The negativity in these comments is shocking. What is wrong with the
possibility of a Church president writing someone back? How is it
that we have become so critical? Do we just think that because we are one
person we cannot ask a legitimate question and be able to have the President of
the Church answer it every now and then? Do we delight in putting
down people's hopes and ideas? Do we have to be so destructive of others
to build ourselves up? Out of 18 comments I have read here (not
including either of mine), I would say that less than 1 out of 4 are relevant or
well thought-out. The rest are irrelevant or negative. What
happened to being supportive of the good efforts people and churches make?
Where did we become so unfeeling and cruel as a society towards religious
leaders and people in authority? Where did we become this way towards one
another? I pray that we can find the strength to do the right thing
and love others as Jesus loved us.
RE: Twin Lights, Paul likely spoke it (Greek). True,Paul “I will
Destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of
the prude”(1 Cor 1:19 KJV). He quotes from the Greek Septuagint Is
29:14.Where, God denounces the policy of the Wise in Judah seeking
an alliance with Egypt against Assyria. Fulfilled ultimately the Jews reject
Jesus., Not the BoM. I.e..A Marvelous Work and Wonder, a Modern
Translation. Therefore I will take awesome vengeance on these hypocrites, and
make their wisest counselors as fools. (Is 29:14 LB.@Christ almost
certainly never spoke (Greek). True, Christ is a title(not his second name)
from the Hebrew “Mashiach’ or “Anointed one” which is
translated into the Greek “Christos” later anglicized to Christ.RE: kvnsmnsn. (Mt 28:19 NIV) “Therefore, go and make disciples of
all the nations=(ethnic, black or white) baptizing them in the NAME of the
Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit”. The Trinity, there are three
persons, but one name, one God . See Heb 11:3,Greek N.T. Hypostasis( same
@RunMomEh, people don't need to like all the pages. I imagine most
will just play favorites (like how President Uchtdorf was always one of my
favorites in general conference). I wouldn't put much stock in these pages
anyway since they'll primarily be run by other people but eh, probably
better to have the church be in charge of pages rather than the possibility of
others making pages.
Twin Lights,I didn't destroy a printing press, nor did my brother.
So I don't know why our punishment would be death by mobbing.
Sharrona,Thanks. But we were not talking about monotheism but
Facebook and media.We have had the discussion before about
Christianity pre-Nicaea. I think Christ is quite plain about being separate
from the Father. And yes, we agree that Christ and Yahweh are the same
person.Greek may have been precise but of the apostles only Paul
likely spoke it (that we know of). Christ almost certainly never spoke it.Good WillIt has nothing to do with prophecy. It’s
just Facebook. BTW, did Christ act as his own scribe? Paul? Most of the other
writers of the NT?Moniker Lewinsky,For which the
punishment is apparently death by mobbing to you and your brother.
Twin Lights,If I recall, Joseph destroyed a printing press.
kvnsmnsn,Based on all the arguments I get from traditional Creedal
Christians, that they are monotheistic and LDS are polytheistic (implying
it's blasphemous) I'd venture to say they don't think they are
polytheistic in any degree. On the other hand,the Jews think creedal
Christians are polytheistic, based on the creedal Christians belief of 3 persons
in the trinity.
"[F]east upon the words of the living prophets"? You mean "feast
upon the words of Christ", don't you? (2 Ne. 32:3.) "[F]or behold,
the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do." Not the
prophets.It's a subtle difference, but an important one. The
leaders of the Church won't even be maintaining their own Facebook pages!
How "prophetic" is that?!This isn't the gospel of Jesus
Christ, my friends. This is a public relations gimmick and marketing flim-flam.
Sharrona posted:=1.The Jews, with their concept of monotheism and
the Scriptures (with scores of=prophecies regarding the Messiah) had
prepared the way. Mormonism is=Polytheistic.(Tri-theism).What
about Christianity? Is Mormonism any more polytheistic than Christianity is?
