Even as a byu fan, Chris B is my hero. He should probably have his own blog or
column. I would subscribe. I wish that I could meet chris b, he
sounds like an awesome person to head to an afternoon of football with!
I don't think coach Weiss cares about quarterbacks fielding punts or having
a big mouth. I recently watched Jake's game in the New Mexico Bowl. I
don't understand how BYU could allow anyone, especially someone who could
not throw, replace Jake. We hired a bunch of assistants who were nice guys but
were not experienced coaches. I wanted it to work, but after a few games it
was clear that changes had to be made. Too bad that Bronco waited too long.
Bronco was a great assistant. It is yet to be determined if he can ever be a
head coach. He certainly made a blunder when he put Jake on the bench.
So much irrelevant, meaningless discussion. BYU will never be able to recruit
the same as any other school. Nor do they want to. We're all encouraging
each other to be in the box. Take of the tinted glasses, one and all.
majCoug--"PAC 10 conference is finally regaining respect and so
that may be valid to some degree.""PAC 10" hasn't
existed since 2010."The question I raise is, 'does Utah add
to that level of respect in any fashion'. At this point I would have to
say no. They are more like what Vanderbilt is to the SEC. And even with that,
PAC 10 doesn't come close to the SEC."Is this like the
"respect" byu has brought to Independence, w/their sole "good"
win by virtue of luck at home by 3-points against USU? We expected a
period-of-transition to occur and even w/the issues we've had at QB,
we've done better than both ua/CAL over 2 years and aren't far behind
UCLA/ASU/OSU in our conference record.Regarding your team,
we're 2-0 against byu, to the tune of 78-31. byu is 2-3 against PAC-12
teams, playing them at random, not back-to-back, yet can only beat 2
bottom-feeders and getting utterly annihilated at home by the only 2
w/winning-records, to the tune of 96-34.Finally, are you talking
about 9-4 Vanderbilt?
majCoug--"The final judgement of any team sport is wins, losses.
Utes have BYU in head to head match up over the last few years. BYU has a
greater number of wins overall. Arguments can be made for both. Ute fans scream,
'but we have a tougher schedule'.SOS is brought-up a lot,
due to byu fans pointing to more wins, yet failing to acknowledge playing
against a significantly easier schedule.
Heaps' victories at byu--Washington while sharing QB-duties
[Fresh off of winning 5 total games the previous 2 seasons]SDSU by 3 at
home, mired in controversyWyoming by 5 at homeUNLVColorado
StateNew MexicoUTEP'Ole Miss which finished the
season w/2 winsCentral Florida at homeYes, Heaps knows all
about winning, doesn't he? NCs and all, to boot!
There's been a lot of talk about star ranking this, and star ranking that,
but what everybody has failed to point out is that there are only three things
that matter to BYU recruiters: spirit, tradition and honor. Thanks
for clarifying Bronco.*Boise State convert
Best of luck to you Jake! I'll be watching closely and pulling for you to
have a big season!!!
The final judgement of any team sport is wins, losses. Utes have BYU in head to
head match up over the last few years. BYU has a greater number of wins overall.
Arguments can be made for both. Ute fans scream, "but we have a tougher
schedule". PAC 10 conference is finally regaining respect and so
that may be valid to some degree. The question I raise is, "does Utah add to
that level of respect in any fashion". At this point I would have to say no.
They are more like what Vanderbilt is to the SEC. And even with that, PAC 10
doesn't come close to the SEC.
Stating one team is better than another because of the ranking of the recruits
they attract is suspect on many levels. It is eqivalent in some aspects to
saying a NFL team is better due to the quality of free agents they attract. It
all comes down to opportunity. Prep stars choose colleges they
commit to or transfer to based on multiple factors, including ability to play,
position depth, campus/school/study perks, facilities, personal ties, connection
with current players or coaches, national exposure, types of offense, defense to
name a few. In short they chose out of perceieved opportunity, not necessarily
Crisper,I agree with you that stars do matter. My posts are only
contradictory if you take them out of context (something you are quite good at,
so kudos for that). I have simply debunked your assertion that Kansas has
better athletes than BYU based on one years recruiting class (or that North
Carolina is better than Wisconsin based on consistent recruiting superiority).
