I'm sure most Tea Party Republicans (are there any other kind any more?)
think that only Fox should host every debate.
I really think MSNBC ought to host the debates.
@lost in DC 11:18 a.m. Aug. 18, 2013Furry,Most voters
don’t start paying attention until the general election. Why allow NBC and
CNN to damage you before then?------------------If, as you
imply, having the voters learn the truth about the candidates damages them, that
says a lot about the (lack of) quality of those candidates. Another good reason
for the voters to have fully vetted candidates to consider.
Anyone remember the camera catching Mitt Romney placing notes ( not allowed)
from his pocket onto the dais, then slipping them into his sleeve after the
@Lost --"Kalindra,The National Barack Channel and CNN can
air what they want, as long as it complies with FCC regulations; so you would
FORCE the RNC to sell them the rights to their debates? Yep, mighty socialist of
you."You're still not paying attention. Kalindra has
already said -- at least a couple of times now -- that she SUPPORTS the
RNC's boycott. She specifically said: "Just as people have
the right to boycott Enders Game, so to does the RNC have the right to protest
CNN and NBC. "Why do you keep arguing against her, when she
already supports the boycott??Personally, I continue to think that
this boycott is vastly amusing. I predict it won't last, though. The RNC
will cave before the primaries come around.
One of a few,No, but neither are they dropping ABC or CBS (there you go
again, wonderpus)Kalindra,The National Barack Channel and CNN
can air what they want, as long as it complies with FCC regulations; so you
would FORCE the RNC to sell them the rights to their debates? Yep, mighty
socialist of you.Kings CourtThey want to be babied? No they
want to be treated the same as the dems – oh, wait, that means they DO
want to be babied!Esquire,Where do you get off saying the RNC
now favors the so-called fairness doctrine, which is just a liberal excuse to
silence the opposition? Why introduce dishonesty into the discussion?BobK,NBC has a duty to remain neutral to retain their FCC license.
Obviously the FCC is not doing its job.Furry,Most voters
don’t start paying attention until the general election. Why allow NBC
and CNN to damage you before then?
This really makes inquiring minds wonder why the Republicans don't want
more voters to hear what their candidates have to say in the primaries.
That's when the candidates "vet" each other and more truth about
them comes out. What are the Republicans afraid their candidates are going to
say about themselves and each other. Interesting.
In the first place, a broadcast network like NBC has FCC license
responsibilities, so it is not the same as a cable network, and has a duty to be
neutral on politics.In the second place, I wish America would get sick to
death of the present republican party operating on spite and destructiveness.
If you do not see the House republicans' strategy to discredit President
Obama ahead of doing their sworn duty as wrong, what can I say?
Reading these comments is a hoot.Everyone agrees adn still people
find a way to attack other posters. Not one comment saying the
Republicans should have ot work with NBC or CNN but somehow some posters think
others are saying that.Funny, funny stuff. No wonder there is such
antagonism in politics - can't even agree when you agree!
@Mark B - with the amount of salesmanship required to peddle their ideas to
anyone other than gullible Democrats, I would suggest the DNC conduct their
debates on QVC.
I'm glad you're here Kalindra expressing your views. Thank you for
that. Now it's time to take your meds and go back to sleep.Hillary Clinton doesn't need a documentary about her to get name
recognition .. Everyone knows who Hillary Clinton is Kalindra.@
Contrarius... your comments are right on. Thank you for pointing out how the
RNC thinks in reverse.Making it Happen.... nice slogan..
Congratulations Chairman Priebus and the RNC. You are following a course to
oblivion. Your goal should be to get your message into as many homes as
possible but you choose to limit that number through threats and self
destruction.Perhaps ALEC can write a bill for one of the GOP Senators to
carry that if passed will force CNN and NBC to scrap their plans to air anything
that may be viewed as positive press for Hillary.Stab yourselves in the
chest and stand there wondering why you are bleeding. This is a completely
stupid decision but hey, personally I'm glad you did it.Go Dems.
I'm with DSB, at least partly. Judging by what happened last time around, I
think the GOP presidential debates SHOULD be on Comedy Central.
@Kalindra - there's a tremendous difference between opposing a boycott you
think is stupid, pointless, wrong-headed, punishing, etc., and saying a group
has no legal right to boycott. I suspect no one claimed others don't have
a right to boycott, but because of your knee-jerk contempt of conservatives, if
they oppose anything, you construe it to mean they think it should be somehow
illegal. Many liberals and conservatives use this faulty logic on each
other.I can oppose a boycott, while believing the boycott is a legal
right. It certainly doesn't make me a hypocrite to oppose the boycott
against Ender's Game and support the boycott against NBC and CNN.And, free speech ain't free. Networks that position themselves as
mouthpieces and proponents of one political party are not free from consequences
of exercising their free speech. Frankly I'm surprised the DNC didn't
boycott Fox News for debates a long time ago, but if they want to connect with
Fox's viewer demographic, Fox is the only game in town. Even with the
boycott of NBC and CNN, Republicans can reach the same demographic on every
other major news media outlet.
