Published: Monday, Aug. 5 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
"When essential services began to decay, people left, taking their tax
payments with them. (Who wants to live in a city that can't collect its
garbage?)"Really.... people moved away because of city services?
Take San Francisco for example, one the most anti-conservative city
known, and a city not unfamiliar with public workers strikes. There is no
exodus from the city by the bay.. and it has many or all of the same
"problems" Bennett claims. Its about jobs. People move
to, or move away because of jobs. These is no rush to the Dakotas because talk
of the wonderful city services in these cities. Are people really flooding to
Texas because of the talk of how wonderful city services are in Houston? Its
jobs. Trying to make the flight of people about services is absurd.But on the other hand, Detroit does have out of control property and yes,
income taxes. And people and business will relocate when options are available.
But still isn't enough to make people leave. San Francisco and New York
both have extremely high taxes - and yet retain people because of - Jobs. Not
city series, not taxes. Jobs.
Is it just me...Or does Bob Bennett lecturing about the blame voters
have in the fall of Detroit... instead of the corrupt politicians who bought
votes with union goodies... ring a little hollow?
Detroit is the museum of the fruits of socialism. We have all watched the growth
of socialism in our own country, championed by Democrats. We have all observed
it in operation in other lands. What none of us have ever seen or will ever see
is how socialism has freed the hearts of men of selfishness and greed or of it
bringing peace, prosperity, industry, thrift or self-respect. These things it
will never bring nor will it do away with idleness, dependence and poverty for
it is founded in theory and practice on force, an evil principle.
From the sounds of things, the city of Detroit went exactly where the U.S. as a
whole is headed. We are bankrupting ourselves through irresponsible decision
making and entitlement programs. Just like the city of Detroit, what is our
answer? Borrow more in order to continue to pacify the pathetic, gluttonous
citizenry who continue to demand those entitlements even though we cannot afford
them. Don't worry folks, the day of reckoning for our foolishness will
come, and like with Detroit it will be uuuuuggggllllly when it does.
Bennett is careful to distance himself from the auto bailouts, ignoring the fact
that his bank bailouts were equally devoid of principle. He helped to put the
U.S. on the same path as Detroit.@UtahBlueDevil "It's about
jobs."What you say is true: it is primarily about jobs. But in
Detroit -- as in other places that embrace socialism -- corruption and squalor
and unemployment go hand in hand.
From the pen of Robert Bennett: "Governmental employee unions
are not automatically detrimental to good government"Not
automatically detrimental to good government. I wonder how difficult it was for
Mr. Bennett to pen the above words?
We are a REPUBLIC, not a democracy and as soon as we all learn it and truly live
it, the better off we will all be.
"A democracy will fall once people discover that they can vote themselves
largesse out of the public treasury," has proven itself true in
Detroit”. Bob Bennett.Republicans and their ilk will usually blame
the victims for their disaster. As if the voters actually had any
say in the spending of taxpayer money on non-government scams created by
businessmen and other parasitic groups like the Arts, entertainment, tourist
industry, and many others unwilling to do their own work to earn money. Uncontrolled business is a plague that affects All Americans in every
town, city, county and state, and especially Utah.
Wow, 47 unions! Sounds tough. Actually this fragmentation of labor makes it
easy on the city. The pensions being threatened are quite modest, averaging
about $18,000 per year. Who holds Detroit's debt? The same banks who
created the 2008 collapse through sales of their bogus securities (few or none
of these guys have been prosecuted). Look at the big picture.
Oh please. The emptying of Detroit was due to a structural shift in the auto
business, not due to the desperate measures of the people who still try to live
there. The blame lies with the BIg 3 automakers, who had no foresight and let
their market move away from them. Bob's arguing with the desperate people
left behind, not with the people responsible for the Detroit disaster.