Of course there is a correlation between high stars (talented
athletes) and on-the-field results, very few Cougarfans would disagree with
that. However, it isn't the only thing, which is why your reasoning behind
Utah being better than BYU based largely on their recruiting supremacy
doesn't hold much water. What happens on-the-field is what
matters most... so I'd stick with the head-to-head argument. Utah has a
legitimate claim to recent head-to-head superiority over BYU based on the
scoreboard (of course that will change in a few weeks). However, BYU is
consistently a top 25 team, something Utah (and Kansas) are not.
Wiscougar,You seem to be spinning your self around. Let's see if I can help.Your post at 9:08 this morning says
that byu typically outrecruits Kansas as evidence that heaps doesn't have
better athletes at Kansas is that right?So in this post you're
agreeing stars matter in terms of quality of players?And then
minutes later at 9:32 you suggest some teams outrecruit your second favorite
team, seeming to suggest those teams(pitt, NC, duke, Kentucky) aren't
better in reality than your second favorite team.Is that the point
you're making?So which is it?9:08 stars matter9:32 they don'tTry to keep up, with yourself.
Chris, I have a really really easy question for you (it only requires a yes or a
no, though I know you'll try to spin).My second favorite team
is consistently out-recruited by Pitt, North Carolina, Duke, Colorado, and
Kentucky (as in those other teams have higher star rankings almost every year).
Does that mean that those teams are better than my team?
RE: Chrisoper B.That's exactly why I used that example. Like
Stanford/Washington State, BYU almost always out-recruits Kansas (your original
point being KU is superior because they had one better recruiting class). Try
to keep up.
Jakes heaps and Riley Nelson will be FOREVER remembered for contributing to the
54-10 game. End of seasons ranking don't matter because BYU plays a weaker
schedule. Utah beat BYU 54-10 and that is never coming down and I know it digs
at the craw of every BYU fan on a daily basis.
Henry Drummond suggests "With the Kansas Jayhawks you have nowhere to go but
up."That should read "... nowhere to go but up, again."Kansas has been to a BCS bowl game, and won.
This is so easy it's embarrassing.Knowing what a school recruits for
makes a difference.Read, "Running into the wind".BYU is not
recruiting players that have a high star ranking.They do recruit people
who have a high GPAThey do recruit people who have high ACTThey do
recruit people who stand out on personal maturity.They do recruit people
who want to live by the honor code.They do recruit people who prefer to be
at BYUThey do recruit people who have an eccliziastical endorsement.They do recruit Div I capable athletes.As anyone, including our
most prolific poster can see that BYU does not care about your silly star
rankings.How many people did KU recruit that preferred to by at BYU,
live the honor code or have an eccliziastical endorsement?See KU did not
out recruit BYU.
Chrissy:"Look at AVERAGE STARS OF RECRUITS in 2014.I'll help you out.Utah 2.78Kansas 2.57byu 2.54LOLSorry that spin was easily debunked."I've seen the list of players Utah is going after, and I hate to break it
to U but Utah isn't getting many more than 1 or 2 4 star athletes from that
list. In the end I'm willing to wager that BYU and Utah will be much closer
in recruiting than U want to admit. BYU is having a great recruiting year and
still very hot on other 3 and 4 star players (btw most experts are saying Warner
should be 4 stars already, but he isn't moving much because he's
already committed). And OH NO, stop the presses, Utah's avg star ranking is
.24 higher than BYUs, "LOL". Like that's going to make any
difference on the field. This star fixation that U and AZUTE have only makes you
guys look foolish when u finish ranked behind BYU yr in and yr out, and
Washington St finishes behind U yr in and yr out despite out recruiting U as
Wiscoug pointed out and U haven't answered to.
Nothing more predictable than teammates talking up the QB in fall camp--
especially the receivers. They want the ball so the last thing they want to do
is alienate the QB.That said, everyone can change and I wish the
Jake the best of luck in trying to turn things around at Kansas, both for
himself and for the team.
