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  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 29, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    If you don't have a plan of your own, maybe you should keep your mouth closed! Where is the outcry? Where is your solution? Do republicans know how to do anything besides complain? Get off your High Horses and show how it is done! I didn't think so! You people are just full of hot air. And it stinks

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    "Fascist Industry"? Have you looked at Health Insurance company profits lately? Poor pity them. Of the G20, we are right up there with Russia and China as the only world economic powers that deny their citizens a plan that provides healthcare at an affordable rate and guarantees that no one goes bankrupt due to medical bills. When I travel to countries with national health insurance, I ask any natives I encounter what they think of their health plan. I 20 years I haven't found a single one who thinks their health plan is lacking...van drivers, waiters, shop owners, fellow tour participants, anyone and everyone in Europe, Canada, Australia, and South America. I guess it must be the leftist media that has spread the opposite news.

    Fascist? Get a life.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Aug. 28, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    To "Grover" and that is where the problem lies. You think that if the right people are elected that the problems will be solved. That is exactly what has caused this mess in the first place.

    First FDR capped wages, so companies started to offer insurance as an incentive to work for them.

    Next the government decided that it should be a business deduction so that more businesses would offer insurnce.

    Then, the government over the course of 40 years added mandate after mandate to insurance companies. All with the intention of "helping".

    You see, the more the government has been involved, the worse things have become, so why not get the government out of the system. Obamacare virtually eliminates any remaining capitalist ideas from insurance and turns it into a Fascist industry.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    RMitt: "People will have to fight the government system to get common sense enacted". Does that statement presume that the right to vote will be repealed? I know the projections about what the President will do to us next are hair raising, but I haven't heard that making the country a dictatorship is one of them. If the system doesn't work, we change it. If it still doesn't work we vote out the people who made it possible...it's called democracy. If your predictions are true, your side will have a chance to make the rules and make the system work well at a cost that average people can afford. It is so simple even an MITTer should be able to follow the logic.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Aug. 28, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    To "J Thompson" the reason why Obama couldn't use the case of the girl that needed the transplant was because the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network is a GOVERNMENT program. Obama couldn't use a failed or poorly operating government program as an example of bad things going on in private industry.

    If anything this case is a sneak peek of what thing wil be like under a Universal Care system. People will have to fight the government system just to get common sense enacted.

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Aug. 28, 2013 2:48 a.m.

    "Do the doctors like it?"
    "Do the hospitals like it?"
    "Do the pharmaceutical companies and their lobbyists and salesmen like it?"

    "Do the foxes like the lock on the hen house?" would be a better question.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:46 p.m.

    @JoeBlow:
    "And it was going up prior to the introduction of Obamacare."

    Not to worry... Obamacare will curb the increases. He has already told us how he would accomplish this...

    For the aged, if they need serious medical help they should just go home and take a pain killer. Pain killers are relatively cheep.

    Secondly, he will dictate what doctors, hospitals, and other medical professions will be paid. Something like Medicare does today.

    @J Thompson:
    "The poor in America cannot affort that TAX. There is a reason that they don't have health insurance. They can't affort it."

    The poor will not have to, or will not elect to, pay the tax. In fact, they will get federal subsidies to help them buy insurance.

    "Obama told us that ObamaCare would save each family $2,500 per year."

    Obama has told us alot of lies.

    @Eric Samuelsen:
    "If look at the plan sensibly, and ignore conservative smoke-screens about how the bill's page length or some such irrelevancy, you'll find much to admire."

    If you're an older person and are denied healthcare because your useful years have long since passed, you're gonna hate Obamacare.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    @Roland Kayser:
    "In return, everyone is required to purchase a policy."

    Not so. But those who choose to not purchase a policy will be assessed a tax (penalty).

    If few buy insurance and elect to pay the penalty, the entire program will go broke. And who won't be buying insurance? Young people who generally don't need it. And who will be buying insurance? The aged and those with expensive preexisting conditions. Hence, insurance companies' revenue will dry up and the outgo will skyrocket.