@ DSB: My "free speech" comment applies to the Hillary documentaries -
which the RNC is trying to get the networks to not show by threatening to not
work with them in the future and not allowing them to show the primary debates
if they show the Hillary stuff. The RNC will boycott the networks if the
networks use their free speech to air Hillary documentaries.Supporting boycotts as a general practice is not the same as participating in
a particular boycott.My comments are in reference to comments made
by conservatives who have stated that boycotts in general are an effort to
infringe the free speech rights of conservatives by punishing them for what they
have said or want to say.@ Michael: Fox has donated to Democrats at
the same level as CNN and NBC.The debates in question are the
primary debates - all the candidates would be Republican contenders. And make
no mistake about it - just because CNN or NBC does not air the actual debate
does not mean they won't air the highlights on their news segments. @ Contrarious: Oh yeah - failure to expose the public to your
candidates is not the way to gain support for them.
@Kalindra --"I'm just wondering how they feel about this
particular boycott."Obviously I'm not a conservative -- but
the more I think about this "boycott" the more amused I get.The Repubs think they're "boycotting" by turning down free air
time? Really? They could have gotten wide, national, primetime exposure for FREE
-- yet somehow they think it's the *networks* they're hurting by
turning it down? Really??I just read this: "The vote
came on the last day of a three-day gathering called "Making it Happen,"
at which Republicans discussed ways to use technology and other means to connect
with a wider range of voters".Ummm. Yeah. Connect by boycotting.
Bad idea. Makes the Republicans look afraid of Hillary Clinton. The GOP is
headed in the wrong direction. What is happening to the party of Reagan.
Appears the GOP is playing defense instead of offense. You play to win instead
of trying to not to lose.
Another smoke and mirror trick from the party of do nothings that is bound to
backfire. This will be entertaining to watch.
When people treat you unfairly... and there is little doubt these networks are
overtly liberal just as Fox is overtly conservative... you have several choices
on what to do. Reactionary and rejection is one of the poorest choices. Of
course, not giving good unbiased coverage of the issues, not asking good debate
questions, is also very sad and wrong. The serious voter should consider what to
do about this. Mock the GOP? Easy... they set the target up by this bad
choice. Insist/Ask the networks to change the debate format, or maybe ask the
networks to if they say they are being unbiased, then to prove they are giving
equal coverage... harder, but better in the long run.
So the GOP now favors the Fairness Doctrine? What hypocrisy. They are so
incredibly out of touch with reality. Maybe they should start offering
leadership and some ideas for addressing issues in a constructive way instead of
putting on a clown show like they did in 2012. They just don't get it.
it is not logical to play a game on an uneven playing field.why should
republicans walk on a filed that is stacked to make them lose before a word is
ever uttered.call out the bias for what it is and move to a more fair or
friendly field - and if democrats wans softball questions from Candy or Anderson
- they can do it on their own time.
@KalindraYou said "What about the free speech rights of those
stations to air what they want?"What does that mean to you, and
why did you say it if it doesn't mean you think CNN and NBC have the right
to air a debate? What free speech rights do those stations have to line up or
air a debate the candidates or parties haven't agreed to? What station on
the planet gets to "air what they want" by virtue of freedom of
speech?To quote you again, "Anyone who opposes the proposed
boycott of Card's Enders Game series and does not protest the actions of
the RNC, is a hypocrite."So, if I oppose one boycott, I must
oppose all boycotts? And that passes as a logical deduction to you? How about
this - I support everyone's right to engage in whatever lame boycott they
want to, for whatever lame reason. It's a free country, so power to the
people. I don't see how that means I have to personally support or oppose
all boycotts if I support or oppose one.Really - understanding that
words have meaning is a very good thing.
@ DSB: Huh? Where in my comments did I claim any different? As for the
connection between the two boycotts, they are both boycotts - and if you read
the Enders Game boycott comments, you will see that many conservatives claim
only liberals engage in boycotts and that doing so is an effort to infringe on
free speech rights. I'm just wondering how they feel about this particular
boycott.@ VST: I have never claimed different.Really,
people - reading comprehension is good thing.
The RNC has been looking for an excuse to drop CNN and MSNBC for hosting
debates. They don't like the tough questions but would prefer to me babied
with soft ball questions. They just want to excite their own base, but they
need to realize that excluding themselves from a larger audience doesn't
win elections. I predict that they will reverse these decisions when the next
presidential elections cycle gets closer. Preaching to the choir just
isn't going to get their message out.
Has anyone asked the "famous icons of business and industry" how to fix
the GOP?Would Mitt Romney and Donald Trump attempt to save this
"corporation"? Would they chose to fire many of the "employees"?
Could dismantling this "corporation", and completely starting over save
the Republican party? Do these experienced men, with a great deal of history in
redoing businesses, see a future for the GOP?Knowing the Deseret News
fascination with Mitt Romney(not sure about "the Donald"), we can see
our Utah news source looking into this and reporting the outcome of their
research to all of it's devoted readers.
