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Published: Saturday, Aug. 31 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Agreed!
Great letter.

Thanks.

trekker
Salt Lake, UT

The bottom line is without a college education to get higher paying jobs people don't have a chance, there are few jobs that pay a decent wage without a degree. The US is changing, soon there will be no middle class. You will have the poor and the rich. I would like to see money go toward getting those on assistance an education so they can support themselves, kind of like the teach a man to fish story. Otherwise they will be on food stamps welfare for the rest of their lives.

Maudine
SLC, UT

If a business cannot afford to pay the full cost of doing business - which includes paying a real wage to their employees - perhaps they should not be in business.

If we, as consumers, want the product or service a business is providing, we should be willing to pay the full cost of that product or service.

Those who do not want that product or service should not have their tax money used to support it - especially if the head of the company and the stockholders are making hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

I think that U.S. government and local governments should stop giving huge corporations(Walmart) tax breaks and incentives if the workers of these corporations are on government assistance. Why should the taxpayers subsidize walmart's profits?

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ trekker: Many of those who work minimum wage jobs have a college education. The problem us that "job creators" are not creating jobs. Additionally, many high paying jobs require no college - education is not the answer - decent wages are.

The fastest growing industries in the US are retail and food service - industries that don't require an education and that we allow to pay low wages.

In spite of claims to the contrary, it is possible for companies like these to thrive while paying real wages and benefits to their employees - examples of this are businesses like Costco and WinCo.

Whether or not employees have a college education, taxpayers should not be subsidizing businesses by paying for food, housing, and healthcare for their employees.

Star Bright
Salt Lake City, Ut

Does anyone understand what "an entry level job is?"

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

Good letter. These large corporations are taking advantage of government welfare programs (the taxpayer) to pick up the slack for their Scrooge wages, just so they can turn an ever-increasing, year over year, double-digit profits for their shareholders. Wall street has lost its way. Investors used to be happy with just profitability, now they are only happy with those companies who are exponentially profitable which has led to a decline in real wages and reliance on government welfare programs. They have become the real government moochers.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

trekker

Salt Lake, UT

The bottom line is without a college education to get higher paying jobs people don't have a chance, there are few jobs that pay a decent wage without a degree.

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Now necessarily.

1. Many of those WITH college degrees can't even get a "good" job anymore.
2. There has not been a "good" job market now for over 6 years, so wages have been stagnant to receding.
3. They are completely with college degrees and 5+ years experience over jobs making barely $15 hour.
4. Their debt to earning ratios for that piece of paper is no longer a good investment of their time OR money.

So --
Why should one go into debt $50,000 to get a job making $5 an hour more than minimum wage?

And
If they aren't moving UP - no one else will either.

Meanwhile --
GDP appears to go up,
but the rich (1%) who produce nothing - but collect the earnings of the actual producers are getting richer, and the poor (the 99%) keep getting poorer.

one old man
Ogden, UT

May I nominate this for the Letter Of The Year Award?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

@ Star Bright

"Does anyone understand what "an entry level job is?""

I think we all do. However, do you not understand that while these corporations are giving gigantic increases to their CEOs that you are then paying (out of your tax dollars) to give their employees food stamps and health care?

How does that make any sense? I thought repubs were concerned over how their taxes are spent.

Lets use some common sense here. Until employees at these corporations are compensated enough to be off food stamps and medicaid, none of these CEOs should be paid. Especially huge bonuses.

It only makes sense. Think about it.

Lightbearer
Brigham City, UT

Re: "Does anyone understand what 'an entry level job is?'"

If someone loses his job, people say he should take any job he can get. Often minimum wage jobs are the only jobs available, but if he takes one, then people criticize him for having an entry level job. If he simply must take such lowly work, and it doesn't pay enough for him to live on, then he should get a second and a third job. Then, while working three full-time jobs he should somehow "improve his skill set," so that he can get a higher-paying position.

Forbes:

"According to a recent survey ... Millenials really are most likely to be employed in service industry jobs. So, all those jokes about post-graduation latte pouring and t-shirt folding haven't been in vain. And while it might be comforting to think of these jobs as necessary way stations on the path to an upwardly mobile future ... there's mounting evidence that the American labor market may never return to its pre-recession composition. The future is already here and it brings with it low-wage temporary or contract work as a way of life."

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

"The bottom line is without a college education to get higher paying jobs people don't have a chance, there are few jobs that pay a decent wage without a degree."

