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Charles Krauthammer: How truly fractured is the Republican Party?

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    2 bits said: "Low information voter" is code for people who decide who they will vote for based on who promises them the most stuff (regardless of race). It's also code for people who decide who to vote for based on TV commercials, sound bites, or just vote based on the letter by the name, or the guy with the best speeches.
    It's not code for any race or any party.

    I agree with your "definition," but must point out the obvious oversight, in that only one party uses this phrase continually on their hate radio revival show and associates it with the demography atl134 mentioned.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    atl134,
    "Low information voter" is code for people who decide who they will vote for based on who promises them the most stuff (regardless of race). It's also code for people who decide who to vote for based on TV commercials, sound bites, or just vote based on the letter by the name, or the guy with the best speeches.

    It's not code for any race or any party.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    @Miss Piggie
    "Democrat use the low information voter to get elected time after time"

    Then why are Democrats not winning the south (the region with the worst education scores)? Oh I see what it is... "low information voter" is a code phrase for black and hispanic.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    @wrz
    "It won't be the GOP that is threatening to shut down the government. It will be the Senate and the White House."

    Except for the part where Lee and Cruz openly state that they're threatening to shut down the gov't if there's funding for Obamacare... and besides, they're openly trying to sabotage a program. There is no possible way that their obstruction of Obamacare funding is going to help anyone.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    Ernest,
    Wnen you say, "Repubs need to let a guy like Hunstman to lead them". You are basically saying Repubs just have to nominate Democrats to make you happy. Then we would have a Democrat running against an ultra-Democrat again (like we had when McCain ran against Obama).

    It would be nice if you could just wipe the other point of view out and just have a Democrat and a Democrat in every Presidential election. But I like having alternatives (even if they loose). I don't know how long it's been since we had an election where there was a real alternative to "Big Government Neocons". Even Romney was not all that different than Obama or Bush on most things.

    You sound like Nancy Pelosi when she pined, "elections shouldn't matter so much" (google "Pelosi elections shouldn't matter" and listen to her comments).... Politicos like Nancy and Earnest want it to not matter WHICH candidate you vote for (becasue you'll get the same thing no matter which one wins).

    That's the only choice we've had in Presidential elections lately... Republican-Neocon or Democrat-Neocon (meaning gov-expansion, military-expansion, spending-expansion fans).

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    I have to laugh when I read the selfreightous Democrat defenders posting like only Republicans would ever block something, or de-fund something, or not pass a budget and causing a government shutdown. They have such short memories (or no intellectual honesty).

    Democrats were doing the exact same things when Reagan was President.

    I remember how many times we had actual government shutdowns (actually happen, not just threatened) during the Reagan administration.

    My job at the time made me painfully aware of every time a budget deadline would pass, and nonesential services were shutdown, or Congress would pass a short interum-budget to fund essentials while they debate for another week or a month, over and over.

    My job was to write the computer algorythm to calculate the reimbursement a hospital would get for a given diagnosis-related group. So every time we had a new interim-budget the Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement would change, and the algorythm would change (sometimes for a few day), and the constants the Hospitals used for their calculations would change.

    This happened numerous times every October. And Democrats were doing it (back then). But it's OK when Democrats do it.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    Is it a real problem if a party is fractured? Is it a big problem if different people in the same party have different thoughts and opinions?

    I would think it would be a BIGGER problem if everybody in the party thought and said the same things.

    That would mean they have drank their fill of the party coolaid and are no longer thinking for themselvs and are just echoing the party line.

    To me THAT.. would be the bigger problem.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Miss Piggie said: "Anyone who would vote for the likes of Bill Clinton (or his wife) falls in the category of Rush Limbaugh's low information voter."
    "Romney's problem, was that he over estimated the intelligence of the average American."

    I agree Rush Limbaugh does appeal to low information voters again and again along with sean and glen.
    Romney underestimated the intelligence of the American public and thought he could convince them that going back to the same policies that got us in trouble under bush, would work this time because Mitt's has a different name?

    Bring some new ideas or something that will work besides repeating the failure of economic trickle down, or tort reform as a healthcare overhaul and people might begin to listen but calling people dumb for not falling for the same thing again isn't winning converts.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    I used to be a Republican. But insanity drove me out of the party for good. (Theirs, not mine!) The no-compromise, obstructionist stance of the extremists who have taken over the party is guaranteed to doom the GOP to irrelevance and eventually make about 75 percent of the country angry at them.

    Mike Lee is a poster child for the kind of childish political pouting that characterizes the Tea Party. The Utah GOP needs to put forth a serious centrist challenger to Lee when he comes up for reelection and then get the whole corrupt party apparatus in line behind the challenger. Lee is an embarrassment to the state every time he opens his mouth.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:05 p.m.

    Romney followed Fox, Hannity and Limbaugh and ruined it.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Aug. 4, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    I do not always agree with Mr. Krauthammer. But he hits squarely on center here.

    Moderate and old-style conservative Republicans are being chased out of the party (e.g. Bob Bennett, Dick Lugar). In the days of Reagan, these guys were mainline conservatives.

    Democrats do not need to do much to succeed. The Republicans are doing it all for them.

  • Miss Piggie Pheonix, AZ
    Aug. 4, 2013 9:44 p.m.

    @Henry Drummond:
    "If you relish the idea of having Bill Clinton back in the White House, albeit in a slightly different role this time, you are heading in the right direction."

    Anyone who would vote for the likes of Bill Clinton (or his wife) falls in the category of Rush Limbaugh's low information voter.

    @JSB, Sugar City, ID:
    "Romney's problem, was that he over estimated the intelligence of the average American."

    You got that right. Democrat use the low information voter to get elected time after time. I guess that's not so dumb since it seems to work.