I pray for Jake's sake that he'll do really well and be a great
success in Kansas. Whether he was treated unfairly or not at BYU, the fact
remains that he was noticeably unhappy when he was benched for Riley. And faced
with a bruised ego and the humiliation of being demoted after being so highly
touted, he simply couldn't accept being second banana to anyone. Remember
he was heavily promoted as BYU's quarterback of the future. So when it
appeared that reality was going up in smoke, his attitude totally changed and it
severely affected his desire to be a team player. I believe that's what
made him decide to transfer and I can understand that. Wished he stayed and try
to get his job back but he let his pride got in the way and I can't say
that I faulted him for wanting to leave.Honestly, I wish him much
luck in his future! Perhaps he'll eventually prove that we made a serious
mistake in not sticking with him. And if that happens, I'll be just as
happy and proud of him!
Seems like I've heard a lot of Jake Heaps pre-season hype before. If he
actually succeeds at KU, I'll be happy for him...and surprised.
Chrissy,"And guess which school in Utah recruits have wanted
every year the past 3 years on average?"So by your argument,
there are no recruits at BYU? There is no one playing football at BYU?Nor is there people who chose BYU over utah?By your same argument,
utah can't hold a candle to top teams that ACTUALLY compete in "Power
Conferences" for the same reasons you professed in your comments.
Therefore, the u won't get any more recruits either.Funny that
you want to argue recruiting classes that equal dominance. OK. the u has been
dominated by opponents with weaker recruiting classes (see ASU, Boise State).Your comments want to argue only one point. That the u is better than
BYU. Sorry buddy, you have one argument to make and that is that
you won the last game.That changes the 21st, then you will decline
just like your team into oblivion.LOL, yes, we are all
laughing at you. Not because you have an opinion, but for your audience. What
you thought you would come to the BYU comments and we would all go, "gosh,
he has a point."
Best of luck to Jake Heaps. I hope Kansas is fantastic this year. As
for BYU... BYU gets the Athletes it really goes after. The problem has been that
it passes up on some great athletes that would love to go to BYU but get offered
money to go elsewhere.
RE: Chrisopher B.You continue to make my point for me. If the only
indicator of whether or not an "athlete" is indeed an "athlete"
is the number of stars they receive from the recruiting services than you have
to concede that Washington State is better than Stanford, and that Utah is
inferior to Indiana. After all, WSU had a higher average star ranking in 2013
than Staford... If you continue to insist that "Jake Heaps will
now enjoy better athletes as teammates, even on a 1-11 Kansas team than he ever
enjoyed at byu" then you should provide actual evidence that there are more
"athletes" at KU. The teammates Heaps will "enjoy" at KU have a
lower average star ranking over the last four years (he's not just playing
with incoming freshman) than those who would have been his teammates at BYU. BYU
out-recruited KU in 2010, 2012, 2014 and had an average team ranking of 55.5
over the last five years while KU averaged 59.7. So again you have
failed to establish how KU has better athletes than BYU. Spin away...
How on earth was he benched in favor of Logan's favorite son?
who cares? He made a horrible impression on his BYU teammates. Why do we care
what he's doing??? Enough with these articles please.
"Jake Heaps impressing his Kansas Jayhawks teammates"Time to
get over it BYU media! Prima Donna quarterback Jake Hypes is long gone and will
never come back to Provo.
stufoo,YesPlaying time mattersSo does positionAnd coachingAnd teammatesAnd guess which school in Utah
recruits have wanted every year the past 3 years on average?UtahUtahUtahBoth head to head recruiting AND average stars, Utah
has won the recruiting battle between byu, Utah, and usu.The Pac 12
Robert Anae's return to BYU is proof that Heaps decline under Doman was
BECAUSE of Doman. Heaps ended his freshman year soaring under Anae and then
Doman took over and tried to change a drop back passer into an option QB. The
Doman experiment soon soured and now Anae is back. I can 100% guarntee you that
Anae would give anything to have his old QB back. Heaps IS a drop back passer
and a good one. He will do well at Kansas. BYU used to be a drop back passing
school and is trying to reclaim that once again under Anae. Mistakes mistakes...
Chrissy,"Are you going to claim that Alabama didn't
outrecruit byu because they didn't go head to head on any(perhaps 1-2)
kids?"No I am asking you to show me any kid who was recruited by
both schools so we can see it your other argument even holds water. Which it
doesn't.Your problem is that you think that your membership in
a power conference means something and that it is the only thing that these kids
are thinking about.I can guarantee you there are several things
above the conference that are more important. Just to name a few...1. Playing time.2. Position recruited.3. The coaching staff.4. Teammates.Your problem is your are blinded like a Justin Beiber
fan into thinking that a conference is the all encompassing factor with
importance that blinds all others. You are so giddy about being in the PAC 12
you fail to notice your utes are slipping into oblivion.Oh an by the
way, you can say LOL all you want...but people aren't laughing
with you, they are laugh at you.