I feel impressed to explain revelation and the revelatory process as taught by
all the prophets from the beginning of time.Most of you will
understand the canal and ditch irrigation system. Water starts at the top and
flows down the canal, into the ditch, and down the rows. The plants at the top
of the row get more water than those at the end of the row.This is
not the revelatory model taught in any of the scriptures from the Old Testament
on. Revelation is like rain which falls evenly throughout the Lord's
vineyard. No one is left by the Lord at the end of the row dying of thirst.Prophets and apostles are in the church because the Lord's house is
a house of order. The church is organized for the purposes explained in
Ephesians 4:11-16.Nonetheless, even Peter did not get his testimony
of the Lord through a church, but by personal revelation. See Matthew
16:15-17.I suggest reading " Two Lines of Communication" by
Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, which is found in the
November 2010 Ensign or Liahona.
RE: Twin Lights, Paul wrote letters. True,Paul ,“But when the
fullness of time came, God sent forth his son, “born of a woman”(
unique, miracle) born under the law” (4:4). For centuries this time had
been in preparation and various societal elements had contributed to it.1.The Jews, with their concept of monotheism and the Scriptures (with
scores of prophecies regarding the Messiah) had prepared the way. Mormonism is
Polytheistic.(Tri-theism).2.The *Greeks had provided a language that
was the most precise instrument for the conveyance of human thought the world
had ever known.i.e, John 8: 58 “Very truly I tell you,”
Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!(Ego Eimi)” 59 At
this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away
from the temple grounds.The Jews understood that in the *Greek language,
Jesus had made himself equal to God, and tried to stone him.
I am active LDS, am fully supportive of the Brethren, and support the use of
modern technology to spread The Gospel, BUT....Something about this
whole article seems SO "manufactured" or "plastic-ky" to me; the
way these spokespersons manipulate how people should think, and carefully
structure or parse their words to try to convince us of their intent and vision.
This is exactly what "TURNS OFF" so many people to the church! See
examples, below, lifted directly from the article:Starting with the
headline, itself: "Why President Monson and Mormon Apostles are now on
Facebook..." (seems almost apologetic in tone)"..simplified
online reputation management..""The social media pages will
be maintained on behalf of church leaders...""...people
should not necessarily expect that the Brethren are regularly visiting these
pages...but it is also not an impossibility...""..most of
the content on there is not unique — it is being shared from other
official Church social media properties and websites...""Our
real hope is that these pages will help people to dive in and truly feast upon
the words of the living prophets...""Don't forget the
powerful missionary tool that these pages can be..."
I really like the idea of the social media use, and I understand the reasoning.
But, I sure would have preferred that they had created just ONE Facebook page
for "LDS Prophets and Apostles" instead of 13 separate pages for each
individual. It's overkill and unmanageable. It also means that when one
dies they will be creating a new page for the successor and unless they delete
the deceased page, eventually we could have dozens of pages!
Does ANYONE really think that these folks are going to be posting anything
themselves? It'll all be their little workerbees work.
To Wastintime and Brother Benjamin Franklin,Both of you seem to think you
will be able to ask questions to of the Church president and get answers via
Facebook. Ain't gonna happen. If you read the article carefully, you will
see that the leaders who now have facebook pages may or may not decide to read
those pages. You can't really imagine that any of them have time to answer
questions from millions of Facebook fans. In fact, the leaders have asked for
years that we take questions to our local leaders, and only if local leaders
remain stumped, they will pass them on to general authorities.
Paul wrote letters. Joseph published on printing presses. Then came radio and
TV. The modern church uses the internet. And 50 years from now it will be
something else.It is the message not the medium that matters
(apologies to Marshall McLuhan).
I appreciate the Church's efforts to reach out and make the leaders more
accessible through these pages. Being able to personally contact the leaders
directly regarding feedback, complaints, and doctrinal questions will be
extremely helpful. I am not sure how much this will do in terms of
the Church's openness and transparency in regards to the questions people
like me have, but I don't think it will hurt. So while I am
disappointed in some ways that the pages are not more comprehensive and
detailed, I am pleased that the Church is finally catching up with the times and
getting these things out there. It shows a willingness to acknowledge the
legitimate concerns of people like myself. I do appreciate that.
Great. I have a lot of questions to ask them on Facebook.
Funny, I'd say that with the internet today, that Gone are the days when
the Mormon Church could get people to believe almost anything they wanted. The
past is all online now. That's the real reason they're online now!
I really like the fact that the LDS Church is using social media and has really
created terrific websites to familiarize the public with the church. Gone are
the days when anti-mormons could get people to believe almost anything they