    "States are setting up health insurance exchanges..."

    Nor so. Many states are opting out.

    "It is the model for Romneycare in Mass."

    Only one problem... Romneycare is a state (Massachusetts) program. There is nothing in the US Constitution that allows the federal government to get involved in healthcare/health insurance.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    Obamacare had NOTHING to do with the 12 yo's lung transplant. Was the girl denied because of cost or because she didn't have insurance? NO

    It had to do with regulations involving transplantation. Lung transplants are among the most riskiest and difficult transplant operations with a 5 yr survival of 50-50. Only about 1 in 5 lungs from deceased donors is viable for transplantation. Adult lungs don't fit well in children's bodies and that makes it hard to transplant them. You are looking at using a piece of lung instead of a whole lung, and that makes it makes it a more difficult procedure and less likely to work. Lungs are very fragile and don't travel very well so the transplant teams look to see who is closest to where the donor is. It's the odds of success that they're looking at.
    (USA Today)

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    @J Thompson
    SPRINGVILLE, UT

    Why didn't Obama use that case to show that ObamaCare cared about little girls who were dying because they couldn't get the help they needed?
    [Because that would be "grandstanding", and it is truly unethical.]

    Why did a federal court have to become involved?
    [Because that is how our Government process works]

    If Obama believed in ObamaCare, he would certainly have made a few phone calls to straighten things out, but he did nothing. He stood back - and you applaud him.
    [How do you know he didn't?]

    That's pathetic.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    ABC News reported about the little girl: "We didn't know if she would live, and the system was up against us," Janet Murnaghan said outside her home Tuesday, where she and her husband Fran spoke to reporters."

    "They went to federal court to challenge national transplant rules that put children like Sarah at the end of the waiting list for adult lungs. Yet Sarah did not qualify for the adolescent list, which is for children 12 and up."

    "A federal judge intervened, forcing the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network — the private nonprofit group that manages U.S. organ allocation — to add Sarah to the adult list."

    ---

    Why didn't Obama use that case to show that ObamaCare cared about little girls who were dying because they couldn't get the help they needed? Why did a federal court have to become involved? If Obama believed in ObamaCare, he would certainly have made a few phone calls to straighten things out, but he did nothing. He stood back - and you applaud him.

    That's pathetic. Any other President would have moved heaven and earth to help that little girl.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    @RedShirtMIT

    "...The problem is that the liberal politicians and media will spin any disaster to be the fault of the Republicans...".

    So...it's no problem for republican politicians and republican media (foxnews) to spin any disaster to be the fault of the Democrats?

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Aug. 27, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    To "Grover" the reason why conservatives don't want it to go into effect isn't because of the "I told you so" moment. The problem is that the liberal politicians and media will spin any disaster to be the fault of the Republicans (eventhough Republicans voted against it). Then, the sheeple will blindly follow the media and their favored liberal leaders and tell the people that they need even more power and to make things even bigger. They will promise to get it right the next time. That cycle is repeated over and over again until the system collapses.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    Many of the posts above tell us that no one knows what is in the "2000 pages of gibberish" (Richards) and then the rest of the posts from their side of the aisle go into great detail explaining exactly what is in it and how bad it is. Why not save the rest of us time and explain it to one another so you at least think you know what you are talking about.

    Several posts delineate how the law is making price go up when they have been doing that for the past 20 years and are the very reason an alternative is needed. They also ignore that it does not take effect until next year.

    PS. All of the right wingers who agree with the letter writer: Why are you so afraid to let the law take effect and go on ad nauseam about the world ending if it does? If it is a train wreck, you most likely can walk your candidate into the White House and your will have an eternal "I told you so"! If you are wrong, so long Marco, Bobby, Rand, Ted, Jeb & Rick and Hello Hillary...even better hello liberal Supreme Court!

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    "Speak up and let us be heard loud and clear. Obamacare is an abomination, and we don't want it."