@Ultra Bob - Um...by virtue of the fact that they are voters, they do have a say
in how their taxpayer dollars are spent. They elected the officials who've
helped the the city into this mess, and they didn't bother to vote them
out. The public has far more control over the government they've been lead
to believe. @Iron Guy - You can't blame the Big 3 for
Detroit's downfall. Last time I checked, elected officials were in charge
of the government, not the local businesses. Detroit failed to react to its
changing circumstances. Once a city that was home to nearly 2 million residents,
its population now resides somewhere around 700K. Yet, amidst all that
shrinkage, the city's number of employees remained the same. Granted, a
municipality exists to serve the local businesses as well as its residents, but
as both the population and the number businesses begin to shrink, so should the
government. Governments need to operate within their means, just like the rest
of us. Detroit's government is as much to blame as are the
people who put (and kept them in office.
The unions and the government colluded to "guarantee" profits to the
workers living in Detroit. Neither unions nor government had the authority to
"guarantee" anything. The people of America have the right to buy
whichever they think best meets their needs. Only a dictator could tell
Americans that they had to buy an American made automobile or that they had to
by a GM or Chrysler car. Obama set those things in progress, but the value of
the stock shows that, even with two sets of books, that his scheme is failing.
Americans do not want to buy GM or Chrysler, when given a choice.Companies also have the choice of where to do business. The taxes and
business climate of Detroit made it impossible to make a proper profit when the
business was headquartered in Detroit. No amount of "government edicts"
can change the fact that business will go wherever necessary to make a
reasonable profit.Dictators have tried - and failed - to change that
"rule". Detroit is bankrupt because it believed that it was "above
A living wage with a retirement package is clearly outrageous.Capitalistic Banksters trashing the US economy...No problem.
like domino's...Detroit is only the FIRST of the BIG LIBERAL run cities to
implode. Liberalism is finally being seen for the heart attack that it really
re: patriot "Liberalism is finally being seen for the heart attack that it
really is." To a point I agree. Liberalism is seen as an inadequate
measure. Capitalism is failing. Liberalism doesn't have the theoretical
base to deal with it. Only socialism can save the day. I do not doubt that we
are in for a lot of conflict in the days and years ahead. I hope we can stay
reasonably civil in the conflict. But we will do what is necessary.
@marxist "Only socialism can save the day."Does it ever
bother you that socialism never works out in practice? And that it so often
leads to totalitarianism?It sure does bother me."But
we will do what is necessary."So will we, my friend. I hope this
doesn't mean we're going to have trouble.
@ Howard Beal:You must have missed the news - this is the 100th
anniversary of our Constitutional shift changing us from a Republic to a
Democracy, by virtue of the 17th Amendment (ratified April 8, 1913). Yes - we
actually amended our own Republic into the trash bin. And as Alexander Tytler
and Thomas Jefferson tried to teach us, no Democracy has ever lasted more than
200 years - they all bankrupt themselves and end in Tyranny. The readers can do
their own homework to verify this - if they care to.
That is the big argument. Did liberalism or capitalism fail Detroit. I am
going to say it was l lot of both and just plain political corruption and
One of the best things about the USA is a mobile workforce: the ability to move
from one state to another state with relative ease. Detroit, as a major city,
failed to compete for businesses with other major cities. Auto businesses
relocated and are doing just fine in other cities. The heyday of
union labor is wrapping up as globalization takes over.
Nate, correct. By bailing anyone out you remove moral hazard. Basically,
don't worry about making good or tough decisions, if you blow it someone
will let you off the hook. With banks the derivatives market is now closing in
on four quadrillion dollars, that is almost four thousand trillion dollars.
Moral hazard at work.The editor did a massive injustice to Bob
Bennett. At the top of this article they post a picture with a quote from an AP
source that says Detroit was unique. No where in Bob's writing does he
state that. You have put words into his mouth. Side note, these contracts and
abuses, and limited economic base are found in many, many places across the
country. Detroit is just the biggest.Finally, Detroit must not be
bailed out. As a city it is totally recoverable though it must seek a proper
balance, which means hit rock bottom. Bailing out Detroit means the Unions get
rewarded. Weak city officials get to avoid making tough decisions. They are
bankrupt and yet they want to finish a $400 million hockey stadium. Wrong!!Thanks for this editorial. Next editorial address the challenges of
'next steps' in Detroit, and America.
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