Published: Friday, Aug. 30 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Every woman, regardless whether she wants a small, medium or large family, needs
to plan her pregnancies. Pregnancy puts a lot of stress on a woman --
physically and emotionally. For a woman's physical and emotional
well-being, pregnancies need to be spaced at least 2-3 years apart to give her
body time to recover from the last pregnancy and delivery before starting
another. Any closer together than that can cause some real problems for her.Another idea -- if she wants a large family, why not have two biological
children (to replace the parents) and then adopt one or more of the many
children who do not have parents. That would be a win-win decision for all
involved (especially the children who would then have homes). Just a thought.
Having a large family is an equally valid choice, but it is shunned throughout
most of the US and much of the world. Perhaps we need billboards assuring its OK
to have a large family. I bet Susan Soleil and the UPEC members would be up in
arms at billboards promoting large families.Perhaps everyone should
MYOB and we wouldn't have some people insulting other for their choice of
Had my wife and I used someone else's idea of what kind of income we needed
to raise children, we would have limited ourselves to one child. Seven of our
children would not have been born. Seven lives would not have been invited to
experience mortality. Seven spouses would not have married into our family.
Many grandchildren would not have been born. The wonders (and sorrows) of life
would have been missed.I would have stayed in a job that provided
for one child. I would never have "streched" my knowledge and abilities
until I was able to provide for eight children. I would have missed out on the
miracles that happen when we walk by faith.Some of our children have
large families. Some have chosen to limit their families. That is their
choice. My wife and I do not meddle in the "family planning" of our
children.The billboard is just another "signs of the times"
that were prophesied. God does not use billboards to remind us of covenants,
instead, He sends the Holy Spirit to teach and advise, to answer those very
personal questions that parents ask.
Too many people don't plan.
"...Utah Population and Environment Coalition talked with young people who
told us they had not heard that it was OK to plan a small family."It's all in the wording. My teenage sons have been told that family size
is up to them and their future spouse, but especially take into consideration
their wife's feelings since it effects her body. I just asked them is it OK
to plan a small family. They shrugged their shoulders and said basically, I
don't know yet, I'm not married yet. So, it's a decision
they'll make with their spouse. Would that be taken as a "no"
answer? Were you asking young singles? Ask young married couples.In
her use of words, the letter writer makes us believe that most of us are not
smart enough (like her and her coalition) to have "gasp" planned ahead
to have more than 2 children. I'm sure she means well, but when someone
comes across as more enlightened then us other silly parents, it's just
insulting. My children will have as many children as they think is appropriate
It is ok to plan. And it's important to not let anyone else usurp your
choices in life.
Gee Mike Richards, thanks for another sermon.It's okay to plan.
It's okay to have smaller families. Modern life is complicated and
expensive. Does somehow having eight children make you better than me for
having five? Or make me better than someone having two? Eight children was
your choice. You claim it made you a better person. Fine. That doesn't
make the rest of us inferior to you.Even the LDS Church has stated
that it's okay to plan- that it's up to the husband and wife to
decided what they can handle physically, financially and emotionally. You seem
to be stuck in a time from 30 or 40 years ago (or 100 years ago). Even if you
don't want understand that some things are different today than when you
got married and began having a family, quit sermonizing to the rest of us.
Oh oh, quiet everyone, someone in Kerns is developing an inferiority complex!
Give me a break! I enjoyed the Mike "sermon", much more then I cared for
the Cinncinatus sermon...but I'm sure thats not a big surprise. Funny how
some are so obvious about the double standard? I also think you might want to
brush up on the LDS doctrinal view of family planning. Technically you're
probably not wrong, but much more to it then what your trying to claim.
Don't mislead, I've never heard a prophet say, that the idea of
multiply and replenish has been revoked. Kind of suggests that the issue is not
just up to our own self centered feelings...there is some responsibility
involved, along with person genuine faithful inspiration. Excellent comments by
@Mike Richards South Jordan, UtahSome of our children have
large families. Some have chosen to limit their families. That is their choice.
My wife and I do not meddle in the "family planning" of our children.======== And that's all this billboard is saying.It's none of yours or anyone else's business.BTW -
Mike, I saw a Salt Lake Newspaper from 1863 at the Church History Library
Wednesday.Top Headline banner -- Brigham Young said -
and I quote - the Mormon Motto is:"Mind your own business"
@HaHaHaHaYour screen name reflects what your comments made me do.I'm just an individual who grows tired of certain people declaring
that their personal and religious philosophy is best for everyone and gives
Sunday sermons about it here on the comment boards."Technically
you're probably not wrong, but much more to it then what your trying to
claim. Don't mislead, I've never heard a prophet say, that the idea of
multiply and replenish has been revoked."I never stated that any
prophet of the LDS Church stated that that commandment was revoked. But, from
the Church's own website:"When husband and wife are
physically able, they have the privilege and responsibility to bring children
into the world and to nurture them. The decision of how many children to have
and when to have them is a private matter for the husband and wife."So, "technically" I'm not wrong- but then you decided to
put words in my mouth and accused me of misleading. That reflects more on you
than me. But, what do I know- I'm just from Kearns and apparently have an
@CincinnatusKearns, UTLDS church website:"The
decision of how many children to have and when to have them is a private matter
for the husband and wife."======= Thank you. - I
tried 4 times a few days ago, but was "denied".?Meanwhile
– I was attacked for supporting the LDS Brethren, not once, but twice
– and NEVER said ZERO pollution or "Don't have children..."
another half-baked, twisted lie.proof:KoraCedar
Hills, UTLDS liberal- What you are saying is that you are LDS, but
oppose the LDS Church when it has advocated for large families, and actually
think the leaders have been wrong in this area. That doesn't add up to
me.• 4:28 p.m. Aug. 26, 20132 bitsCottonwood
Heights, UTLDS Liberal,He instructed his Adam to "multiply and
replenish the earth". I don't think that was a zero-growth instruction.