And yet... The stats show that those who are the highest unemployed are recent college grads. So what's the point of getting yourself thousands in debt when you won't have a job once you graduate?

Here in America we don't have an education problem. We have a problem with corporations completely gouging the American public. We are being taken to the cleaners. When will we wake up?

This isn't a R or D issue. But an American worker issue. The time has come. Enough is enough!

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Not to mention these so called job creators drain the economy more than any person on food stamps does.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"Walmart employs about 2.1 million people, 2/3 of them in the U.S. Its 2012 revenue was 3x's that of Apple and 15x's that of McDonald's.

A study in Wisconsin by the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce determined that a typical Walmart store costs taxpayers over $1.7 million/yr, or about $5,815 per employee.

Four members of the Walmart family made a combined $20 BILLION from their investments last year. Less than half of that would have given every U.S. Walmart worker a $3/hr raise."
(Paul Buchheit, lead creator of Gmail)

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

On the topic of recent college grads having a high degree of unemployment, the new reality is that grads not finding a job in their field are offered internships that give both employee and employer a look at a prospective career/prospective employee. This seems a great option for both sides, but here again things went astray. The Supreme Court ruled this past term that employers were taking advantage of interns by asking them to do work to benefit the company but without pay. The Court had to set rules to assure that interns were not being taken advantage of by unscrupulous employers who hire unpaid interns instead of full time employees. The government is the only referee that can prevent the abuses this letter and the comments review. The government shouldn't compete with the private sector, but their is no other or better referee for job market abuses.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

The LDS Church had a great idea: to develop our own co-operative industrial system in the then "State of Deseret". I wish that had worked out but too many chose to go outside the system to buy products either more prestigious or of a cheaper quality. One day I expect to see that system of home manufactures given another try.

Similarly we are concerned about how WalMart treats its employees and the apparent fact that it could afford to pay them substantially more. Nevertheless we are forgetting, it seems, that Walmart is the biggest retailer of "Made in China" goods in the country. A better solution would be to decrease our American corporate tax, currently the highest in the world, so we could compete with Chinese manufactures and bring industry home. We could, in this and other ways, "level the playing field" so that home productions could thrive. Paul, and I believe Romney, would or might have encouraged such a policy, though I think Romney's general economic policy lacked sufficient specifics.

Then again Americans could, if they really wanted, begin by buying "Made in America" where there is still an American product to be had.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Problem is, we, the people, don’t have any control over the people who decide who pays taxes.

If we, the people, can get control of our government by clearing away the obstacles of our voting and removing the effect of business, we may be able to improve our status and happiness.

A better plan would be for the government to hire all who wanted a job and at a rate that makes the American dream possible. The cost of the program to be paid for not by the CEOs but by a flat rate on all of business operations.

Business would have the choice to pay the tax or hire the people at a rate greater than the government pay. Either way we would have full employment and a booming economy.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:Gildas
" A better solution would be to decrease our American corporate tax, currently the highest in the world, so we could compete with Chinese manufactures and bring industry home."

The U.S. has higher statutory tax rates, but lower "effective" tax rates than many countries.

The U.S. corporate tax burden is smaller than average for developed countries. Corporations in 19 of the member states of the OECD paid 16.1% of their profits in taxes between 2000 and 2005, on average, while corporations in the U.S. paid 13.4%.

The U.S. tax code offers so many deductions, credits, and other mechanisms by which corporations can reduce their taxes, the actual percentage of profits that U.S. corporations pay in taxes or what analysts refer to as their effective tax rate is not high, compared to other developed countries.
(CBPP)

Manufacturing jobs are in China (India and other countries) due to wage rates (less than $2.00/hr) NOT corporate tax rates.

David
Centerville, UT

Dane, it isn't "fraud" when a corporation pays it CEO, regardless of the amount or the increase. It also isn't fraud that a corporation pays its employees, even if their pay is very little.

Rather, I think you mean to say "poor management" and "poor decision making". But not fraud.

Rather than suggesting that corporations pay for food stamps or other government entitlement programs, why don't you stop buying things at McDonalds and Walmart? I am sure if enough people showed their displeasure in these huge, grossly overpaid salaries to CEOs by not purchasing things from such businesses, that there will be a greater and more immediate impact and change.

Lilly Munster
netherlands, 00

WallMart, Halliburton, Bain Capital. How can any honest citizen find justice, equality or a living wage when these Vulture Capitalists OWN the most lobbyists, and OWN the most Politicians? What would it take to return power and opportunity to the working class?

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