After Johnny's antics, I can't imagine wanting A&M to win over
Alabama. Who would have thought...but he succeeded in making me a temporary
Alabama fan. Alabama 34, A&M 17.
As usual, USU gets no credit... "The hurry-up offenses that BYU
and Utah are employing this year may not look real smooth right now, but they do
make the games more interesting and certainly hold your attention. You can
hardly look down or else you'll miss the next play."That's nice but USU's offense is both fast (which Utah's
isn't) AND productive (which byu's isn't). byu was
pathetic Saturday and yet we supposedly learned this: "Many
folks complained that BYU shouldn't have called a pass play on third down
with less than three minutes left Saturday. But if the Cougars had run it up the
middle and had to punt and gotten another punt blocked or if Virginia had come
back to drive for the winning score, fans would have complained that the Cougars
should have tried to pass to get the first down. Hindsight is always so
easy." ...another unsupported 'what if' excuse. Well done, Des News. Based on the byu comment boards since
Saturday's game, byu fans are tiring of the constant stream of ponies and
rainbows they are fed by the local media.
C'mon, give SUU a little more credit than just playing a weak FBS opponent.
Southern Utah did beat Eastern Washington and Montana last year which in a
previous article they were listed as the FBS "Do Not Play" teams. No
matter how you slice it, any and all FBS teams have 85 scholarships, 20 more
than any FCS team. Congratulation's to Southern Utah, Eastern Washington,
NDSU, etc, they are well coached, hard working young men who every once in a
while get a chance to stick it to the big boy's!
"If you thought BYU and Utah struggled offensively in Week 1..."Not sure I understand this. Utah had 450 yards of offense. Thats almost 100
hundred more yards than Byu. I don't think you can lump the two together.
UsU had 487.
autograph gate? Anybody else getting sick of the press adding "gate" to
every scandal. come on it has been 40 years since watergate.
I would be more concerned about Utah and Utah States defenses than their
offenses. 937 total yards? Utah looked lost on a lot of the drives Utah State
ran and Utah State gave up way too many long passing plays.
BYU's hurry up offense has LOST my attention.
Come on Mike. 450 yards of offense produced by Utah is not struggling. Utah
ran fewer plays than BYU because Utah was in ball control at the end of the game
to preserve the win. Something BYU should have done. When is the Des News
staff going to come to the realization that BYU is not a good football team? So
far it has been a constant stream of BYU superlatvives.
Johnny's cockiness is entertaining, he's good and he knows it, reminds
me of a guy that played at byu...JM.
C'mon Sorensen, stop glossing it over for BYU. Their offense was pathetic,
and I agree with UtesFootball above, lumping them with Utah's offense is
ridiculous. Utah's offense looked just fine on Thursday, it's their
defense most ute fans are worried about. And I agree with MP also...tell it like
it is, not this dolled up frosting version. In a nutshell the article should
have said:1) Utah and Utah State have improved offenses that were
able to move the football and put points on the board, despite being a little
inconsistent at times. BYUs offense looked lost, inept, and like a toddler
trying to run faster than their legs are capable.2) Utah and Utah
State were inconsistent, out of position, and exhibited poor tackling and
defense for much of the night on Thursday, but there were glimpses of great
defense especially from star defensive players on both teams. BYUs defense
Saturday looked solid, fast, and tough up the middle as expected. However
Virginia never really tested, or tried to go vertical against BYUs inexperienced
corners, so much remains to be seen.That's what we all learned
without the gloss.
BYU is number 3 in the nation! Only two teams ran more plays. I wonder if
those two had comments like at times it seems BYU is more interested in running
plays than having a purpose behind those plays!We also learned if
one game can cost Van Noy all-American status. First quarter only mentioned one
time and that was for a missed tackle. He did hurry a pass which led to an
interception and it appears had 2.5 tackles for a loss. But is that
all-American play against a team picked to tie for last in their division of the
Atlantic Coast Conference (or whatever the name is for the new blended
conference.Also we learned a coaching staff can win a game (onside
kick) or lose a game (play the percentages)The above posts included
two from BYU fans critical of the watered down, glossed over press coverage of
BYU. Congratulations! Can a ripple become a ground swell?Good
Luck, cougars on Saturday's game.
I thought decisionmaking by Utah's offensive coaches was better than last
year.BYU's offensive decisionmaking and execution was as bad as
last year. Maybe the execution will be better with Hoffman back. If not, it
could be a long season.BYU's defense was outstanding. Van Noy
proved he can have a big impact without posting great stats.Utah
State is a very good team, but they need to avoid mental mistakes. Speaking of
mental mistakes, I hope the coaches didn't wait until AFTER the game
started to begin hydrating Chuckie Keeton.