@Wiscougarfan,My whole point is that Jake Heaps will now enjoy
better athletes as teammates, even on a 1-11 Kansas team than he ever enjoyed at
byu.And if you think stars aren't a good indicator of success,
reality disagrees with you.5 stars have a greater likelihood of
being drafted than 4 stars4 stars higher than 3 starsand
3 stars higher than 2 starsAnother interesting thing about that
second group you mention(Utah, Stanford, Texas Tech, byu, and Kansas State)They all had top 5 seasons in the last decade, EXCEPT one!Guess who?byU!lol
Cougsndawgs:FAIL.byu typically recruits much earlier
than other schools, and the Scout recruiting info I'm looking at show byu
with more recruits.You're comparing apples to oranges since
Utah is still determining who is worthy of a scholarship.Want to
compare apples to apples?Look at AVERAGE STARS OF RECRUITS in
2014.I'll help you out.Utah 2.78Kansas
2.57byu 2.54LOLSorry that spin was easily
debunked.And if you think stars don't matter, let me share this
with youa 5 star has a greater chance at being drafted in NFL than a
4a 4 higher than a 3and a 3 higher than a 2Spin, spin, spin!Sorry that was too easy!LOL!
Chris B, What was the final rankings for BYU and Utah the last two year
huuummmm?Give you a hint, your Utes finished behind USU and BYU last
year. Teams play a whole season not just one game; get a clue
RE: Chris B."When a 1-11 team has a better recruiting class than
a supposed football power (per byu fans only), it speaks volumes about how
prestigious the respective football programs are."That's
ridiculous. By that reasoning in 2013 Cincy #52, NC State #53, Indiana #49,
Northwestern #47, Washington State #38 would all be superior to Utah #54,
Stanford #56, Texas Tech #59, BYU #63, and Kansas St #68. Do you seriously
believe that Washington State, Kansas, and Indiana are more prestigious than
Stanford? Nice try but your spinning doesn't add up.
I find it interesting that Chris thinks it is more impressive to be a butler in
a mansion in the city than own his own 4000 square foot beautiful home in the
suburbs.HINT: He may need someone to help him understand the
Lots of comments by Chris B. Must be a BYU football article. He is as true
blue as they come.
Chris B:You might want to check the rankings out for 2014 where your Utes
are sitting pretty at #70 while BYU is above both U and Kanas (Kansas is rated
above U also, "LOL").I guess athletes are starting to
realize, now that conference realignment craziness is over, that going to a
power conference cellar dweller is no better than playing for a WAC or MAC
school. They'd much rather be playing on national TV all over the country.
I can just hear the convo between a Ute recruit and his mother: Mom: "what
channel will u be on again?" Ute: "the speed channel...er wait I think
it's Fox Local Obscure Sports now". You said it Chris, "LOL"!
Christine,How does it feel to continually LOSE to cellr dwellers in
power conferences?Ute Seniors 4-0 SWEEP!
"Fellow power conference University of Utah utes"My little
sister forgot to type the entire sentence. What she meant to say was
"Fellow cellar dweller in a power conference University of Utah utes"
@StuFoo,Are you going to claim that Alabama didn't outrecruit
byu because they didn't go head to head on any(perhaps 1-2) kids?LOLWhen a 1-11 team has a better recruiting class than a supposed
football power(per byu fans only), it speaks volumes about how prestigious the
respective football programs are.The best programs typically get the
best athletes(go look at Alabama'a recruiting classes last several
years).If byu really was half as prestigious of a football program
as football fans believe, you'd have enough quality athletes signing to
beat any 1-11 KANSAS football program.KANSAS. FOOTBALL.Not exactly known as a football power.And yet apparently they are
more desirable football destination that Provo!LOL
I'll believe the Jake Heaps' Kansas hype when his practice jersey
comes off and he still has the confidence of his teammates
Chrissy,Exactly which recruits "saw a school that just went
1-11, and they saw byu"Please provide us anyone recruited by
both schools.Funny that now it is about recruiting and not about
where you end up in the W/L column.See you on the 21st. Then I
won't see you at all.And you can stew on that for two years.