    Don't speak for me, please. I can do my own talking.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    Darlene;

    Please speak for yourself. You don't want it. I, and many others do.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Aug. 27, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    Truthseeker 10:59 a.m.:

    I already told Mike that that story about the girl and the lung transplant had nothing to do with Obamacare, but he still likes to peddle that line. Guess he thinks that repeating a lie often enough will make it true.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Aug. 27, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    It's funny watching people here trying to rewrite history. Obama received more votes in his elections than Bush did in his and he's the first president since Eisenhower to receive at least 51% of the vote twice. The vast majority of election winners only get a few points over the 50% mark. Even when Reagan was reeelcted by a landslide in 1984, he only got 58%.

    If pretending that the 2010 election is the one that "really matters" makes you feel better, that's your right, but it doesn't change the facts: if the American people were so outraged over Obama, they could have thrown him out of office last year. Not only did they keep him for a second term, but they increased the Democratic majority in the Senate.

    The ACA is here to stay, guys. Time to deal with it.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    Re: Support for Obamacare

    Not only does the re-election of President Obama suggest support for Obamacare, we also should consider the results of the 2012 races in the House and Senate, because virtually all Democrats in both bodies supported Obamacare.

    In the House, Democratic representatives won 60.3 million votes nationally, compared with 58.5 million for Republicans.

    In the Senate, Democratic senators won 50 million votes nationally, compared with 39.1 million for Republicans--a landslide.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    marathonman,
    If Medicare for all is so great... why aren't Congress and the President on Medicare right now? Because what they have today is WAY better than Medicare, that's why. Do you think they are going to give it up? I don't. So it may be "Medicare for MOST" at best. But it will never by "Medicare for all".

    I don't care if people oppose the bill because it's not liberal enough or because they see it as too much government in their lives. They see it as bad legislation. And bad legislation is bad legislation. People who know what's in the bill, know it has so many rules, and regulations, and exceptions to the rules, and loopholes for special circumstances and special groups... that it's impossible to manage. THAT... is the definition of "Bad Legislation" IMO.

    I think we should either go to like you said, "Medicare for all" plain and simple, or not. This half-way kinda-partly nationalized system of laws, but you can get out of SOME of them IF you meet a long list of rules and loopholes... is bad and unmanageable government.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Funny --

    48% do not favor the ACA.
    while 42% do favor the ACA.

    Which the skewed and disingenuous conclusion draw by the ultra-con shills.

    The devil is in the details:

    50% of the same Democrats who go alone with Republicans in not liking the law, don't like AS-IS and want it expanded!

    So - rephrase the question...

    Do we as Americans want the Democrats plan of doing something, anything?!
    or
    The Republicans plan of do nothing, repeal and replace "with nothing", go back to the same old same old?

    Propose something, and let's hear it...
    But the whining and complaining without an alternative is just 2 year olds throwing temper tantrums.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    2 bit,

    Your source for the presidential election results contained this note: "Last updated on Nov. 19. Full certified results not available until January." That's why your numbers are wrong. Besides, your 50.6 percent for Obama and 49.4 for Romney total up to 100 percent, which didn't take into consideration those who voted for candidates of minor parties.

    Click on: official 2012 presidential election results The pdf file that comes up has a lot of detail.

    Yes, President Obama's margin of victory by nearly 5 million and 3.9 percentage points wasn't huge, but it was greater than that of any Republican presidential victor since 1988. And the electoral count was Obama 332 and Romney 206. Not close.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Aug. 27, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    To "Kent C. DeForrest" how is Obamacare better than what we had for the past 50 years?

    It is more expensive, and doesn't cover everybody who isn't currently insured.

    The ACA has caused many people to lose coverage.

    The ACA has also caused many people to have work hours cut back.

    If a universal healthcare system is what you want, look at the disaster in England or France or Germany (Yes, German healthcare is a disaster).

