Comments about ‘NJ governor to sign ban on gay conversion therapy’

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Published: Monday, Aug. 19 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

Evolution is a slow process but this is still good news.

ute alumni
paradise, UT

chrissy loves the limelight. doesn't jersey have more important things to worry about? like a citizenry that leaves there as soon as possible because their taxes are out of sight. i know i lived there.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@ute alumni --

"doesn't jersey have more important things to worry about?"

What can be more important than child abuse and civil rights? Without civil rights we don't even have a society worth worrying about.

For many years, Exodus International was the leading organization in "conversion therapy". The problem? Over those years, quite a few of their founders and directors admitted they were still gay, some of them publicly apologizing for their former roles in the organization. Recently, the group shut down altogether.

Former Exodus President Alan Chambers now states: "I am sorry for the pain and hurt many of you have experienced. I am sorry that some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didn't change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents."

He further said: "For quite some time we've been imprisoned in a worldview that's neither honoring toward our fellow human beings, nor biblical."

"Gay conversion therapy" is a scam that victimizes some of our most vulnerable citizens. It NEEDS to be outlawed.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Whether this therapy is a scam or not, are gay people ever forced to take this therapy? Of course not! This is nothing more than shameless political posturing by a RINO. A law that is useless, meaningless and a waste of time.

Ophelia
Bountiful, UT

My dear, gay son went through the "conversion" process for almost two years. He was told there was an 80% chance of change if he just had enough faith. I shudder to think how blindly obedient I was. I strongly encouraged him to continue, despite his protests. He told me the only reason he went to therapy was because he loved me.

Eight years later, I declare my abhorrence for conversion therapy. I was wrong to insist he try to change. It is psychological malpractice and hurts -- in some cases destroys -- young lives. I am ecstatic that Chris Christie has taken this position. He is Roman Catholic. I am active Mormon. I completely agree with him. People are born gay, and homosexuality is not a sin.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Mountanman --

"Whether this therapy is a scam or not, are gay people ever forced to take this therapy? Of course not! "

Of course they ARE. Try READING that article before you pontificate. We're talking, in large part, about MINORS being forced into therapy.

@Ophelia --

I thank you again for your courage in stepping forward and standing up for the many minors who have been damaged by this scam.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Contrarius. Did you know whether you were gay or not at 12 or 14? Neither does anyone else.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

So, is M-man now saying that scams are OK because people don't HAVE to participate? Man, if others around there feel this way, there showed be a huge influx of con men, all trying to get local kids to cut their grass, then stiffing them on payment.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Mountanman --

"Contrarius. Did you know whether you were gay or not at 12 or 14? Neither does anyone else."

Some kids know that they're gay before they even hit their teens. Welcome to the real world.

@Mark B --

"if others around there feel this way, there showed be a huge influx of con men, all trying to get local kids to cut their grass, then stiffing them on payment."

Didn't I read somewhere that Utah has the highest rate of con games in the nation? I'm not sure about that, but iirc somebody around here said that. I'll see if I can look it up later...

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Mountanman: You are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

Puberty on average starts between 10 and 12. During this time you begin to experience sexual attraction. Ten and twelve year olds know the genders of those they are attracted to. So yes, you would know at those ages if you are homosexual.

There is evidence that many homosexual children know before age 10 that they are homosexual - just as heterosexual children know they are heterosexual.

Gay conversion therapy is harmful. Protecting citizens from harm is a major responsibility of government. NJ did good by outlawing this.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Science has proven that some people have been cured through this.

If they want help and their parents support them changing, this can be a great resource.

If they don't wish to change at the moment, it brings up interesting questions.

If a child didn't want to see any doctor, what rights do they have.

I'd also be curious if success rates are better for younger or older people?

Is there a better chance of success if the patient is younger? This is often the case in the medical world and I'm curious if this holds true here?

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ Chris B: No, actually, science does not support the idea that people have successfully changed their sexual orientation. As a matter of fact, individuals who have been involved in the past in promoting conversion therapy are now on the record as saying it is not successful.

While it is true that some homosexual individuals participate fully in heterosexual relationships while having no homosexual conduct, this happens with or without conversion therapy.

And while it is true some of these individuals have lives of contentment, the same level of contentment can be found in any relationship where one partner is denying an aspect of their identity - whether that aspect is religion, career expectations, denying a part of their culture, or anything else.

Additionally, there is a proven harm associated with conversion therapy which is why this bill was signed into law.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Maudine,

There is proven harm to some.

There are also proven examples where people wanted this help, received this help, and were able to change the parts of them they wanted to change. There are some very uplifting and inspirational stories of people changing through reparative therapy.

It's just important we keep this resource open to people who want it. Adults can still receive this help.

I also would still be curious the success rates of younger people vs. older people if anyone has facts?

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Christie 2016

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

Wow! Christie did something that is both rational and correct. Good for him!

wYo8
Rock Springs, WY

one more reason to not vote for him. Just hope Ben Carson decides to run.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Chris B --

"Science has proven that some people have been cured through this."

State your sources. Making a claim doesn't make it true.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"...Making a claim doesn't make it true...".

Not so...

It's not a lie...if YOU believe it.
George Constanza

Contrariusier
mid-state, TN

@There You Go Again --

"It's not a lie...if YOU believe it."

Does Chris believe it? And if he does believe his claims, why does he refuse to back them up?

The fact is that "therapy" successes claimed by ex-gay "researchers" (I use the term very loosely) are often measured by ridiculous benchmarks like "no homosexual relations within the past year".

Well, gee -- we don't say that priests are "cured" of heterosexuality if they remain celibate for a year, do we?

I'd love to see if Chris can actually come up with anything at all to back up his bold claims. But I won't be surprised if he doesn't.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Salt Lake City, UT

Maybe some men are born attracted to blonde women. Maybe they aren't. Maybe gays are born with an attraction, maybe not. I don't really know.

What I do know:

We didn't design ourselves. God did.
We can change, control, and master what we allow into our minds.
We all make mistakes of some kind or another.
We can be forgiven for our mistakes.
We can heal through the atonement and be happy again.

Perhaps we're born with attractions, but we're not born without the ability to decide what we do with them. It would be far more accurate to say "Attraction is not a sin". It isn't. But what we do with attraction, both mentally and physically, those are choices. And choices are either right or wrong and we will be judged for them. I love God and don't want to fail Him. I want to return to Him. I want to have eternal joy. I don't want to be found in sin. At some point we must reconcile what we want in eternity. I want my eternal family and to be happy.

I made my choice. I'm happy I did.

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