previous reply apparently lost in moderation limbo.procuradorfiscal:
"...real people...Real Utahn's..."Please define your
concept of "real" in this context. You have used this construction in
previous comment threads. Channeling Inigo Montoya, I don't think it means
what you think it means. Utah (and the US) is full of a wide variety of people,
not all of whom subscribe to your viewpoints, yet they are every bit as real as
you are. Your "Real Utahn" is a fantasy.Please look up the
"No True Scotsman" logical fallacy.
Re: "I'm sure the caustic sage of Tooele would support opening up the
lands in his back yard . . . ."Just for the record -- the people
of Utah, through our elected representatives, ceded state jurisdiction over
Dugway Proving Ground, Toole Army Depot [though most of that has been or will
shortly be returned], and the Utah Test and Training Range for military use.Tell you what -- let's continue to insist the feds cede ALL Utah
lands back to Utah, and then we'll let Utah's people figure out
whether we want to keep Dugway, the Depot, and the UTTR open, or not.I'm betting real people know and appreciate the value of these important
national assets, much to the chagrin of Birkenstock-shod academics and
out-of-touch "environmentalists."Real Utahn's are a lot
smarter than liberals hope we are.
procuradorfiscal: "They must be returned to their former, multi-use status,
available to meet the needs of all, not just a tiny, but vocal cabal of
Birkenstock-shod academics and out-of-touch
'environmentalists.'"Over 1.5 million acres (over 2400
square miles) or a third of the land area of Tooele County is federal land
locked up in single use, precluded from public access and economic development.
Considering that this area is bordered by such valuable mineral lands as the
Mercur district and Gold Hill, one can only imagine what benefits opening these
federal lands to multiple use could provide. I'm sure the caustic sage of
Tooele would support opening up the lands in his back yard to meet the needs of
all, not just a tiny, but vocal cabal of the military establishment.
A great help to the situation would be state control of a large portion of the
now federally owned and controlled land. This would include leaving the
existing wilderness areas and national parks under federal ownership but would
broaden the usage of the other federal lands according to the desires of the
local and state population.
@andyjaggyThat is what the fight is all about. If the
environmentalist get there way then all of Utah will be considered wilderness
and no vehicles will be allowed. We just want to preserve what we have now!
I already see a lots of multiple use on our public lands. I see lots of
drilling, I see lots of grazing, I see tons of ATV usage, I even see some
limited logging, and yes I see areas that are off limits to all of the above. It
seems however that some won't be happy until every square acre of Utah is
available for their ATV's to ride on. As an avid outdoorsman I don't
see many problems with our public lands, I'm glad I see lot's of land
being drilled and supporting the current boom in Eastern Utah, I am glad there
are tens of thousands of miles of ATV trails for those that enjoy that sport,
and I am glad there is lots of land that I can go to to get away from the hum of
ATV's for a true rugged and remote wilderness experience. I will continue
to donate to causes that help preserve that land so that my kids and grand kids
can have the same experience. I guess if that makes me a birkenstock wearing
liberal than so be it.
The best thing to do for our public lands is to take them from the control of a
few political and bureaucratic elites, and make them truly public lands.They must be returned to their former, multi-use status, available to
meet the needs of all, not just a tiny, but vocal cabal of Birkenstock-shod
academics and out-of-touch "environmentalists."Most of all,
public lands must be protected from cynical liberal politicians' attempts
to pass them out as party favors to buy off leftist "green"