Don't blame the Tribune.Blame the way the compensation is
computed.The different jobs SHOULD be listed separately, AND we should
know the total hours being compensated for in each job..By the way,
why does one person get to triple-dip, when there are other people who could
teach driver's training?
This current rage of publishing Civil Service earnings is basically reasonable
in the concept of accountability. However, when they start publishing
identifying info on individuals, it becomes wrong! In my opinion,
the honest and responsible way to do it would be by reporting the salary tables
(possibly including how many positions are actually filled). That would show
what position gets how much, and how increases are obtained.
Reasonable Person: " why does one person get to triple-dip". Maybe because he took the time, spent the money, and put out the effort to
get the assorted required certifications for the job. He also uses what would
otherwise be his own free time to do the job. Others do have the
I do not think it is very cool for you to thrash your counter part or competing
paper. Not cool at all. So, you never did say that the numbers are
Reasonable Person: " why does one person get to triple-dip". Oh, brother. Educators are still trying to find a way to
"single-dip." They do extra duty around the school to help pay the
bills and maintain their teaching "hobby." It is amazing that Utah has
so many masters-educated people who work that many hours for those salaries.
Heaven bless 'em. The state legislature and many parents won't.
I do have to wonder how these men put in 80 hour weeks. Are you really saying
they work 16 hours every day? True it is that they may get to the school at 5 am
and not go home until 11 pm on sports nights. But do they do that everyday? The
underlying issue here is not how much the men are paid to oversee sports;
rather, it is how much they get paid to teach. You seem to claim they get paid
next to nothing to do their other jobs outside of teaching. Well, their 6 digit
salary needs to come from somewhere, so if being AD doesn't do it, being a
teacher must. The real issue with education in UT is how much the
admins get paid. Easily 6 figures for most of them.
wish I got that much for a part time job
I feel so sorry for Mr Moncur how can he live on a paltry 145,000 a year wow
that is only triple the average salary in Utah for 9 months a year. I am
marching into my boss tomorrow and demanding 150,00 per year and only work 9
months. These poor teachers.
I call B.S. I have seen Brown on the job. It's true, he spends a great
deal of time preparing a field and watching games. As for teaching.....he is
hardly there. He shows driver education films when he is there. A cake job
compared to other teachers.
Big oneDid you read any of the article? I don't know any of
these individuals. I do know the AD at two of the local High Schools in St.
George. I know they don't make nearly as much as is reported in the Utahs
right to know. I also know that by the time you put a dollar figure to the
amount of time they put in they don't make much. I challenge you to go
follow one of the AD around for a week and then come back and comment. I
promise you you won't be singing the same tune.
The Big One...You really don't have a clue, do you?If you work construction and the season stops your work, or if you are a
logger and you get laid off for a few months when fire danger is too high, you
collect unemployment. Teachers are forced to not work for three months, and get
nothing.But that is a lie, too. No teacher I know has ever actually
had three months off. They have to go to workshops, clinics, summer programs
for sports or other activities, often with no pay, and then during school, they
often work 10 hour days, especially if they are involved in any sort of
extra-curricular activity. Of course, they get paid for that. One teacher I
know gets paid $1,500 as an assistant FB coach. He works for the 13 weeks of
the season, 4 weeks before the season, and one week in the summer for camp.
With all the varied hours of summer and game days, he ends up putting a minimum
of 420 hours into the sport, and realistically, its closer to 500. That's
$3 an hour.Yeah, that's a part time job you want, all right.
I also think it is quite inaccurate how these salaries and benefits are figured.
You can't eat a benefit. Benefits, as we might learn from Detroit, can be
taken away or in some cases with medical insurance not used. I have a friend
who has worked 20 years as a teacher and has gone to the Dr. once. He gets
about $200 of his check removed every month for insurance which is now tens of
thousands more contributed than he's ever used. The only thing that should
be reported, which accurately can be reported dollar for dollar, is salary. The
rest is just conjecture and hasn't actually been directly given to the
Take benefits out and they are still 100k plus. Quite excellent for 9 months.
rural sport- I think teachers sign a contract for the year don't they? I
think they get a check in the summer too, but even if they don't, they can
work in the summer as many do. Point is they get paid based on the contract they
sign. No one is holding a gun to their head forcing them to be teachers,
coaches, admin., whatever. Lots of people keep saying that when you factor in
time involved it doesn't actually add up to much. Well, 40 hours a week or
80, 6 figures is still a nice salary. In fact, if you add up the whole year of
time spent working, they might just be average. I'm self employed so i get
it, sometimes you spend more time working than others, but average it out over
the year, and I work about the same as the 9-5 crowd. But, I don't get the
benefit package these guys do. That's ok, I made the conscious decision to
do what I do, so not complaining, just saying teachers go into teaching knowing
what awaits them, so maybe the ones wanting to make more, should be doing
It's hard for me to complain about a teachers salary. Most are underpaid
for their services and most have had to continue their educations earning
graduate degrees (while working full time) to earn more money. Coached make Jack
Squat for the time they put in, so if they have to double or triple dip to make
a great salary, I say go for it!I make allot more than all these guys and
I know I don't put in nearly the time they do. Plus they are great
influences on our children and they do make a difference. If I were the whiners
out there complaining about the salaries these guys are bringing in I think I
would just say thank you and then shut the heck up. These AD's earn every
bit of their salaries.
No, its not wrong that public employees pay is public information as it is in
all governmnet jobs. Pay scales and pay rates are legal public information
according to the titles and job they hold. So if one employee has more than one
job the math is pretty simple for the 60 and older. I'm sure
these 3 jobs are all paying him for the same 8 hour day. Getting paid for 24
hours of work every 8 hour day. Now that can't be justified by any human
possibility of being in 3 places at the same time. May the pay rates for each
job is justified, but one man being paid for 24 hours of work a day is criminal
fraud. And its keep others from a job that is desperately needed. Teachers pay
is not really bad for 9 months which they divide over 12 month period at
teachers request.It also is not against the law for people working
in jobs to compare and talk about their wages and incomes. But Utah labor laws
that don't exist gives the employers the right to fire someone if they
compare notes and wages, it's a slavery thing.
Yankees27:No, teachers usually sign a contract for the school year,
plus a few days at either end. You are getting paid for 9+ months, but most
teachers elect to take that pay and spread it into 12 payments.Yes,
teachers can get a summer job...but so can contractors or loggers, yet they get
unemployment.Yes, they knew the deal when they got in...and most
aren't complaining. What makes them angry is when people say they are
getting paid 6 figures when they really aren't, or when they get told they
are working a part time job, when they obviously aren't.The
benefit package is the real issue. On paper it looks like they are getting
30-40K that they aren't getting. Most teachers make betwen $25-$50K, all
the rest is just accounting baloney.
One of the biggest fallacies of the teaching profession is that they only work 9
months a year. I have worked in education for many years (not a teacher, but an
hourly employee) and two of my children have taught and coached. They have
worked til mid June and then have to be back for meetings the beginning of
August. They also have obligations for a week here and there during July because
of their coaching responsibilities. Almost every teacher I know puts in far more
time than people who are not teachers assume they do. Every year benefits are
cut, class sizes increase, and more demands are placed on the teacher in the
classroom to make sure each student passes state and federally mandated tests.
Do teachers know all of this going in? Of course they do, and yet they chose to
do it anyway because they care about our children and want to make a difference.
Is is unfair that they are not compensated for all the hours they put in? I
believe that it is, and yet they continue to do it. We are fortunate that they
are willing to do so.