    What good do you see in it because everything that has resulted from it has been quite bad so far.

    To "JoeBlow" the problem isn't that costs keep rising, the problem is that the ACA was sold as a cost cutting measure. So, even if costs increased by 1%, that only proves the ACA was a failure because it did not cut costs.

    We don't need to replace Obamacare, we need to deregulate health insurance.

    To "LDS Liberal" you are wrong on all accounts.

    There never has been a majority supporting Obamacare, so complaints have come from everywhere.

    Doctors don't like it because it cuts medicare reimbursements.

    Insurance companies hate it (I have relatives in the insurance business)

    Nobody likes it.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    Where's the outcry against the implementation of Obamacare?
    [Only of AM talk radio]

    Do the doctors like it?
    [Yes]

    Do the hospitals?
    [Yes]

    Do the insurance companies?
    [Yes. absolutely Yes!]

    Do the states?
    [Most of them - Yes. All of them, No. Guess which ones do and don't?]

    Does the majority of U.S. citizens like it?
    [Yes]

    Where's the fight for common sense?
    [The fight is over, Common Sense won. Get over yourself.]

  • marathonman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    "10-15% of people oppose Obamacare but oppose it because they think it's not liberal enough" AMEN. It's understandable how some folks like the writer believe Americans agree with her. The most disengenuous and oft-repeated line on yell radio day after day after day is that the American people don't want Obamacare - even though all the commentators understand they are leaving a false impression.

    Millions (like me) think the eventual solution has to be Romney/Obamacare on steroids -- a single-payer, Medicare-for-all solution. Until then, I'll take Obamacare, which is providing life-saving options for my son who otherwise would have no option -- except to show up at an emergency room when it's probably too late, and leave everyone else with the bill anyway.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    Most people actually do want change in the health care system. It came in the form of Obama Care. That fact that no one agrees about it means there will be amendments and compromise at it fleshes out.
    I WANT a national health care system. For those I love, and for those I dont' know. I want people to be healthy and happy. It can be done. Obama care won't be the same in 10 years, mark my words, it will be molded. NOT repealed.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    @J Thompson
    "costs went up"

    Obamacare has mostly not gone into effect yet. The largest parts of it (exchanges, subsidies, etc) go into effect in 2014.

    The effects of Obamacare on cost the past three years have been minimal as expected (overall costs have increased at a very slow rate, slowest in half a century, but that's mostly recession effects rather than Obamacare which has had little effect so far).

    @2bit
    "I don't like polls because you can make a poll that will say whatever you want it to say, but there are polls that indicate the majority of Americans don't like ObamaCare. "

    The current Real Clear Politics polling average has support at 39.0 and opposition at 51.0. But here's the catch... around 10-15% of people oppose Obamacare but oppose it because they think it's not liberal enough (this was an extra question CNN asks, whether they oppose it from the right or left). So a plurality if not an outright majority oppose it... but a plurality if not an outright majority support it or think it needs to be more liberal so neither side has an obvious edge in context.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    I can sure tell who in this forum has never been sick, denied coverage, or has had to deal with a medical emergency. Obamacare, if you think you can go back your ignorant or a liar. We clearly need to go forward and adopt HR676. Healthcare is not, I repeat, not a commodity to be bought and traded on Wall Street, despite what the corporatists would have you believe.

  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    Steve C. Warren,
    I don't know what your source was. Maybe you'll give it to us so we can check it.

    I goggled "2012 election margin" and clicked the "2012 Presidential Election Results - The Washington Post" link. Seemed like a good source to me.

    But I don't care which number is correct. Neither show "the people did speak loud and clear".

    50.6% is a majority, but not a landslide. 51.1% is also not a landslide. Whichever number is correct... it doesn't indicate everybody in America wants ObamaCare.

    I don't like polls because you can make a poll that will say whatever you want it to say, but there are polls that indicate the majority of Americans don't like ObamaCare.