And I don't remember him changing his mind on that.When you
say, "Don't have children"... are we encouraging what he made this
earth for? Or when you say, "Don't have children"... are you
fighting AGAINST his expressed purpose for this earth?•10:18
p.m. Aug. 26, 2013
The billboard smacks of bigotry toward one group. It was meant to grab peoples
attention and get greater publicity. And what better way to do that than
a-slap-a-mormon-in-the-face-campaign.Everyone wants people to be
smart about having a family but too many people don't have children because
they want to play instead. Children require work and its stressful and it keeps
you from going to Hawaii every year because you have to get a minivan instead of
a motorcycle. This type of attitude is the problem, not peoples desire to have
a large family. As far as who this campaign should be directed to
is high school students who don't abstain from sex and end up with a kid.
But instead of telling kids to wait until they get married and encouraging
marriage and a family they mainly just encourage sexual activity with no
responsibility. It doesn't work and its obvious as I see more and more
young women with out a man to support their child come into my office in the
worst form of poverty.
You all seem to be forgetting something... planning means things like using
birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies. You know what unwanted
pregnancies often lead to? Abortions. This campaign helps reduce abortions by
working to prevent the most common thing that leads to one. But you pro-lifers
are too busy advocating quiverful nonsense to pay attention to it.
@ Cinncinatus Thanks for your second sermon...love that double
standard. I know your morals and standards are more important and valuable then
the rest of us! I didn't even use this word in my first post, but thanks
for reminding me. It is a COMMANDMENT! Doesn't mean it is something we obey
when we feel like it, or if it is convenient, or self-centeredly decide on our
own. It means we make these decisions with the input of divine guidance, to help
us know we have kept the commandment, not just satisfied our own feelings on the
matter. Yeah we all have freedom to decide to follow the commandments...or not,
and I may be coming down hard on your expression, but it seems to me that
"it's okay to plan- that it's up to the husband and wife"
(your language), is at least a slight variation and misleading to the idea of
following a commandment.
@4word thinker:"Having a large family is an equally valid choice, but
it is shunned throughout most of the US and much of the world."Not so. There are societies/relgions in the world that emphasize large
families. Because they know that, over time, ethnicities with large families
will eventually take over the world. Currently, the US families are less than
replacement size. What does that tell us about the future of WASPS in the
US?"Perhaps we need billboards assuring its OK to have a large
family."That'd be a start.
I just love how self-righteous some of these comments are. It just warms the
cockles of my heart.
Look at how many people are telling us to mind our own business, as if they had
the right to tell us anything.Those who don't have the
"faith" to let our Creator send them children will still receive all the
"blessings" of having no children or just one or two. We and our
children are the reason that the earth was created. Children are entitled to a
life. Our Creator will not forget those who willing welcomed a child or many
children into their homes. If those who are willing to live by faith and are
willing to listen, the Creator will help them determine how many children should
be welcomed into their home and He will help them find a way to care for those
children.Implying that a billboard is significant demeans our whole
purpose of living. We are alive because OUR parents had the courage to invite
us into mortality. Had they not had that courage, we would not be here (to
argue the point or to tell others that they have no right to speak).
Ah.... the pre dominant religion.Wonder if some of the most vociferous
commenters on this subject are the teachers in classes on Sunday at the Churches
they attend?Years ago, I tried the Church thing, and was frightened away
by those teachers who were unable to see that not everyone, everywhere, thought
their opinion was the answer to all that was wrong on the planet.
@LDS Liberal:"What you are saying is that you are LDS, but oppose the
LDS Church when it has advocated for large families, and actually think the
leaders have been wrong in this area. That doesn't add up to me."Three religions who advocate large families... LDS, Muslim, and
Catholic. And why's that? Because that is a sure way to grow the rolls of
the church. Who is currently following that advocation? Basically only the
Muslims. Who will rule the world one day with that advocation? Muslims.
@Miss PiggiePheonix, AZ@LDS Liberal:"What you are
saying is that you are LDS, but oppose the LDS Church when it has advocated for
large families, and actually think the leaders have been wrong in this area.
That doesn't add up to me."Three religions who advocate
large families... LDS, Muslim, and Catholic. Because that is a sure way to grow
the rolls of the church. Who is currently following that advocation? Basically
only the Muslims. Who will rule the world one day with that advocation?
Muslims.4:33 p.m. Aug. 30, 2013========= Huh?Your comment is either anti-Mormon, anti-Muslim, or both.The LDS Church advocates the importance of "families",
period.I don't recall anything about narrowing it down to only LARGE
families.Mormon Myth #217 - busted.
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