Letters: I am grateful for security at 2002 Winter Olympics


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  • Confused Sandy, UT
    Aug. 28, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    LDS Liberal.....

    82 of 126 (65%) Democrats voted for the "war" in the House
    29 of 50 (58 %) of the Democrats voted for the "war" in the Senate

    So again, why is this all on Bush?

    Second where is your numbers coming from?

    Number of death in IRAQ 4488
    Number of Wounded In IRAQ 32,021
    Number of deaths in Afghanistan 2074

    So here is the kicker...
    Number of deaths in Afghanistan under Bush 630(8 years)
    Number of deaths in Afghanistan under Obama 1636 (5 years)

    Again... why is this all on Bush????

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 11:17 p.m.

    @J Thompson

    5,000 Americans dead,
    75,000 wounded,
    $2 Trillion dollars,

    is HARDLY Theatrics.

    Yes, I agree - Let's leave "theatrics" out of this, shall we?

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 27, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    It looks like LDS Liberal is confused. He thinks that theatrics and official documents are the same thing. He told us that President Bush's theatrics of "declaring" war was an offical act. That statement is amazing. Has he kept track of all the theatrics that Obama has used? Is he willing to tell us that every time Obama used theatrics, that Obama obligated America to act on those theatrics? He even went so far as to tell us that the NSA complex in Bluffdale was funded and built by Bush, implying that Obama was helpless to stop that obamination. Is Obama unable or incapable of halting projects that were started before 2009? Is Obama incapable of picking up the telephone and discussing with a Supreme Court Justice the constitutionality of having an NSA complex in Utah that stores data collected from private emails and private cell phone calls, data that was collected without a warrant?

    Let's leave theatrics out when discussing the declaration of war. Maybe a quick trip on the Internet would help. Look up the photo of FDR signing the official Declaration of War between the United States and Japan, signed on Dec. 8, 1941.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Aug. 26, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    We seem to have a bunch of folks who will defend their favorite politician (be it Bush or Obama) and all the while ignore the relevant facts. The relevant facts in this case is that the rights and privileges of citizens are being ignored and abused, while the needs and wants of our enemies and other non-citizens are often given the utmost priority. We won't enforce our borders. We won't quit giving money we don't have to our enemies. We won't adhere to the Constitution. We won't respect the rights of privacy. But we WILL attempt to justify all kinds of foolishness as long as one of OUR favorite politicians is leading the charge and endorsing the absurdity. Amazing.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 26, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    @J Thompson

    Bush did not "declare war". He committed the use of our military. Under the War Powers Act, he had authority to do that.

    Bush is no longer President. Obama renewed the "act" that allows the government to spy on its citizens. Obama spent billions to build the NSA complex in Bluffdale to store that data.



    1st - I'm a Veteran and served our country - I know the rules, and Bush lied.

    2nd -
    Bush declared "war" on "terror" Sep. 20, 2001
    Bush declared "war" on Iraq - Mar. 19, 2003

    "War" his words, not mine.

    PRISM began in 2007 in the wake of the passage of the Protect America Act under the BUSH Administration. The $1.2 Billion facility located in Bluffdale Utah, is operated under the supervision of the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA Court, or FISC) pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

    BUSH declared war not once, but twice, and HE spent that money.
    Another mess Obama inherited from the guy YOU put in there, supported, and continue to support.

    Own it.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    "Oh how easy it is to criticize..."

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 26, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    It' real easy to quote 18th century philosophers that couldn't possibly see 200 years in the future and act surprised by something you probably suspected 5 months after 9/11 but harder yet figure out how to keep it under control given your elected representative are both complicit and obstructionists. You don't get to decide that a program is ok under your guy but is a threat to the nation under the other guy. You can't reap praise on a building because it contributes money to your community then scream in agony when you realize what it was going to be used for and was no secret to begin with. The NSA is run by private contractors who by mandate are not subject to the same oversight as your 'demon' government bureaucrat. All this was done and you said nothing, your Senators said nothing, your Congressmen said nothing and now it's Armageddon? I think not.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Aug. 26, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    To the letter writer.

    "Those who sacrafice Liberty for Security shall have neither". -Benjamin Franklin.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 26, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    Bush did not "declare war". He committed the use of our military. Under the War Powers Act, he had authority to do that. As Commander In Chief of the military, he has authority to commit troops and assets. Congress must ratify his decision within sixty days. If Congress does not ratify the President's use of the military, those troops and assets must be removed within thirty days.

    Bush is no longer President. Obama renewed the "act" that allows the government to spy on its citizens. Obama spent billions to build the NSA complex in Bluffdale to store that data. Obama could have taken that "act" to court. He could have asked that it be declared unconstitutional; instead, he broadened its scope.

    Spying on us during the Olympics violated the 4th Amendment.

    Spying on our email and cell phone calls violates the 4th Amendment.

    Nothing will change the past, but Obama can change the present.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Aug. 26, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    Elvis was elected? That's news to me, bro.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 26, 2013 7:29 a.m.


    Meanwhile -- Mike

    Wasn't if King George W Bush who:

    called the Constitution a blankety-blank piece of paper,

    took anyone suspected of "terror", even American citizens, stripped them of "due process", and incarcerated them for life without warrant or a speedy trial.

    allowed spying of it's citizens,

    Declared war, not once but twice [which only Congress can do]

    Gave away $Billions in unsolicited Government contracts,

    Stole from the poor (us), and gave to the rich (bailouts -- WallStreet, banks, Auto Industry, Military Industrial Complex),

    So let's see....

    Unwarranted search and seizure,
    Right to speedy trials,
    Right to Privacy,
    and Declaration of War...

    And YOU think the mishap in Benghazi is even in the same category of trampling the Constitution?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    Those who sell their freedom for government guarantees of security need to look no further than Benghazi to know that the government will abandon its guarantees if the "king" wants to be re-elected.