As taxpaying parent with a small choice of schools out here in Tooele I love
seeing how the schools actually compare with each other.Thank you
for making this information public.And yes, out here in Tooele
County our charter school is Excellent! Thank you Excelsior Academy
for all your hard work!Please fund fully the charter schools that
@Instereo"One of the big flaws with the school grading system is
they used a bell curve."Methinks you don't understand what
a bell curve is. A bell curve is a perfectly normal distribution - for every A
there is an F, for every B there is a D, and the mean and median are a C. The
grading scheme here (where over half the "class" got A's and
B's) is pretty much the exact opposite of a bell curve.
Looks like grad inflation has hit in the first year. Silly system that has very
little meaning to what's actually going on in the schools.
Basing any grade on just three tests (language, science and math) is ridiculous
in the first place so these grades are bogus. There is a lot more to goes into
a school than just test scores. I think West HS churned out more National Merit
Scholars than any school and does so about every year and it just received a F
grade. I think schools should be evaluated on a lot of factors such as parental
involvement, scholarship money earned, extracurricular activities, program
choices, test scores (I suppose), teacher satisfaction, parental satisfaction,
and (dare I say it) student satisfaction.BTW--I give our legislature
I do consider Davis as one of the top High Schools in the State. I
wouldn't mind having my kids go there. Davis had the highest pass rate for
Math proficiency I have found so far looking through the data. Several I have
looked at were below 20% including my High School Bingham at 17%. My point is
politicians can bend the data to make any school look bad. Some schools had
F's based on having fewer than 95% take the tests.The criteria
for writing proficiency was supposed to be included but that meant schools were
going to score much lower than they did. In the end writing proficiency was
dropped. The school I work at is a K-9 Charter. It was a shame the
writing test results were eliminated. Our school had an aberrational year. 5th
grade scored in at 96% and 8th grade 91% mastery. We scored very 85% for
language arts (a drop from last year), 81% math (a drop) and 78% for science
(increase). Our school had fantastic results for proficiency, but was heavily
effected on the improvement scores. Our overall score was 71%.
@OatmealDavis is a fantastic school that scored 82% according to the
criteria, good enough to make the cut for an A grade. The school had so many
kids proficient THIS year that next year they are going to have a harder time
earning the points on school improvement for non-proficient students. Davis still had 32% (roughly one out of every three students) of its entire
student body who failed to pass the grade level mathematics test and one out of
every five students failed the science achievement test. If one third of your
graduates can't do grade level math are you really an A school?
PGVikingDad: But that disadvantage did not exist this year unless the
administration and faculty ignored this evaluation system as it developed. That
is poor educational leadership and the parents should be furious. All schools
can improve at this point.
Grades for schools is just another step to justify charter schools and eliminate
public schools.When will we get the opportunity to give grades to
our Utah legislators?
One of the big flaws with the school grading system is they used a bell curve.
In other words there are going to be some schools getting an A and others
getting an F based on criteria set which does not necessarily represent what a
school does or what it has to deal with. I think what if we graded
pilots of jetliners the same way with some getting A's and some getting
F's. Would that be an accurate description of what skill level they have.
Not really, because they have the skill to be competent in taking off, flying,
and landing which is all I worry about when I'm flying somewhere. Sure
there would be a bell curve of the best to the worst pilots but it really
wouldn't tell me anything except to get me worked up if I knew I was flying
with a pilot who got an F. Now if only the state would help fund a
little more the schools that scored a D or an F instead of punishing them.
Steven is right: Because the high performing schools (over 90% proficiency)
would have received a "B" grade depending upon what their scores were
last year, they had to expand the "A" grades to the wide 80-100% range.
It would be better if they would figure out how to scale the growth points
depending upon the proficiency points so high performing schools are not
penalized.For example if a school scores at 96% proficient that
school should clearly get an "A", but the problem is, if the next year
they "only" score at 91% proficiency, their growth score will bring them
down out of the "A" category because the growth is weighted EQUAL to
proficiency. There needs to be a formula where the growth scores diminish in
proportion to higher the proficiency scores. This is a start.
Let's hope they can tweak until it really makes sense and gives the public
information that is really clear and helpful.
Lets see what Idaho scores are. I can bet that most States that have the funds
of the lottery going to support their school systems, get much better grades. We
have more children in this State than most, yet we cannot pass one simple law
that would help with funds for our school systems by allowing us to play the
lottery and give the money TO OUR STATE rather than giving our money to the
Idaho School system. It just baffles me how Utah cannot keep Sate and religion
Oatmeal, the trick Davis employed works exactly once. From this point on, they
are at a serious disadvantage, as Steven mentioned.
Sir Robin, Only if Mommy and Daddy complained. Those are the students that get
passing grades like that, just so the parents will shut up.
Only 14% of our schools earned a D or an F while over 50% earned an A or a B?
Sounds like the grades our public schools give our kids...everyone passes.Back in the day, my stepbrother spent too much time goofing off in class
and ditching school his sophomore year - he got two F's and they made him
repeat the grade. That humbled him up real quick and he was a model student
after that. Today they would just give him C's and move him onto the next
Very cool. I wish more things in government were publicly graded, such as post
offices, TSA checkpoints in airports, passport offices, state DMV offices, and
all elected officials.
Steven S. Jarvis,"Higher performing schools are at a
disadvantage."Then please explain how Davis High School,
traditionally one of the best high schools in the state, earned an "A?"
Answer: That school's faculty saw what was coming and met the criteria.
Some public schools have been able to hide behind a veil of opinion.
Data strips it all away. Granted, there are different ways of reporting that
data and I have plenty of concerns with this system, but the public should have
accountability from the schools that they support with their tax dollars.
Obtaining 80% or more of the available points earns an A. Where else in
education would 80% be considered achieving? When a student scores consistently
at or below 80% at our school we start giving that student extra support and
accomodations. Anything below that mark is not adequate progress for a typical
student. The ranges should have been 90-100 A, 80-89 B, 70-79 C, 55-69 D and
below 54 F. The developed grading system is subtantially flawed.
Half the points assigned were "progress points." Like NCLB, schools
that perform poorly one year should be able to show improvement the next year.
Higher performing schools are at a disadvantage. If they perform consistently
high, they cannot make the wide-scale progress to earn the needed points for the
The problem is how the data is used to determine the grade. For example, in the
growth area, schools score higher by moving a failing student to minimally
passing than they do for having a student who scored the highest stay the
highest. Eventually, every school will earn a low growth grade...especially if
they get all of their students up to the highest level. It also begs the
question...what does an A mean? What does a D mean?
.Only ONE school in the Ogden or Weber school districts rated an A.Da Vinci Academy, one of the "oh so better" charter schoos,
rated a D.,