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Published: Monday, Aug. 5 2013 1:00 p.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

That is fine if that is her opinion, but there is nothing inherently wrong with lingerie, lingerie models, or wanting to be attractive.

God could equally be pleased by a girl leaving a religious school to become a lingerie model, if they continue to be a good person.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Why not?

Religionists are becoming increasingly vocal and overbearing, shoving their religion and judgmentalism in everybody's faces anyway, so why not be fashionable about it?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Chris B,

So you would want/encourage your daughter to be a Victoria Secret model? You would be thrilled to show her work product to all of your friends? You would be pleased to hear folks on the street commenting about her work product?

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Twin Lights – “So you would want/encourage your daughter to be a Victoria Secret model?”

That’s an interesting question and for me the gut response is, no. But then I have to ask why… what is it about the (mostly) naked body that makes us flip out?

Intellectually, I think the Europeans have much healthier attitudes towards nudity than we do (and interestingly enough, far less problems with pornography, sex crimes, etc…), but since my gut reaction is what it is, I’ll just chalk it up to Puritan DNA.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Twin lights,

If I had a daughter and she wanted to be a model, God would not care whether she chose to be a shoe model, wristwatch model, rain coat model, or lingerie model.

The fact that someone may enjoy seeing her in lingerie impacts in no way shape or form the "right" or "wrong" of being a lingerie model as opposed to any other model I mentioned.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Chris B,

I am not concerned (here) about whether God would care but whether you as her earthly father would care. Please just answer the questions.

Would you (not someone else - you) want/encourage your daughter to be a Victoria Secret model?
Would you want to show her work product to all of your friends?
Would you be pleased to hear folks on the street commenting about her work product?

Tyler D,

I think it is because we realize that there is another product being sold besides the lingerie. It doesn't make me flip out. But the way it is done makes me uncomfortable.

If were just about the product, that can be advertised in the abstract or on a dummy. OR, it could be advertised using very standard looking people.

Given that is not what is done (and it is done for other products as well) what is being sold is the human body. No matter how we slice it, there is a bit of pimping in selling the human body that way. Hence, an inherent discomfort (at least for me).

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Does it not cause anyone issue that Religion is being used to sell clothing?

Is it about religion, or making money?

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Twin,

Yes I would be just as proud of my daughter being a lingerie model as I would if she modeled rain coats.

Some time people are prudes and can't accept the fact that being a good lingerie model takes as much work as being a good teacher or pilot or engineer.

Some people who wear underwear that covers them head to toe think that other adults who wear normal underwear are somehow evil and immoral.

And I take issue wit that.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Twin Lights – “No matter how we slice it, there is a bit of pimping in selling the human body that way.”

Cutting to the chase, this is about sex and yes sex is a powerful thing. What I was really trying to get at was, “what is the healthiest attitude(s) we can have towards sex?”

And my point about Europe was to suggest that their “no big deal, it’s just a body” attitude might be healthier than the repressive attitudes of our forbearers (Puritans). I think the more we make natural things taboo, the more powerful those repressed feelings become, and eventually those feelings come out in often ugly and destructive ways.

Is it just a coincidence that Utah has the highest rate of internet porn consumption?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Tyler D,

If it truly were “no big deal, it’s just a body”, then any body would do, right? It would not have to be slim, attractive, young women. It could be any woman if it were truly just a body. But that is not what we get. So I have to assume it is a big deal to someone.

I can’t speak for others but the US of today hardly seems sexually repressed.

As to Utah’s consumption of internet porn - that might be a reaction to its lack of availability elsewhere (at least where folks would be comfortable consuming it). I would be more interested in total consumption.

Chris B,

It is not about work for me but what my daughter would really be selling. If you are comfortable with it, okay. But most I know (not LDS) would not be.

I have no idea why I would think the vast majority of folks around me who wear, I assume “normal underwear” (I don’t really ask - I would consider that prying) are evil. I would not associate with them if I thought that.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Twin Lights – “If it truly were “no big deal, it’s just a body”, then any body would do, right?”

No… and for the same reason most of the actors on our favorite shows look the way they do, or that we would rather look at a waterfall instead of a garbage can, or prefer a Rembrandt to the doodlings of a guy name Bob.

@Twin Lights – “I can’t speak for others but the US of today hardly seems sexually repressed.”

Then why wear clothes in weather where it’s not necessary? It’s not about sexual repression per se; it’s about how our culture sees the body as both an object of lust and something to be ashamed of and unnecessarily covered.

My point is that on a psychological level, those are two sides of the same coin.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Tyler D,

My favorite actor is Tony Shalhoub. No worries about wanting to see him wearing less.

But your points about beauty do not translate to raw sexiness and that is what Victoria Secret ads have. Also, we have many favorite folks whom we may even consider attractive, that do not have the super bodies that are always on display in these types of ads.

I don’t see the body as an object of shame. Like our minds, it is what we do with them that can be either praiseworthy or shameful.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Twin Lights – “But your points about beauty do not translate to raw sexiness and that is what Victoria Secret ads have.”

I disagree, at least in part.

Yes, photos can always be made to look enticing and there is a slippery slope that ends in abject pornography, but here’s the point I was trying to make.

If a woman on a popular beach in America were to remove her top, this would no doubt stir a lot of feelings in the men who were within eyeshot. However, the same thing happening on a beach in Europe (I’m guessing) does not generate near the same effect… why?

Simply because when you see something every day in a normal/real context (real, not perfect, women walking around vs. sexy objectifying photos) it begins to be “no big deal.”

And the fact that clothing is ubiquitous in society seems to counter your point about shame. No doubt there are other factors, but shame and embarrassment certainly figure in.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

Who decides that a lingerie model is immoral? Somebody is immoral because they are beautiful? If a person has a bad thought, don't blame it on the lingerie model, please! Take responsibility for your own thoughts. I argue with people all the time who have no problem talking about why I am immoral because I am gay. The things I have heard! I have to point out to them that if they have those disgusting and immoral thoughts, they are coming from within themselves because they know nothing about my actual intimate life! Yet they seem to think of the most immoral things! Don't blame the model for some immoral thought that comes from within yourself! I can't begin to tell you the pain that comes from people's judgments! To think of how much of my life gets judged on things that are not even real! I think it is tacky to put scriptures on cloths. It doesn't make a person any more moral and it makes people feel like you are cramming religion down their throats. To each their own.

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