Published: Sunday, Aug. 11 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Terry, if you don't want an abortion, don't get one. If you don't
want to be a member of the democratic party, then....oh, never mind. That ship
sailed a long time ago.
It's nice to know Mr. Gunn is a single issue voter.Enough said.
Very good letter! Thank you for writing it! I can not support today's
Democratic party because I have value conflicts with them. Everything that I
esteem to matter the most, everything I hold as the most important, sacrosanct
principles in my life and my highest priorities in my life are in direct
conflict with the Democrat party's agendas. To compromise my principles
with them would be to deny everything I hold sacred. What kind of person
compromises these things?
George W Bush was president for 8 years. Republicans controlled both houses of
congress for 6 of those 8 years. During the entire period the Supreme Court was
composed of 7 Republican appointees and 2 Democratic appointees. So what was the
result of all that Republican control regarding abortion policy? Pretty much
nothing. Basing your votes on abortion is simply not going to have the outcome
that you think it will.Also, if you support a ban on abortions after
20 weeks, which I do, the poll says you would be in a majority in the Democratic
As if the only issue for voters is abortion.
@Mountainman. Then you surely can not be a republican because they have no
values as well.
"Everything that I esteem to matter the most, everything I hold as the most
important, sacrosanct principles in my life and my highest priorities in my life
are in direct conflict with the Democrat party's agendas."Overwhelming odds are that they are also in direct conflict with what the
Republican party does also.
This also explains why I can't support either major party. They each favor
violence as a remedy: one before birth, the other after birth.
In the article the author opposes the Utah Democratic Party by telling what
he/she considers wrong with the national Democratic Party in the instance of
abortion.I think what is wrong with the Utah Republican party is the
performance of the party here in Utah. Specific examples include a long list of
scandals among Utah Republican leadership and their abysmal treatment of public
education.There is no excuse for defending the absolute power of the
one-party system in Utah, and that would be true regardless of the party.
Let's dump the one party state house, senate, and statewide officers that
we have as soon as possible--the next election.
@ Shaun and Joe Blow. Actually, the worst enemy the unborn have is the
Democratic party, not the Republicans. The worst enemy traditional sanctity of
marriage is the Democratic party, not the Republicans. The worst enemy the 2nd
amendment is the Democratic party, not the Republicans. The worst enemy self
reliance and human dignity (the opposite of government dependence) is the
Democratic party, not the Republicans. Detroit is the best and most recent
example of the fruits of the Democratic party in America! Hard to deny reality
all the time, isn't it?
Your worst enemy list may have some merit.But a better question that
you should ask yourself is NOT if the Dems are worse than the GOP.But if the GOP has or will do anything in those areas?Has the GOP
done anything to end abortion?Has the GOP done anything to expand gun
rights?Are GOP controlled states looking to curb entitlements?I would think you would be in the camp of "the GOP stinks in what is
important to me, but they are better than the Dems".Instead, you
give them a pass as being just a bit better. Which is all they have to be to
get you solidly in their camp.
@ Joe Blow. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yes, Republican have tried to
get Roe v Wade overturned, have tried to eliminate taxpayer funded abortions
(planned parenthood defunded) and have tried to pass laws limiting late term
abortions but the Democrats have blocked all of those efforts screaming about
"women's rights" totally ignoring the rights of the unborn to life.
The Republicans have fought to defend the 2nd amendment but Democrats keep
hyperventilating and howling in protest even though gun laws do not prevent
crime, even in Chicago!Yes, the GOP, in control of both houses at the
time, passed the welfare reform act and Democrat Bill Clinton reluctantly signed
it but Obama wiped away the law (illegally) and food stamp recipients have more
than doubled since. One has to wonder if millions of those food stamp, housing
subsidy or Medicaid recipients didn't win the election for Obama?How
can anyone who values any of the above vote for Democrats?
Both sets of my grandparents were respectable, hard working people and they were
Democrats! Yes, it's possible to be a great person and be a Democrat. I
also find myself leaning towards this party since they have had answers for the
country in various areas and I agree with most of their agenda. Republicans,
however, seem to choose a few "hot button" topics to judge them by.
Abortion is one of those. No, abortion isn't the answer to pregnancy
issues, but PREVENTING unwanted pregnancy is. Do Republicans talk much about how
much abortion issues have gone down now awareness is increased (which, by the
way, mostly Democrats put into place). There are now fewer abortions than ever
and many more adoptions. On healthcare issues, the Democratic party created
something (not perfect) but a good start to solving our healthcare crisis while
Republicans want to dismantle it. Republicans truly seem to be the party of NO,
while Democrats tend to look for solutions to our problems.An Independent
(but I tend to vote Democratic)
It's possible to not favor abortion but to find even more important the
economic philosophy of the parties. A vote for Republican economics is a vote
for economic disaster. The verdict is in, and Republicans have been proven wrong
on just about every stance they've taken in the last ten years. They keep
trying to restate the same bad arguments, but rewording nonsense doesn't
make it reasonable.
As always, Mountanman is right on. How lame is the excuse, that the Democrats at
least did something, even if it was not right thing? In this day and age, and
the POOR ability of this giant bureaucracy filled government to correct itself,
and end the entrenched crud that gets put in place as legislation, how dumb do
you get in supporting that notion?
Years ago when I was working for OSHA, the boss said the Democratic Party was
better off when it was active securing the working man his rights, before
abortion rights and so on. He was on to something. The writer is right. But
if the Democratic Party were more active in supporting working class people,
supporting the right of unions to organize, and less in bed with Wall Street
banks (like the Republicans), many would overlook issues like abortion and so
on. Or take another example, if the Democrats had come out slugging for single
payer health care instead of the mishmash Obamacare and its give away to
insurance companies, many more Utahns would support the Utah Democratic Party.
The argument for "balance" is utterly lame.
The fact is Republicans have been using abortion as political red herring for 40
years to get votes.They are the LAST group to actually want it
reversed, because it's their political bread and butter at the voting
booths.They can bomb any coutry,spend any dollar figure,and award any corporation grants, contracts, or bailouts,without any
negative repercussion so long as they SAY they against abortion.Saying you are against something, and doing something about are 2
completely differnt things.
The simple solution would be not to have an abortion, if you're opposed to
abortion.I am opposed to jumping off high cliffs, so I don't do it.
Utah does not vote for the Democrats because of some nebulous position on
Abortion. Really? What about a homogeneous dogmatic religious culture, a
significant lack of media voices expressing a more progressive political
positions? How about a long standing connection to radical conservative
political bodies like the John Birch Society?. How about some religious leaders
taking conservative positions from the pulpit and discussing them as being
divinely inspired? And given the race of the present occupant of the White
House, is there any latent racism at work? After, all Mia Love did lose in a
heavily republican gerrymandered district to a gasp! a sort of Democrat.
To the author, there is nothing you can do to end abortions. They will happen
whether or not you ban them. Ban sex. Your record on the right is just as
futile. Since you prefer the backroom scenarios and will not address the issues
that make them a preferred option then hold on to your chair because they will
continue and the lives of mothers will be lost with the fetus. Desperate
situations create desperate solutions. The only reason for Roe v Wade was for
healthcare access, not just abortion. When you want to ban contraceptives and
adoption averages 40k per then I think it's time for you to broaden your
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