@Wicougfan,"According to what metric"The latest
recruiting results.Scout shows that for 2013 Kansas out recruited
BYU.So these recruits saw a school that just went 1-11and they saw byuAnd better athletes picked a 1-11 BCS Kansas team
over byu.Speaks volumes.And obviously Utah beat both
those teams in recruiting.Those metrics.
To any one who thinks Jake was mistreated by BYU...or that Kansas out
recruited BYU...or that Kansas coaches can do better...A
neighbor of Jake's family told me that Jake pouted endlessly after being
taken out of the USU game and that his dad started to look for another college
the next morning. I also know he became toxic in the weight room and lost his
team and support.I don't wish Jake any ill will. I hope he does
well now that a little diversity has come his way. But, how do coaches deal with
a player who felt entitled to the position, became a cancer on the team, and
lost the respect of his team mates while his dad shopped around for colleges?I would have benched him too. Regardless of the stars or the
"athlete status." Football is a team sport. For some, the
prestige is more important than substance. It is like proclaiming you're
in a power conference as some sort of achievement that justifies your
accomplishments on the field throughout a season. Lame.
Re: BlueCoug"Breaking News: Dallin Leavitt suffered a hip
flexor; maximum recovery time - 7 daysEric Thornton is moving from
WR to field cornerback. Thornton was doing well as JD Falslev's backup.Robertson Daniel will move over to field corner. Mike Hague will
continue to recover from injury to play boundary corner.While still
challenging, Bronco is making adjustments and BYU's corner situation is not
nearly as dire as some have characterized it."Thanks for the
update.-----------Wishing Jake good luck at Kansas and
hope he has great success this season. With a little more patience, he could
have added his name to the long list of BYU greats.
Chrissy,"Fellow power conference University of Utah utes"u said it. Yep u are exactly right the 1-11 Kansas program is right in
line with your team in a power conference. Every power conference has those one
or two members that are "part of the team" be default.You're like the equipment manager who tells everyone he's on the
"Under average coaching Heaps would be a very good QB."I
believe Weis is a good coach, so time will tell. "Yes, a 1-11
Kansas team out recruited byu."According to what metric? BYU
has out-recruited KU (Scouts and rivals team rankings) three of the last five
years. I'm thrilled for Jake. I thought he was a great get
for BYU back in 2010 and showed a lot of promise as a freshman. He undeniably
took a step back as a sophomore, and I suspect part or the reason is he
didn't have the full support of his teammates. It sounds like he has that
at KU, plus another two years to develop--I think we can expect a great season
My little sister is simply jealous that while even a power conference basketball
school like Kansas is able to attract 5-star QBs like Heaps, our Utes are forced
to make do with 2- and 3-star QBs.
I really liked Heaps. I will never understand how some one who did
so well under center his Freshman year could be treated so poorly by the schools
fans and the Coaching Staff in his Sophomore year. I know he played poorly in
some games but he was the future. Could you imagine where he could have been in
BYU's program this year had he been treated right and stayed? In my
opinion a huge mistake by BYU was made when this kid got away.You
can't cry over spilled milk I guess.Best of luck to you Mr.
Heaps! I hope you enjoy all of the success you deserve at Kansas this year.Go Utes!
With BYU, a quarterback is always living with the ghosts of the fading Glory
Years. With the Kansas Jayhawks you have nowhere to go but up. Best of luck to
Jake must be thrilled to be surrounded by better athletes as teammates than
he's had previously.Yes, a 1-11 Kansas team out recruited
byu.Apparently when a recruit can choose1) 1-11 BCS team
in a power conference with real athlete teammates or2)
byuAthletes are choosing the 1-11 Kansas option.I
can't imagine its a breath of fresh air being surrounded by other talent.
Good luck Jake
Kansas is lucky to have such a highly skilled player.Under average
coaching Heaps would be a very good QB.Under great coaching he could
be phenomenal.Jake knew that a 1-11 Kansas team would be a better
place to pursue a BCS bowl and better coaching than his previous school. Good luck Jake, I'll be cheering for you as you fight in a
prestigious power conference.Many former fans are jealous of your
power conference membership.Sincerely,Fellow power
conference University of Utah utesGo Heaps!