People fall dead in urban places. Does that mean we are not suited to be there?
I am from another century. I hope you don't want to get rid of me too.
Re:MikeRichards"They are just like the thousands of settlers who
used horses as transportation. Horses pulled carriages then."In
I agree horses do NOT belong in cities nor used around automobiles. Too many
tragedies have already happened. Even in a parade a team of Clydesdale horses
were spooked. It ended badly for the horses and humans alike. With the hot
temperatures we have these days,, the concrete in the cities makes it much
hotter for these poor souls. There is no need for it,, it is past time to put a
stop to it.
Splitting hairs over how someone phrased their comment is rather non-productive.
Also, the horses of the mounted police force can hardly be compared to the
carriage horses! Bottom line is that I agree with Marie Walsh-West that
horses simply do not belong in any city! I have worked with horses for 4 decades
and there are enough 'good reasons' to compile a list much longer than
allowed to share here! Is it legal? Do the business owners have the
'right' to use these horses and subject them to a life that can only
be compared to slavery? Yes of course they do, but that doesn't make it
right! Is it really so hard for us as a society to evolve and become a better
one? Why do some of us try so hard to remain less civilized? The people who
don't see anything wrong with this industry simply choose to be indifferent
to another living beings right to live free from cruel treatment. Animals have
so much to add to our quality of life and we do not have to torture them to
benefit from all they have to offer! Time to evolve America!
Many things don't belong in an urban setting. People with cowboy hats for
one. We should just ban them from the city.Other things that should
be banned in the city are... thongs, spandex, noisy kids, ugly people, etc.
If you think that those horses are being mistreated, buy the horses and provide
them whatever you think that they need, otherwise, realize that those who own
those horses have the right and responsibility to treat those horses without
your advice. If the owner wants a good return on his investment, he will care
for the horse properly. I lived on a farm in my youth. We had
twenty dairy cows. They were not pets. They were properly fed and properly
sheltered. When they were sick, a vet was called. They were expensive to buy
and expensive to keep, but they provided a product that offset those costs. As
long as they were productive, they had a place on the dairy farm. Those who have a "carriage" business would know the rules that apply
to their business; but, they can't control traffic. They can't
control exhaust. They can't control the people who yell or throw things at
the horses. They can't control the weather. They are just like the
thousands of settlers who used horses as transportation. Horses pulled
carriages then. Horses pull carriages now.
I have been trying to get these horses some help for many years. Horses do not
belong in traffic breathing exhaust, these horses are scared, honked at,
startled and clearly not taken care of well. Have you seen where they live? it
is disgusting- if you have an animal that makes you money you should at least
provide it with proper care and a decent place to live however this is not the
case with people who see animals as dollar signs. I have NEVER seen these horses
given water in the heat. There should be laws, temperature restrictions and
clearly these need better vet care! Where is Jerry? has anyone seen him. I fight
for all animals,ones being exploited, abused, neglected I will never stop
fighting to make things better for them. Just as God created us he also created
them, they feel pain, love, sadness and for that reason should be treated with
kindness and compassion. The minute you care more about the mighty dollar than
the quality or concern of any sentient being there is a problem. Animals in
circuses, factory farms, Sea World they are all exploited.
Street level trolleys like TRAX and the soon-to-open Sugarhouse Trolley are also
from another century, so the horses fit right in.
What about mounted police in NYC, etc? They are horses, working in an urban
setting, and very effective I might add. Should THEY be banned by the Humane
Pass city ordinances to protect the animals. Make sure they are not being
abused and are receiving appropriate medical treatment. Tweak these ordinances
if there is a problem. Otherwise, I believe the horses should be left alone to
pull carriages and provide rides.
"The horses are exploited for profit and forced to live and work a very
grueling existence "And on the farm, horses are owned for what?
I don't want to be just mean, but working for the profit of the owner has
been the lot of the horse for thousands of years. I do get horse drawn
carriage rides through historic cities like Savannah and Charleston.... but
through cities like Salt Lake where its history has been carefully dismantled in
the name of progress.... I do agree the carriages do seem a bit out of place.
But lets be real, horses have been exploited by man for work and
pleasure, and to clam otherwise just isn't very truthful. Now working for
man need not mean ill treated - but then again - horses in green pasture also
get sick as well. Lets protect these animals, and treat them with
respect, but lets not get lost in some disney version of reality either.
Marie; you forgot trains. In your list, you go from the small to the large.
maybe we should cut out all of the bicycles and pedestrians. They can't
move fast enough and would impede traffic. Many times I have seen pedestrians
in the middle of the street when the light changes. They should also be banned?
I own horses, and know how much a horse of this kind can cost and what is
involved in the training. perhaps in Chicago, they didn't take care of
their horses, but I would take very good care of a business investment this size
if I were the one running the business.
Re: "Carriage horse rides downtown are from another century."You say it like it's a bad thing.There are lots of us
"from another century." Many of us, like Jerry, have to work downtown.
We don't see much pasture, either. Most of us, like Jerry, love our work
and are happy with the way we're treated at work. Some of us get into
accidents with cars.So, what are you suggesting for us "from
I have never liked the idea of horse carriage rides and horses in the city
(urban area). The flow of traffic relative to cars is too imbalanced, traffic is
too high, and horse carriages can't get through yellow lights once in the