and Great Britian have said as much. They refuse to used as pawns by Obama so that he can strut around the world stage and beat his chest.

    Do YOU believe in letting Obama bomb innocent men, women and children so that he can thump his chest? What is the value of life? Bombs are no more humane than is gas. Bombs kill indiscriminately. Bombs don't know the difference between the flesh of a soldier and the flesh of a child.

    We point scornful fingers at terrorists who bomb their countrymen, yet Obama wants to send in the missiles. Do you protect innocent lives by bombing them?

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    A Zen garden is designed to be a place of tranquility and contemplation. Somehow I don't think the author really meant that President Obama is seeking such a result in Syria.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    This letter is about comedy relief in a scary situation. Thanks for the chuckle!

    For those of you who don't want to examine what the motives and consequences are, before we start military actions, you blind followers of Obama should be the ones to go do the work for him. Take up your arms and follow your leader into battle. The rest of us don't want to dirty our hands with the blood of women and children in Syria. We want to behave better than the powers that gassed them.

    Diplomacy would be nice, except this president can't even negotiate with his own congress.

    Let's just call them racists. That might work. (sarcastic, for those who can't tell)

    The real answer, sanctions, period.

    No American blood should be spilled and no Syrian blood should be spilled by Americans.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    Yes, spring street, this is the Republican way of moving things forward: criticize the president. That pretty much sums up the GOP strategy for the past (nearly) 5 years. Oh wait, they did come up with that nifty Ryan budget. You know, the one without any numbers.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    And this letter helps move the conversation on Syria forward how exactly?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 5, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    “By the way, when the president did draw it, it’s not like congressional Republicans were opposed to it,” Senor said. “No congressional Republican was saying don’t draw that red line. They were never criticizing President Obama for doing too much. They were criticizing him for doing too little. Now he wants to do something!”

    Romney Senior Foreign Policy advisor - Dan Senor sept 4, 2013

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 5, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    In Sweden, Obama did what he always does: dodge, deflect and blame. "He didn't draw a line, the world community did." Never mind there is no world community on Syria strikes. "His credibility isn't on the line, Congress' is." Nothing is HIS fault! Never accountable, never responsible. His policies harm America and its the "Republican's fault that things are so bad". Meanwhile the Republicans have no power whatsoever to stop Obama and haven't, not even one time!

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    Sept. 5, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    I don't know what the right answer is in Syria. But this letter added nothing to my understanding of the situation.