    I'm just saying... you can't derive from a close presidential election (~1% margin whichever number you use) that everybody wants ObamaCare.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    re:MikeRichards
    "Obama told us that there would be no "death panel" that had the power to decline services to Americans. That was a lie. The little 10-year-old who needed a transplant was denied services"

    That had NOTHING to do with Obamacare.

    Transplant rules were established and administered by OPTN, the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network, created by Congress in 1984 which operates as an independent nonprofit group under federal contract to manage transplant needs. Rules prohibited adult organs to be used for children, at least in part because it was not known the suitability of adult organs for children.

    The costs of coverage will vary from state-to-state. In some states, such as New York, costs will be lower.

    re:LostinDC
    UT has favored a bare-bones approach: It only sells to small businesses and covers 7,646 residents. The Utah exchange, known as Avenue H, usually has only two or three employees. It does not interface with the state’s Medicaid program like the federal law envisions, nor does it provide expansive consumer assistance services.

    Gov. Herbert is working with HHS to bring UT's system in-line with Obamacare.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    If you cannot get insurance because of a pre-existing condition, you will love Obamacare.
    If you have kids who can't get insurance, and would like them to continue to be covered on your plan, you'll love it.
    If you can't afford insurance, and face the dilemma, every time your kids are sick, of wondering if its time to go to Emergency and rack up a bill you can't pay, or allow a potentially life-threatening condition to go untreated, you'll love Obamacare.
    If look at the plan sensibly, and ignore conservative smoke-screens about how the bill's page length or some such irrelevancy, you'll find much to admire.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    KJB1,
    Actually the answer from the people came in 2010 when the dems lost more house seats than any party had in 60-70 years. The people overwhelmingly rejected it! Please keep your elections straight.

    Blue, Ernest
    You talk about quantity, quality, and price of healthcare. Obamacare addresses NONE of those problems. NONE.

    Mike in sandy
    Who’s we? The voters who threw the dems out of the house in 2010.

    Truthseeker,
    Utah HAD a plan before this monstrosity was foisted upon us – Obamacare did not accept it. Sorry you did not know that. But then, you have evidenced a lot of ignorance of Utah and its history in prior comments.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Those who blindly accept ObamaCare without seeing the costs that will be incurred by the poorest American when that TAX is fully implemented just haven't done their homework.

    The poor in America cannot affort that TAX. There is a reason that they don't have health insurance. They can't affort it. But, Obama has decided that he will force them to pay health insurance.

    Obama told us that ObamaCare would save each family $2,500 per year. That was a lie. Costs went up, not down.

    Obama told us that all Americans would be covered. That was a lie. The Washington Post told us that 30,000,000 Americans will not be covered.

    Obama told us that there would be no "death panel" that had the power to decline services to Americans. That was a lie. The little 10-year-old who needed a transplant was denied services until political pressure made the Administration back down.

    Obama refuses to enforce ObamaCare. He knows that he will lose the Senate and the House if ObamaCare is enforced on time, which is all that we need to know about ObamaCare.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    How about dropping the Rhetoric and lets deal with the facts.

    According to the Milliman Medical index (typically yearly healthcare costs for family of 4)

    Year Cost of Healthcare
    2002 $9235
    2005 $12214
    2008 $15609
    2011 $19393

    If you look at the increase, it is a fairly strait line of increase. And that line it going UP UP UP. And it is unsustainable for our country.

    And it was going up prior to the introduction of Obamacare.

    So, yes, employees are making changes. Are some in response to Obamacare? I'm sure they are.

    But, certainly, some are just in response to the unreasonable rise in cost, regardless of Obamacare.

    Lets take Obamacare out of the picture for the sake of discussion.

    Was the rate of rise acceptable?
    Is there any reason to think it would change?

    Look folks. Something has to be done. Obamacare or Not.

    So, knock Obamacare all you want but it did not cause the past problems. And I would agree is not the best solution.

    But, doing nothing is not an option.

    The GOP should assign a task force to study it and put forth their version of healthcare reform.