    "I believe things will get worse and worse."

    You got that right as well. And it will be Obama's fault. Can't, for the life of me, understand why terrorists picked his birthday to launch terror attacks throughout the mid-east.

    PS: How's dear old Sugar?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    Repubs need to let a guy like Hunstman lead them back to the land of the sane.
    They need to deal with real world issues and problems and ignore the angry rich white guy.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    Aug. 4, 2013 9:28 p.m.

    Well Charles, you've put your foot in it this time. You say...

    "... GOP insurgents are threatening to shut down the government on Oct. 1 if the stopgap funding bill contains money for Obamacare."

    It won't be the GOP that is threatening to shut down the government. It will be the Senate and the White House.

    Remember ((if you can) per the US Constitution, it's the responsibility of the House to develop and pass budgets. It's the House who decides what will be funded and what will not be funded. If the House passes a budget (or CR) that funds the government and not Obambcare, the government will not be shut down. That bill will go to the Senate and if the Senate disapproves, it will be the Senate, controlled by the Democrats, that will be shutting down the government. And if the Senate approves the House budget and it goes to the president for signature and he vetoes the bill, it will be the White House, controlled by the Democrats, who will be shutting down the government.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 8:46 p.m.

    The republican party has some fractures, it is true. But at least SOME of the republicans have it right. All the democrats have it all wrong. They follow, like lemmings, a failed president to the country's financial grave, just like California and Detroit have followed their democrat leaders to their financial graves.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 8:12 p.m.

    At least 3 freshmen ideologues and numerous talk show types lead the republican party.

    Just ask Romney, Ryan, McCain, Bohner Kantor and McConnell.

    The republican leadership(?) has been and continues to be AWOL.

    The republican leadership(?) will not make a move without checking which way the ldeologue/talk show types wind is blowing.

    Yes...the republican party is fractured.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Aug. 4, 2013 8:07 p.m.

    "I saw a man at one of our national parks in southern Utah with a t-shirt that proudly proclaimed "Compromise is for Losers".

    This mentality is striking in its selective memory of the Founding Fathers - for example - who engaged in anguished compromise to get our Constitution created."

    Well said. Reagan and Lincoln were other examples of great leaders who understood the importance of compromise.

    I almost always agree with Krauthammer.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Aug. 4, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    Democrats are united behind one principle: say whatever is needed to get elected. It should be a great time to be a Republican, but they don't have the sense to see their way out. They should never have gotten Karl Rove to do the thinking for them.
    America needs a liberal party. Someone besides the Dems. The Republicans could be that party and they would not have to yield on their principles.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 4, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    After the last fiasco of an election, I could care less about who gets nominated from either party. Washington (the house, the senate and the administration) is full of a bunch of corrupt, greedy, immoral, unethical and selfish people from each party. Romney's problem, was that he over estimated the intelligence of the average American. For the first time in my life I don't have confidence in the future of this nation. I believe things will get worse and worse. The real issues aren't laws and policies; what is destroying our nation is ethical corruption: in politics, in business, in industry, in labor, in unions, in education, in local and state governments, in the sports industry, etc, etc, etc. Hang on, it's going to be a rough ride.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 4, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    They say that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. It looks like Republicans are going all out to flatter the Democrats by pulling the same "my way or the highway" approach to politics Democrats are famous for. They are also getting the same results.

    They are losing elections they could have won, they are getting a President they despise re-elected, and they are holding important legislation hostage to fringe causes. If you relish the idea of having Bill Clinton back in the White House, albeit in a slightly different role this time, you are heading in the right direction.

    Enjoy the cliff dive.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    Actually, there will be no GOP breakup. Republican moderates are old and dying off. The crazy ideologues from the South (and Island Utah) will soon be running the party, and then we will see it fade shouting in the distance.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    There have always been differences within political parties that have provoked great debate and disagreement.

    The GOP in 2013 is notable because one group is (seemingly) incapable of any kind of compromise, with anyone. If you differ with them you're an infidel, whether you're a Democrat, another Republican, non-political or just a member of the public. You're wrong, they're right, end of discussion, and they'd be happy to shut down the government or induce an economic depression to further their inerrant points of view.

    I saw a man at one of our national parks in southern Utah with a t-shirt that proudly proclaimed "Compromise is for Losers".

    This mentality is striking in its selective memory of the Founding Fathers - for example - who engaged in anguished compromise to get our Constitution created.

    (But as a Democrat, this kind of GOP infighting is great to watch, because many of the positions the self-proclaimed fundamentalists espouse are politically toxic. If your opponent is self-destructing, by all means, stay off the stage and let them continue. Send somebody to the store for more batteries for the microphone.)

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    "The other battle is about defunding Obamacare. Led by Sens. Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, the GOP insurgents are threatening to shut down the government on Oct. 1 if the stopgap funding bill contains money for Obamacare.

    This is nuts."

    ==========

    Did you hear that Republicans?

    Those are not my words --
    Those words came from your darling Charles Krauthammer, right here in the Deseret News.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 4, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    You, it is hard for me to say this.... but this was a well reasoned and thought out piece by Charles. I have absolutely nothing against Republicans. We absolutely do need a lean, effective government that knows how to stay inside the lines. For example, as Charles states, most Americans don't want to repeal Obamacare... they want it fixed. This all or nothing proposition that some seem so willing to take, no matter the collateral damage incurred only hurts the Republican brand.

    Disagreeing on tactics and agenda is what politics is all about. Demonizing half the country to win political points is a most counter productive quest. It took Charles some guts to write this... I am glad he did. Equal needs to be written about Harry Reid and his crowd as well. The right answer lies in the middle of the two ends.