The article and fans responses are comparing apples to oranges! Utah played at
home with perfect football weather, lets see how BYU does on Saturday at home on
a fast familiar track and dry footballs to work with and Cody Hoffman in the
line up!!!Go Cougs!!!
Here are the three things we learned about in-state football this past
weekend:1. Utah is average and has a lot of work to do. But their
problems are solvable because they have the athletes/talent, just not the
experience.2. USU is average and has a lot of work to do. But their
problems are NOT solvable because they don't have the athletes/talent
(Chuckie being the exception). Luckily they won't need to solve their
problems to win their (terrible) conference.3. BYU is below average and
has more than a lot of work to do. Their problems are NOT solvable because they
are all related to coaching and BYU is determined to ride this coaching staff
into the ground.
Mike, add to the Pac-12 vs. MWC list Colorado's 14 point win over CSU.
@DutchmanUmm yeah but USU's defense is pathetic
jarka-rus, USU returned most of its starters from a top 20 defense last year. Or
wait... does the quality of team one plays actually impact a team's
If you follow Nate Meikle's theory on 'Regression to the Mean'
then BYU's offensive lack of offensive performance Saturday was the
outlier, and the next sampling against Texas will lie much closer to the mean,
or historic, level of output. So look for an increase in passing accuracy and
total offense, and a decrease in turnovers and penalties this Saturday.As for Johnny Manziel, there's a difference between being cocky and being
foolish. He's got the talent, but he needs to make better decisions.
Insubordination toward your coach will absolutely drop your NFL draft stock.If you're tired of the media frenzy around John Football, then
you'll need to stay away from the internet and keep the TV off.
Nice to see byu fans calling it like it is for once.If they perform
like they did against UVA, I assure you they'll get absolutely worked at
home by both UT/The U!
Since when does 30 points/450 yards of total O constitute, "struggling"?
Was The U perfect on O? Absolutely not, but usu's D is hardly a slouch.
On the other hand, byu's O was utterly inept. No comparison, whatsoever!
We learned the answer to the 16 year "will they won't they" dance
between the BCS and BYU..."No"
So nice to read the comments of mostly reasonable Utah and BYU fans, without the
hyperbole of the extremests. Those sources of blustery (and wildly inaccurate)
predictions are keeping their heads down in shame--at least long enough for the
rest of us to enjoy a bit of fresh air.
Even when BYU loses it wins??It sure seems like BYU always comes out
shining even when it lost. BYU gets more press, 3x as many reader comments and
nearly half the attention.DNews, BYU lost a chance at several
probable opportunities by losing to Virginia. They cannot go undefeated. They
cannot make a National Title game (unless divine interventions cost the best
teams multiple losses). The opportunity to make a BCS bowl is likely gone with
BYU having to win ALL remaining games, be ranked in the top 15 AND be ahead in
the standings over one of the six champions. It won't happen because
Northern Illinois slipped past its toughest opponent on the schedule. BYU still has plenty of opportunities ahead. The most important right now is
recovering and beating a ranked Texas team.
Wow - no love for Chucky and the USU hurry up offense. I thought they were very
effective in the hurry up. Chucky is by far the best player in the state.What does it matter that byU got the third most plays in the nation if
they didn't execute those plays? Utah offense struggling? I
guess if a QB rating of 174.9, over 150 yards rushing, a perfect kicking game
and a win is "struggling", then I hope we struggle every week.Go Utes!!
I really don't think we learned much of anything. Let's get 3-4 games
into this season, then re-evaluate/revisit the topic. I do believe Utah's
win was a good win. That Utah State will go 8-4 or 9-3 and that BYU let a very
win-able game get away though.
Something else that was learned was that USU got called on some pretty dumb
penalties...a couple self-inflicted, the others were a joke. Neither BYU or the
U had any devistating personal fouls...which is nice.
Mr Sorensen, the offense was a joke. The hurry up looked just like that. A bunch
of guys trying to hurry real fast to do something kinda like the keystone cops.
And don't give the arrogant Bronco another pass for doing something stupid
to lose a game. He made the dumb decision to go for two last year at Boise. He
made the even dumber decision to pass on third and six from his own 34 with less
than 3 minutes to go. Hill was 13 for 39 at that point and the defense was well
rested and had been effective all day. Don't tell us it was Anae we all
know Bronco made the final decision. Hindsight my rear end. If BYU doesn't
get the first down on a rushing play the chances of the defense holding are over