Keep it up RNC, the same old strategy of dividing out the old codgers that
support you works fine - for loosing.
I fully support this boycott. I had no interest in listening to the Repubs
debate anyway. ;-)
Instead of blocking a network, why don't those guys just insist on a
different format. Here is how debates should work. Two moderators. One a
Democrat one a Republican. The Republican ask the Democrat candidate questions,
the Democrat asks the Republican questions. Easy peasy and we might actually
learn something about the candidates views. At a minimum the Republicans should
insist on a conservative moderator for at least one Presidential debate.
Someone like Sean Hannity, or Bill O'Reilly asking questions. That would
counter somewhat the effect of always a liberal/Democrat asking questions.
@Kalindra - NBC and CNN have no legal entitlement to air debates. They have no
legal right to "air what they want," if it violates the rights of the
broadcast copyright holder. If Comedy Central wanted to air a debate, but
either the RNC or the DNC did not agree to participate, do you think Comedy
Central could somehow obligate them to do so under the premise of "free
speech rights" and the right to "air what they want?"Also, your comparison to RNC policy and Ender's Game is curious. I
don't know how one comes to be the hypocrisy arbiter of unrelated topics,
but thanks for making the heretofore unknown connection so we can avoid your
judgment of hypocrisy.@ThornBirds - 200 words within each of 4
allowed comments isn't enough space to list Obama's failings, and
Hillary has admitted having her own well-known "baggage," which would
also dwarf the petty so-called failings of Romney. I expect the media will
focus endlessly on "binders full of women" type comments for the GOP,
and dismiss Benghazi-type affairs for Hillary as unimportant. From your list, it
seems you like it like it that way.
Yes this sounds like an excellent plan. Isolate the GOP to an even smaller
bubble. Go for it.
Oh, woe is the GOP.They were so sure that those 2011-2012 television
docudramas about Mitt Romney would give them the 2012 Presidency.The crack
in your suit of armor is getting larger, Repubs. You are coming across as
frightened and panic stricken.Hillary has had to put up with Bill's
shenanigans, but Hillary did not drive off on vacation with her dog on the roof
of her car: did not rough up a prep school classmate: did not send much of her
fortune off to the Cayman Islands; does not change her position on major issues
each week; has not insulted middle class Americans. I will let others fill in
the rest of Romney's failings. They simply cannot find a candidate that
can beat Hillary ClintonThe GOP is scared. They will try anything at this
point in time.
@ Chris B: If they wanted to air that and I sold them the rights to do so, of
course I would allow it.Did you read any of the rest of my comment?
Shocking as it is, for once you and I are in complete agreement. I
totally support this and the Card boycott. (There are a few differences, of
course - the consequences for not seeing Enders Game are nowhere near the same
as the consequences of not introducing your candidates to the voters, but
whatever.)The TV stations have a right to air the content (and I
applaud them for not giving in to the threats of the RNC) and the RNC has a
right to look totally silly by refusing to allow those stations to air the RNC
positions on the issues to potential voters.I mean really - those
stations are giving Hillary total name recognition and taking her into the homes
of voters and the RNC is refusing those stations the opportunity to do the same
for RNC candidates. Brilliant ploy. I'm sure it won't at all
backfire.Cutting off your nose to spite your face is, I'm sure,
totally inapplicable to this situation.
and once again the RNC tries to find blame for their failures everywhere but at
their own feet.
The RNC represents the political party that promotes the open-free market
philosophy... and then tells American voters that they want to limit the
Kalindra,"What about the free speech rights of those stations to
air what they want?"What a nonsensical comment. What if they
wanted to air what goes on in your bedroom?Surely you would allow
that since its free speech right?Anyone who supported the
Ender's game boycott and doesn't support this is a hypocrite.
What about the free speech rights of those stations to air what they want?Anyone who opposes the proposed boycott of Card's Enders Game
series and does not protest the actions of the RNC, is a hypocrite.Just as people have the right to boycott Enders Game, so to does the RNC have
the right to protest CNN and NBC. And people have the right to think they are
silly for doing so.
It seems like they did what they wanted to do anyway, cut back on the number of
debates, while finding somewhere else to lay the blame on for doing so.They want friendly moderators, i.e., someone who won't ask tough or
"unfair" questions. Fine. But this is part of the problems with the
debates anyway. You either get softballs thrown by the moderators, which tell
us virtually nothing about the candidates positions, or you get the tough
questions that they don't want asked because they don't have a good
"sound bite answer" for them, or you get the unfair questions that try
to throw a wrench into the works that try and play the "gotchya"
game.It seems like their biggest problem is that they don't
like the primary candidates beating up on each other and want to try and
minimize that through fewer debates. Get some serious candidates, not Newt,
Michelle, and Rick who muddy the waters through non-factual statements and
hyperbole. That might be a start.But in the end, all this really
does is give the voters less info on who they might be voting for.
Okay, Are the also dropping Fox?
Isolate your audience even more...who is running the RNC these days?
Seems like a fair response to me. I'm glad they did something.