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Published: Sunday, Aug. 25 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

ok to plan really isn't an insulting message unless you;ve been taught otherwise.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

I too often like to accuse small organizations of being hellbent on controlling the world despite having no evidence to support my claim.

With rational people like the letter writer, I can't imagine how UPEC could ever imagine folks would make decisions despite having little to no knowledge about the subject matter.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

Utah's population is expected to double to over 5 million in the next two decades. While we'll be blessed with all these more people, we won't be blessed with more resources to accommodate all of them. In fact, if climate change scientists are correct, we'll actually have less water, which will create significant hardships for the state's quality of life and economy. We need water for food, to drink, to power our coal-fired power plants, to frack for natural gas, to turn tar sands into oil, etc.

While Utah's population is exploding, so will the world's. Today, we have about 7.2 billion people, and that is expected to hit 9 to 10 billion by 2050. Most of that growth will be in Asia and Africa, where they want to live like westerners with lots of gadgets, air conditioning, SUVs, etc. Again, no additional resources are on tap -- from oil, water, farmland, rare earths for cell phones, etc. -- to accommodate all these people and their demands for western lifestyles.

Smaller families is part of how Utah can navigate a resource-constrained world ahead. We'll also have to invent a substitute for water. Good luck!

higv
Dietrich, ID

has anyone heard of the voluntary human extinction movement? Radical people who don't realize the earth was made for people and we take care of the earth. Thing our change is damaging. What other creature puts out fires, buries it's dead, cleans up fish from red tide. Humans have to grow food and cut down trees or mine to survive. Food clothing and shelter is a need.

Population control people want to control what is none of there business. A married couple should be free to have as many children as they want it is there choice. Population control tries to control the most private decision a couple can make.

Star Bright
Salt Lake City, Ut

Isn't it funny that these organizations are trying to limit American families, but then we are told we just don't have enough workers, and we are letting in people by the millions/maybe by the billions if we count all the refugees we are told we need to take, plus those who have invaded our borders and tell us that they need welfare, food stamps and now demanding they have free transplants? The large families I see raise responsible children who will be paying for the welfare and the food stamps that this president likes to make sure everyone has.

tigger
AMERICAN FORK, UT

Yeah, it is a little demeaning. But it is free speech.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The probable reason that religions oppose birth control is because it interferes with their membership acquisition. Children are automatic new members.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Ultra Bob

The reason businessmen and their political minions oppose birth control is that it reduces the number of customers and their profit.

The reason that people might like birth control is to avoid the loss of personal freedom that comes with increased population.

Demo Dave
Holladay, UT

I'm sure Ms. Barlow is opposed to abortion too. Intelligent family planning and birth control could greatly reduce the amount of unintended pregnancies with a corresponding decrease in the demand for abortions. It's a win/win.

Many couples may indeed plan their families, but too many others don't. It's time that the rest of society stopped carrying this burden.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

As opposed to people who think pregnant women considering ultrasounds should have mandatory ultrasounds for "information" purposes (as if women are too stupid to know what a fetus is)?

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"It's OK to plan"

So from that you got this: "It appears UPEC looks at the community at large as those who are ignorant about various birth control methods and are just popping out babies because they are religious zombies."

Okay.

"I think it is instructive to examine why UPEC has created their Small Families initiative."

So this is what your "examination" came up with:

"They'll encourage this generation to only have two kids, the next generation to only have one, and then eventually they'll have the pristine, practically people-free Earth they dream of."

Wait a second! Did you examine why they created their initiative (you know, read their publications, or contact a spokesperson for the group), or did you just make up stuff?

"Why the push for population control?"

Have you read anything about population issues like problems with finding fresh water for people around the globe and what we are looking at in the future regarding fresh water issues? Including in this country? Have you examined the pressures that are being put on our planet by population issues?

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

Lets look at it another way, a lot of families think having ten kids is a great thing. Fine.

But lets do some down and dirty math (I know there are a lot of variables I'm not taking into account, and there isn't a 150 million couples, but I think you'll get the point.)

In the USA there are over 300 million people. Now lets turn that 300 million into 150 million couples. Lets say each of those couples have ten kids:

150,000,000 x 10 = 1,500,000,000

In one generation we add one and half billion to the population of the USA. Would that be a problem?

Spoc
Ogden, UT

"Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure."

Agent Smith

metisophia
Ogden, UT

I am about to paint with a broad brush here, but my comments are based on what I often read in the DesNews forums. If you don't fit in my description below, then I'm probably not talking to you.

Those who are railing against the idea of planning a family are often also those who decry medicaid, WIC, school lunch subsidies, an increase in the minimum wage, insurance plans that must offer birth control prescriptions, and an assortment of other government helps to families with low incomes.

May I suggest that family planning could be as simple as delaying starting a family until children can be paid for at birth and fed, clothed, and housed adequately after birth.

Those who demand personal responsibility for supporting oneself, should also demand personal responsibility when creating a family. Planning helps.

Wally West
SLC, UT

If Ms Barlow is offended then perhaps the way she perceives the world needs tweaking.

It was one thing for those who originaly colonized the valley to have multiple offspring due to mortality rates, etc... This, however, is not the 1850's.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying what Baron Scarpia & Mark said but it all down to 1 phrase... Water is a finite resource... Did you not pay attention to Quantum of Solace?

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

"The agenda seems pretty plain. They'll encourage this generation to only have two kids, the next generation to only have one, and then eventually they'll have the pristine, practically people-free Earth they dream of."

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**Practically** people-free???

Let's face it, these folks hate folks.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Utah's population is expected to double of the next 20 years.
We are already running out of water.

Tell me your plan to use less water,
so I don't need to tell you the plan to keep people from killing each other over the living giving resource.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Hutterite,
IMO the "ok to plan" slogan really IS condescending and insulting. It insinuates that families with more than 2 kids are too dim-witted to know how, or are afraid to use birth control. It's in the category with the condescending jokes like saying, "you know they know what causes that now", to pregnant mothers with little kids in tow.

LDS families know how to use birth control. They know what causes babies. They aren't stupid. Some actually WANT more than 2 kids.

Invisible Hand
Provo, UT

Scarcity of resources is a common excuse for power-grabbing progressives to attempt to seize more of our freedoms. The answer to that old argument (older than Malthus) is more freedom. Like a free market for water. Let's sell water at market rates, after assuring that waterways and wildlife have sufficient, instead of subsidizing it so we can "make the desert bloom" and grow lush lawns throughout suburbia. If you want to grow alfalfa in the desert, and the market price of the water is cheap enough to justify it, then go right ahead. Otherwise the people of Utah should be allowed to sell it to the highest bidder.

Dave D
Spring Creek, NV

First of all, much of the year Utah's air is poisonous.Some people die breathing it. We also lack adequate water for our burgeoning population.

So what do we as parents when the number of children we have effects the health of not only our own children, but the health of all those who live around us? Our earth has finite resources. Many of us in the West use more than our share of water, fuel, electricity, etc.

In section 104 in the Doctrine and Covenants, God assures us that "there is enough and to spare." BUT, there is a qualification:

"16 But it must needs be done in mine own away; and behold this is the way that I, the Lord, have decreed to provide for my saints, that the poor shall be exalted, in that the rich are made low."

The section goes on to say: "18 Therefore, if any man shall take of the abundance which I have made, and impart not his portion, according to the law of my gospel, unto the poor and the needy, he shall, with the wicked, lift up his eyes in hell, being in torment."

WE ARE FAILING AT THIS.

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