    Why not?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Here's the funny thing, people are going to like Obamacare and not even realize it. Kentucky for instance is getting strong support for Kynect, their system they're implementing. (It's their exchange as mandated by Obamacare, but people are too ignorant to actually piece together what Obamacare is. A rose by any other name still gets more people covered.)

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Thanks, Darlene, for inviting us to speak out loud and clear on Obamacare. Well, here goes: I think Obamacare is a good first step in the right direction and that it will prove very beneficial overall for Americans. I hope it has laid the groundwork for single-payer. Nice going, President Obama.

    @ 2 bits: You posted that Obama won by only 50.6 percent to 49.4 percent. Your numbers are clearly wrong. The final tally was 51.1 Obama, 47.2 Romney.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    The ACA permits states to devise their own universal coverage plans.

    What is UT doing toward that effort?

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    The problem is, few people have any foresight. They won't complain about Obamacare until their out-of-pocket expenses hurt.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    One of the best things to happen to America is out of control healthcare costs and millions of uninsured families. It's been great to have so many Americans file bankruptcy due to healthcare they can't afford.
    Getting sick without insurance is a great thing. I highly encourage the letter writer to try it sometime.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Comedy GOLD!

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    “This loud and financially powerful segment of America even refuses to abide by a law passed by Congress, signed by the President and accepted by the Supreme Court”.

    People who can’t see and hear the efforts of the Cable news, GOP, Tea Party, Republicans, especially those in Congress, and the hundreds of tax exempt anti-American groups, must be wearing a sound proof bucket over their head.

    If Obamacare is an abomination, make the charge, bring it to court. That’s the proper way to do it. Or sponsor a national election of people not businesses.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    KJB1,
    You make it sound like America voted for ObamaCare by a huge margin (by voting for Obama). You pretend it was a landslide or some huge margin of victory. In reality... it was very close (and far from a clear mandate for ObamaCare).

    The official election results were actually 50.6% Obama (barely a majority).
    That means 49.4% of America voted AGAINST Obama and ObamaCare.

    That's pretty close in my book. It's a majority, but less than 1% of the population is not a landslide. It hardly means what you twisted the election into meaning when you said... "the people did speak loud and clear". 50.6% to 49.4% is far from loud and clear.

    But Obama did get the majority of the votes. So I have no problem with that, or Obama being President, he won. But don't pretend it was a landslide victory it wasn't.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    "We don't want it!"
    Who's "we"?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Seriously... how do you expect thousands of pages of detailed regulations, rules, exceptions to the rules, and exceptions to the exceptions to the rules, all in legalese that no real person completely understands... to be implemented without it eventually becoming re-interpreted and twisted and bent to serve some politician's will?

    Even IF the initial implementation went well (which it hasn't)... I would expect this bureaucratic abuse to weasel it's way in eventually (but I expected it to be years down the road).

    Any complex legislation is going to run into problems like this eventually. And ObamaCare is the most complex of all complex legislation I've ever seen passed by the US Congress. Even the Tax regulations (which EVOLVED over many years to the current sad state of complexity) look simple compared to the volumes and volumes of rules and regulations and legal jargon associated with what ObamaCare means and how it must be implemented (and the many loopholes that can be used to circumvent the parts you don't like).

    This is destined to become UN-manageable.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Darlene, you're making some pretty wild generalizations about the Affordable Care Act.

    Every time you hear your talk radio rants about "Obamacare" I hope you'll consider the following:

    The U.S. spends wildly more per person on health care than any other industrialized nation, yet receives significantly _less_ healthcare, both in terms of quantity and quality of care.

    The drag on our economy from the existing healthcare finance system is immense.

    Employers are faced with skyrocketing insurance premiums for their workers, forcing them to make businesses decisions that have little to do with their mission and business model and everything to do with managing employee healthcare costs. It's crazy.

