Just met with my insurance agent. The cost for my small business should
increase 30-40% next year. I and most of my employees will not get a tax break.
This plan is great for those who aren't paying taxes. If you pay taxes,
your premiums will probably go up. If you don't pay taxes, are on food
stamps, and are living in federal housing, you will probably like the new plan.
Okay, and what are the subsidies they would get (assuming they make below 3x the
poverty line which is quite likely for someone not getting insurance through
their employer) to help them pay for the insurance? It's really an
inadequate analysis when you leave out important details...
Since we're doing anecdotes today, as an employee of a large company(and
tax payer), I don't expect any significant increases to my insurance
Obamacare is nothing more than the largest entitlement scam in the history of
the world. Free healthcare for millions while those who already pay their OWN
healthcare insurance pays more, much more!
@ Joe C. You are just lucky so far. Speaking of anecdotes, millions of former
full time employees are now part time employees, thanks to Obamacare! If you are
one of the lucky ones that this has not happened to, where is your compassion
for those it has happened to or the millions more that it will happen to?
My son and his wife now pay $210 a month outside Obamacare. So much for the
"affordable" part. expect this ugly thing to be a disaster for everyone
..with the exception of those who get it free.
The article makes it sound like everyone should expect some sort of tax credit
to reduce the premiums. If everyone is getting some sort of discount, then
who's picking up the extra burden? That money has to come from somewhere.
Don't you just love this Obama plan. It's expensive enough to begin
with and if you don't have enough money to buy it, you will get fined for
not having it. What next, debtors prisons?
If only we'd have had the sense to go with a single payer system, and get
rid of insurance entirely.
how stupid does a 21 year old have to be to fork over $270/month when he can
ride on mommy and daddy's policy with no money out of his pocket?Obamacare is a lie.
Welcome to the socialist shell game where those who are not paying are promised
"free stuff" and those who pay something are promised
"subsidies" but those who are already paying and being taxed over and
over will pay morel, to provide "free stuff" and subsidies.Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money to spend.Not a single line of Obamacare is aimed at increasing the supply of
health care providers, only at taking money from some people and giving it to
others, and forcing healthy young people to buy a product they do not want, or
The funds are coming from the same pool, except those who work, and have
insurance, will be paying a more.After all, those who work and earn
money didn't do that on there own. Someone else did it.Money
needs to be redistributed, and everyone on the same level playing
field.--Poverty, and dependence on government.
Serves those 20 something's and younger right...they voted for this tool,
twice! Unfortunately they will be paying for their stupidity long after Obama
is gone....and the rich will pay higher premiums and not even notice.
What's another $10 grand to a guy who makes over $250000 a year or
more...... Obamacare was supposed to insure the 30 million
obamaphone crowd who couldn't afford insurance because they are on the dole
and refuse to work anyways......now we still will have 30 million uninsured and
the DMV-like govt employee deciding for you whether your premature infant or
your grandmother goes to intensive care or the funeral parlor.......and Obama
and his ilk call themselves progressives!
Those on private or group insurance policies better be prepared to lose the
group insurance, conversion to Obamacare system is becoming mandatory to fund
it. Private insurance is a threat to Obama care funding so its in
the process of forcing private insurance out of business by attrition, meaning
people will have to pay for 2 insurance plans to keep private insurance and
Obamacare. You can keep it but you have to buy the Obamacare as well. People
seem to think Obama care will a low co-pay 100% of cost plan but not so. Obama
care has fixed payments and no restrictions on billing costs by doctors and
hospitals.And the Obamacare is very expensive, nearly 3 times the
cost of private insurance plans. Hospitals are not able to compute the billing
cost and limits to Obama care and plan to send bills to patients who will have
to file medical bills with IRS and Obamacare as a claim.Its also
very true that non tax filing workers will escape the system until they need
health care and will be fined and reported to the IRS collections.Health care will become extinct as Dr's and hospitals close their doors.
The sentiments of comments so far express little support for Obama-care. A sense
of dread comes as this new healthcare system is better understood...I still take
issue with the incredible Congress who approved it with the "just vote for
it now, and read it later," advice taken. Incredible that any responsible
person would have voted for this. Incredible "dumbing down" of America
in general. There are consequences to be paid. Yet folks don't support
Mike Lee's effort to overturn Obama-care...again, just incredible.
Washington is making this up as they go along.There is no way they can
pick up the huge burden of costs coming from the previously uninsurable without
it costing healthy people much more.This redistribution of wealth will not
go well, especially since the economy stinks.
If you believe anything Obama or his administration/regime say, then I have some
shovel ready jobs to sell you! (And some electric cars, solar panels, etc.)
Hey to all you GOP'ers on here talking trash. Just what has your party
offered in it's place? Oh that's right NOTHING. So here you all sit
and do nothing but whine and cry, and bad mouth some one that's trying to
some good. So again what is your plan? And how come it has never seen the light
of day. Oh that right you have NOTHING.
Obamacare was designed to fail.Those of us who are,(and always have
been)buying our own insurance will see our rates go up, and up, and
up.......until eventually we will be BEGGING Obama for a solution to the problem
he created. This will happen because: 1)young people (over 26)won't even
buy the cheap insurance. Why should they, they're mostly healthy? 2)those
people who always said they "couldn't afford" insurance will
continue to say those same things, even WITH subsidies. IF they get sick they
will go to the emergency rooms as a "john doe" just like all the illegal
immigrants. Through our insurance we will CONTINUE to subsidize them by paying
higher insurance premiums.There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Obamacare that
will lower medical costs.I support Sen. Lee (and others)who are
trying to de-fund Obamacare. We're wasting billions on start-up costs for
Obamacare when the system will never work.
