Published: Tuesday, Aug. 27 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Well considering barack said premiums would not increase at all for middle class
americans...and they are
How affordable is health care when you can't afford insurance or have a pre
The headline poses an excellent question. One some seem to feel doesn't
matter.We are on our way to a fiscal disaster, but nobody seems to
care. As long as they get more free stuff, or a political win out of it.
Obamacare was designed to fail from the outset. The Dear Leader's
socialist agenda is loud and clear. He wants a one-payer health system that
Is $98 for a bag of saline affordable? That is the standard hospital charge for
a bag of saline, which is less than $1 to produce.Then there is the $127
fee the hospital charges to administer the bag of saline to the patient.The better question is how can we not afford republicare (if you're being
honest you will acknowledge that 'Obamacare' was the republican's
plan in the 90s)?
Ernest T. Bass,RE: "Is $98 for a bag of saline
affordable"?And what exactly in ObamaCare changes that? It
doesn't! It only changes who pays for it. There's not one
regulation in the bill that changes what something costs.When are
you going to acknowledge that ObamaCare does NOTHING to change what anything
Well, first of all, Obamacare has hardly even begun, just let Mr. Marxism and
the Democrats have a few years on this beast and the cost is goign to skyrocket.
Only fools and the hopelessly naive believe healthcare costs are not going to go
through the roof with this abominable piece of freedom and money stealing
legislation. Obama should be put in jail for his lies about this law, and Harry
Reid and Nancy Pelosi and a herd of Democrats should go with him.
The closer we get to October 1st, when Utahns can start shopping for coverage on
the new insurance marketplace (heathcare.gov), the more people will realize that
Obamacare offers better options for getting insured. First, the private
insurance available on Utah marketplace is going to be affordable. Last week the
Utah Dept. of Insurance announced that at a 27 year-old resident of Salt Lake
County will pay as little as $162/month for the middle-range private insurance
on the new marketplace. A 40 year-old will pay as little as $173/month. This is
private insurance offered by SelectHealth, Altius, Humana, etc. And those prices
are before the premium subsidies that will make insurance more affordable for
270,000 Utahns. Second, the marketplace insurance will be
high-quality--covering maternity care, hospitalization, and prescription drugs.
Plus, after January 1st, insurance companies can no longer deny coverage because
of a pre-existing condition, or charge women more than men. No more lifetime
caps on benefits, and more free preventative care like flu shots and well-child
checks. This is the real Obamacare.
Is Obamacare affordable? I am far less worried about the increasing health
insurance premiums as I am about the inevitable fraud and abuses of Obamacare.
Right now, anyone can sign up for taxpayer subsidized healthcare on the
"honor system" according to Obama! No oversight, no system to catch the
cheaters and millions of Americans and illegal aliens will cheat the system and
that will NOT be affordable! Millions of employers are already struggling with
the mandates which will only exacerbate the problem. Having the government in
your doctor's office with you will be very expensive because there will be
no limits or system to catch the overbilling the fraudulent claims which all
together will cost taxpayers trillions! Some say Obamacare is designed to fail
because Americans will demand a single payer system which will not solve the
abuses at all, it just consolidates them. Does anyone think the food stamp
program is full of abuses and fraud? You have not seen anything yet but you
What's affordable is a single payer system that pays half as much like
One (of many) of the problems with Obamacare is that many young people will
choose to NOT purchase healthcare. As will many who could get subsidies. They
will simply choose to pay the penalty.This, of course, will simply
keep the rates for all the rest of us skyrocketing. Also, exactly WHO is
subsidizing? The answer, obviously, is ALL of us who do purchase health
insurance!Obamacare is a system designed to fail.Thats when
the REAL problems will start.
redshirt007,Ever been to the UK? Ever noticed how many people are
missing teeth? It's not just lack of oral hygiene, it's because when
you have a tooth problem, all that's covered is tooth extraction (just like
on Medicare in the US).I cant wait till we are ALL on that system!
"How can I disrespect this President? ---- Let me count the ways"The healthcare issue should have been settled in the Nixon, Ford,
Carter, or Reagan administrations, when costs could have been controlled better
and before billions went to making hospital corporations and pill pushers
rich.This is a good start -- but you can't expect a complete
mess to be fixed on the first attempt, so refinement will follow.Shame on the House Republicans for taking 40 votes to repeal it, when they
could have voted for jobs, for improvements to health care, and far more.For me, the present republican party borders on treasonous, because they
do not care for helping America (except their contributors), only for winning by
Too much private enterprise. If it is repealed next step will be total
governmental control. The conservatives will not go for the Republican plan.
Similar to train wreck of the Bush years.
A lot of my friends are getting their hours cut at their jobs. My initial take
of the Affordable Care Act isn't good even as I truly try to stay open
minded and hopeful...
@2 bit"all that's covered is tooth extraction (just like on
Medicare in the US"I love when Americans talk about a system
they actually know nothing about. You have the option of going to an NHS
dentist where there are 3 bands of payments. Band 1 (£15) will get you a
check up, X-Rays, scale polish etc, band 2 (£49), fillings, root canal,
tooth extraction, band 3 (£214), crowns, veneers, orthontics.Or you
can go to a private dentist and pay up front or have a private insurance policy
pay for it.If you are on a low income you can get cover for free.
Kids up to 18 get cover for free and pregnant women get cover for free.My NHS dentist is fine, I do have a missing molar thanks to 3 Utah dentists
who cant read an X-Ray though.
Howard Beal, be honest, if your friends are getting their hours cut at work in
order to avoid health care premiums they didn't have health care in the
first place and were all ready working part time jobs. It's rare (and
absolutely immoral) for an employer to cut someone's hours who previously
had health care so that they don't have to buy health care now. Again
employer costs are pretty much constant. All the law did was define full time
by a couple of hours lower than most businesses did previously.
Put me in the skeptics camp. Last year they also reported a "modest"
increase in insurance premiums of around 5%. My company is insured through
Aetna, one of the 3 largest providers in the country. Our premiums jumped over
50% and the other two largest providers followed suit. Other insurers
completely withdrew from the California market. My sister, employed in SLC at a
health care provider firm had their rates jump a similar amount. So first, the
numbers being reported are fiction. Second, look at all the news stories for
the entire year about employee hours being cut and spouse benefits being
eliminated, sweetheart deals for Unions (not sweet enough, they are screaming)
and certain corporations and it is impossible to believe that health care is
becoming more affordable and accessible. Finally, look to the quote from
Senator Reid who basically said, "Of course it was designed to force a
pragmatist,calling Howard a liar? what do you have to back that up other
than baseless assumptions?Forever 21 - clothing store - is doing
it; many Olive garden franchises are doing it. True, they may not now offer
insurance, but Obamacare mandates they offer it to certain employees, so they
are reducing the number of those employees. UPS is no longer offering family
coverage directly because of Obamacare. Anyone who denies that companies are
cutting back on hours and health insurance offerings as a direct result of
Obamacare are being exactly what you accuse Howard of being.
UT Brit,So why are so many Brits missing so many teeth? I noticed it a
LOT more there than I do here. Especially the elderly.I don't
know much detail about the medical system in the UK. But I do know about
Medicare in the US, and if more than a filling is needed, extraction is all
that's covered. Maybe that's why so many of the poor in America are
missing so many teeth. I don't know, but there may be a connection.
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