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Published: Thursday, Aug. 29 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"... faith in God, which is the foundation of all virtues, ..."

--- Criminy; another "all values come from god" letter. You don't need "god" in order to have values. You don't need "faith" to be a good person.

Why don't you try taking a little "personal responsibility" for a change. God isn't the end-all, be-all you seem to think. YOU have the power to do good. YOU have the ability to be a "moral" person with all the good "virtues" one would find in such a person.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

Is it our faith in God that is missing, or God's faith in us...just wondering.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

OK, fine, let's talk about "faith."

Faith in which God? You know there are many from which to choose, right?

Why is your faith in your deity any different than the faith of ancient Greeks in Zeus? Or the Hindus in Shiva? Or the ancient Norse in Odin?

Why am I supposed to have faith in an invisible, omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient entity that capriciously answers a bride's prayers for nice weather at her wedding, but doesn't answer the prayers of people being killed by earthquakes or a parent's prayer that their sick child recovers from leukemia?

And why does this God of yours so constantly require worshiping? Your God created the universe and is all-powerful, yet so insecure about himself that he requires endless adoration, _and_ my money?

You have the right to believe whatever you want, including things for which there is zero objective evidence and against which there are mountains of objective evidence. It's a free country - knock yourself out.

But you may NOT expect a nation organized under the rule of law to implement public policies in response to your personal religious beliefs. No. Not ever.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

“faith in God, which is the foundation of all virtues”

The most pernicious and enduring lie of the last 3000 years.

It would easy to point out why this is so – moral precursors found in animal behavior, the countless virtuous non-believers throughout history and today, the fact that human beings survived for millennia prior to religion being invented, the list goes on and on and on – but the sad fact is the letter writer is simply a product of 3000 years of deep conditioning.

It’s almost as if the inventors of religion knew that someday people would lose their credulity and no longer buy all their stories and superstitions; and that when that time came (it has been building steadily over the last 400 years) they would need something else to hang their proverbial hat on.

Morality… that’s the ticket!

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Actually faith in God is absolutely NOT the basis of all virtues.
I've known more than a few Atheists who have better morals, virtues and ethics than many religious people I know.
Many wars are over religious so-called "virtues".

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

“faith in God, which is the foundation of all virtues”

I could've sworn the state with the lowest crime rates was the state with the highest percentage of atheists (New Hampshire).

gmlewis
Houston, TX

The Light of Christ influences every person, whether they believe in a deity or not. Generally we are not conscious of this influence, but perceive it as our concience. We are also influenced by the mores of our family, socieity, etc. How we choose to respond to this Light of Christ combined with thess mores determines what each of us considers moral behavior. The Light of Christ is fundamental to morality.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

So far folks have summed up what my response would be nicely...

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

The required worship is a key element that has never made sense. "Worship God behavior" and all it entails observed by organized religion, leads us to so many unanswered questions. It is surprising it is not discussed more frequently.
Why does "God" need kneel down worship, songs, stories, movies, books, TV, Radio, periodical "worship"? Why would "He" require this? Always....worship, worship. What does this say about such a "King"?
One must admit, this is a constant reminder to the worship commanded by "evil, cruel, violent, murderous" Kings throughout the history of our world. Just think for a minute about those Royals! They commanded "this worship" by each and every one of their subjects.
If God is as wonderful as portrayed by modern religions, he would be a humble individual with no need for such adulation. He would be content at seeing his good works emulated by the world's population.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@gmlewis – “The Light of Christ influences every person, whether they believe in a deity or not… The Light of Christ is fundamental to morality.”

Wait… so belief doesn’t matter now?

Because the story I got as a kid was we have to know Christ (the person) and believe all the sacred books and doctrines otherwise we will be miserable for all eternity. Belief was definitely part of the equation… in fact it was fundamental.

So now I’m confused - either our eternal happiness will be a based on our behavior (how moral we are) or it will be based on what we believe. Which is it?

If you say both then what’s the (eternal) point of a non-believer being moral? [Which is in fact what Christianity has been teaching for 2000 years – there is no point, non-believers are damned.]

If your “Light of Christ” hypothesis is true then a moral agnostic/atheist (and there are and have been lots of them) must have a place in the afterlife that doesn’t involve eternal torture.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

I am an atheist, 44 years old, wife of 20 years, 3 wonderful children, great job, beautiful home, vacation house, all the toys.

I don't give money to charities, but find out what they need and purchase it for them to the tune of 15-20k each year.

I have donated to my Alma Mater Washington State, have all the friends I need, and our future is fantastic.

I am not spiraling negatively in any fashion.

May I ask you for some proof that a God...ANY God-- actually exists?

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

To Mike in Sandy.

I am happy for you that you have achieved a wonderful life and for your community spirit. I recognize that all your possessions and status while wonderful are potentially temporary. Spouses, children, position, relationships and health are not cast in concrete but can be fleeting.

In an instant my wife was killed in an accident, health can turn on a dime. As to God, instead of letting others do the heavy lifting, why don't you ask for yourself?

gmlewis
Houston, TX

Responding to No Fit in SG: God wants us to worship Him because He knows we will be happier if we become like Him. The only worship that makes a difference is when we emulate His attributes. My prayers consist largely in asking His help in becoming like Him, and thanking Him for that help.

Responding to Tyler D: My initial comment didn't talk about Salvation. I simply explained what influences lead a person to live a moral life. A person living in a culture that performs human sacrifice can still be moral within the context of his culture and his receptivity to the Light of Christ. After he dies, he will be taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If he accepts Christ's atonement and thereafter aligns his life with the Perfect Pattern, he will rejoice in Heaven with others who walked that same path.

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

Could this really be the DNews? A letter on religion...eleven comments and only one on side of Christianity? Next thing I will read will surely be that geneticists have perfected a hybrid porker that soars like a bird!

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Strider,

I HAVE asked. I have not received anything to hang my hat on.
Sorry to hear about your wife...
Some may ask.." If there IS a God, why does he let war happen? How come people are murdered? Why are there horrible things that happen every day?"

I choose to be be spiritual, and find great comfort knowing that I live properly, don't break the law, help those in need when I can, and live as treat others as I would like to be treated.

Jesus is believed to have said and done many great things. Buddha is reported to have said:
"Only in the absence of hatred can there be peace." I agree. I'm sure Jehovah, Allah, Vishu, and all other "Gods" have their particular draw and followers. Great.

I am the happiest and most spiritually satisfied man I know.
I wish you all well.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Jerry Seinfeld to George Costanza: "Don't you believe in God?"

George: "Yeah... for the BAD things."

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Grover
"A letter on religion...eleven comments and only one on side of Christianity? "

Not exactly. For instance, I'm a Christian, I just don't think we're a theocracy. That's not anti-Christian.

Phranc
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I will take values based on compassion and reason over someones shifting notion of a God that never seems to disagree with them any day.

redshirt007
tranquility base, 00

While I have faith, I find the statement pretty erroneous.

"The biggest consumer, Utah, averaged 5.47 adult content subscriptions per 1000 home broadband users" Ya, that's pornography subscriptions where they actually paid for access.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Let's all remember --

The terrorists who flew those planes into the World Trade Center 9/11
did so in God's name.

If only people did the GOOD things God tells us to do,
ANY God,
we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.

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