I am not a republican or a democrat, but sometimes having a program is worse
than one that does not work. The issue is not republican or democrat it is the
culture of America.We are here because of Greed and corruption. Greed from the wealthy and Greed from the those who feel a sense of
entitlement when things go wrong. Corruption from a health care system that
doesn't get it.
The overwhelming thinking in this forum is "Obamacare" is not a good
piece of legislation and that it is an "entitlement program".
"Obamacare" is derived from the early 90s Republican plan to help
address health care issues. A notice to the people who think this is an
entitlement program. You're analysis is dead wrong. What we have now is an
"entitlement program" where anyone can walk into the ER receive
treatment, which is the most expensive form of medical treatment, and not have
to pay for their services. Who pays for those services you may ask? We do,
taxpayers and insurance subscribers. Mandating that people purchase health care
insurance or pay a penalty is actually making people pay into a system that they
will use. Will "Obamacare" actually solve the underlying issues, tough
to say because it has not been fully implemented.
When it comes to health reform, please don't perpetuate a climate of fear
by repeating myths. Get informed. Get the facts. And find out how health reform
might help you and the people you know.>>Fact: Rate shock
isn't happening in Utah. Premiums for 27 year-old in Salt Lake County are
as little $162/month for a Silver (70/30) plan, before subsidies>>Fact: Obamacare insurance isn't government insurance, it's
private insurance: Altius, SelectHealth, Humana, etc. Private insures will gain
many new customers. >>Fact: Obamacare stops lifetime caps, women
paying more than men, reduces age discrimination, and eliminates pre-existing
conditions as a reason to deny or overcharge for coverage. >>Fact: Members of Congress and their staffs will be required to
purchase their insurance on the new marketplaces.>>Fact: 270,000
Utahns will qualify for subsidies to help them reduce the costs of premiums. The
subsidies are funded by savings to the system, plus taxes on insurers, tanning
beds, medical device makers, and people who earn more than $200k/$250k>>Fact: People under age 30 can purchase catastrophic insurance that
covers preventative care, protects against bankruptcy, and is cheaper than full
To "satch" if Europe and Canada are any example of what happens when the
greed and corruption in healthcare finally get to the point where the people
have had enough, it shouldn't be too long before we get the Government out
of healthcare. Just look at the greed and corruption that are pervasive
throughout the Medicare and Mediciad system.To those that think a
single payer system is the answer, why? Will we magically get more doctors
under a single payer system? Will we have more healthcare providers available?
Will the cost of medical devices go down? Will the cost of government overhead
be reduced (currently 20% to 30%)? Will you be able to get any treatment at no
out of pocket cost to you under a singe payer system?Please explain
why a single payer system is so great? In nations that have a singe payer
system they limit what treatments you can get and they typically have problems
with having sufficient Doctors to treat the people. Just look to England to see
the disaster of a national healthcare system.
@Utah Health Policy ProjectAnd just exactly where is this all going to
come from? Better coverage for less. How nice. But how does that
happen?Don't just spew the talking points. Explain how we can get
more for less?And why is Obama missing all those roll-out targets?And why does he have the NFL and Hollywood stars and Bill Clinton shilling for
his half-baked plan?
@RG"If you believe anything Obama or his administration/regime say,
then I have some shovel ready jobs to sell you! "Doubtful, since
I'm pretty sure the GOP just filibustered funding them.
" .... Hey to all you GOP'ers on here talking trash .... "Blah, blah, blah, - and you're not trash talking are you "not
here".My GOP'er solution:Leave it up to the
FREE MARKET system. Ever heard of supply & demand and competition?? I would
listen to REPUTABLE experts already in the medical field to help determine the
"system" we should use. One thing I know for sure - when you let
GOVERNMENT, and especially THIS government, take over something this massive it
is a guaranteed train wreck disaster. Wise up.
Anyone that has ever been to the emergency room or had a child knows that
medical costs are expensive and usually become an emotionally stressing burden
on the entire family. The care is needed of course and a sick person should be
able to receive medical attention when necessary. This truth does not mean that
we should accept a socialistic approach to healthcare that crushes young people
financially even more. Most of us take out student loans to get through school
and work full-time to have a decent living of going on a date a couple times a
month and actually paying our bills on time. Did I mention that the
federal government has their greedy hands on student loans now too? Delinquency
rates are skyrocketing in certain areas and overall the Direct Loan program is
being inefficiently managed by several third-party agencies. What makes the feds
think that they can manage healthcare if they can't handle the projects
they are already involved with? This is all about trying to make more money!
Simplify the system and give power back to the states to handle their own woes!
How will this effect car sales?
mcdugall,repub plan? Hardly. None voted for it. They saw how it failed
in MA to increase access to health care or control costs and learned from that
mistake. You’re saying the best the dems can come with is a plan that was
tried, and FAILED, on a small scale? You know the definition of insanity,
don’t you?Utah Health Policy ProjectWhy do you give only
select facts?>>Fact: in MA, despite forcing everyone onto
insurance, it did NOT increase access to heal care>>Fact:
Obamacare did NOT decrease healthcare costs>>Fact: Obamacare will
still leave millions uninsured>>Fact: Obamacare is causing
millions to lose the plans they had>>Fact: Obamacare is costing
much more than projected>>Fact: Obamacare is hindering hiring and
forcing more people into part-time employment>>Facts: Obamacare is
a lie and a disasteratl134,no, those
“shovel-ready” jobs were funded by the porkulus, before the repubs