    Employees who are unhappy/unproductive and who'd like to leave and try something else are forced to stay with their jobs because they can't get healthcare insurance on their own, while bright, motivated people are forced to apply for jobs not on the basis of what job best suits their talents, but on the basis of which employer will provide health insurance for their families. That's crazy, too.

    Don't like the ACA? Fine. Offer a workable, superior alternative. Otherwise, you're not helping.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Aug. 27, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Actually, the people did speak loud and clear. Remember last November, when Obama was reelected by nearly five million votes?

    Meanwhile, the whining goes on...

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 27, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    Is ObamaCare a Republican plan? How many Republicans in Congress voted for it?

    Can Democrats really claim that Romney was the architech? Was his bill over 2,000 pages of gibberish? Did someone in Massachusetts tell him that he had to pass the bill before knowing what was in the bill?

    If ObamaCare is such a good idea, why are Democrats demanding that it not be implemented? Why is Obama refusing to enforce it?

    If ObamaCare is as good as Obama claimed, why are businesses cutting workers to thirty hours or less per week so that those businesses won't have to pay the ObamaCare tax?

    If ObamaCare is as good as Obama claimed, why are doctors closing their practices?

    If ObamaCare will cover pre-existing conditions, why was a 10-year-old denied a transplant until political pressure forced the "secretary" to allow that operation?

    Democrats are trying to blame Republicans for a bill that no Republican supported. ALL of the faults found in ObamaCare were accepted by those Democrats who voted for the bill. All of the job losses attributed to ObamaCare were directly caused by Democrats.

    Republicans were not foolish enough to vote for ObamaCare.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    It's only complicated to radio junkies, who have been confused by dropout entertainers, who's audience confuses their partisan rhetoric with actual news or facts.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    This feigned outrage is disiingenuous, coming as it does from a person who enjoys the benefits of Medicare. Darlene, why not advocate for expansion of Medicare to all Americans? That would be more honest and worthwhile.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    Darlene,

    I like Obamacare. I like it better than what we have had for the past 50 years. I like it better than the Republican alternative (nothing). It is not perfect, but it is a vast improvement over what we've had. It would be better if it were a single-payer system. But what chance do have of that with today's GOP?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    Obamacare does nothing to control costs - does NOT improve access to health care (as we learned from the failure of the MA experiment), and costs multiples of the estimates used to sell it. It is a complete and total failure.

    Obamacare improperly addresses issues with the health care delievery system; it's like going to the dentist and having a healthy tooth pulled when you have a broken arm. Yeah, you got health care, but it did not address the problem and caused more damage.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 27, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    Even many Democrats tell us Obamacare is a train wreck! That's most likely because many will face re-election in 2014 and now have to go face and be accountable to their constituents. Democratic strategy for that? Delay the law until after the election! Says all we need to know about Obamacare doesn't it?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 27, 2013 5:55 a.m.

    "Repeal and Replace" has been the battle cry of the GOP.

    I urge you to "speak up and let us be heard loud and clear". Tell the GOP leadership to put forth their comprehensive "replacement" plan.

    It is much easier to shoot down someone elses actual plan than to put forth one of your own.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 5:04 a.m.

    There are 30 million Americans who would not be covered who are willing to defend Obamacare.

    You should have written "I don't want it" since you don't speak for those who do!

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 12:15 a.m.

    It's really not very complicated. Insurance companies have to issue policies to everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions. In return, everyone is required to purchase a policy. States are setting up health insurance exchanges so everyone has access to the same policies and comparative price and coverage information. If you don't make enough money to pay the premium, you will be eligible for a subsidy.

    It is a Republican designed plan that was endorsed by virtually all prominent national Republicans including Bob Dole, Newt Gingritch and Orrin Hatch. It is the model for Romneycare in Mass. Had Mitt Romney won the Republican nomination in 08, he would have campaigned on a promise to extend the plan to all Americans. It wasn't until President Obama proposed it that Republicans noticed that it was socialism, communism, and fascism all rolled into one.