Published: Sunday, Aug. 4 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
You, it is hard for me to say this.... but this was a well reasoned and thought
out piece by Charles. I have absolutely nothing against Republicans. We
absolutely do need a lean, effective government that knows how to stay inside
the lines. For example, as Charles states, most Americans don't want to
repeal Obamacare... they want it fixed. This all or nothing proposition that
some seem so willing to take, no matter the collateral damage incurred only
hurts the Republican brand.Disagreeing on tactics and agenda is what
politics is all about. Demonizing half the country to win political points is
a most counter productive quest. It took Charles some guts to write this... I
am glad he did. Equal needs to be written about Harry Reid and his crowd as
well. The right answer lies in the middle of the two ends.
"The other battle is about defunding Obamacare. Led by Sens. Mike Lee and
Ted Cruz, the GOP insurgents are threatening to shut down the government on Oct.
1 if the stopgap funding bill contains money for Obamacare.This is
nuts."========== Did you hear that Republicans?Those are not my words -- Those words came from your darling
Charles Krauthammer, right here in the Deseret News.
There have always been differences within political parties that have provoked
great debate and disagreement.The GOP in 2013 is notable because one
group is (seemingly) incapable of any kind of compromise, with anyone. If you
differ with them you're an infidel, whether you're a Democrat, another
Republican, non-political or just a member of the public. You're wrong,
they're right, end of discussion, and they'd be happy to shut down the
government or induce an economic depression to further their inerrant points of
view.I saw a man at one of our national parks in southern Utah with
a t-shirt that proudly proclaimed "Compromise is for Losers".This mentality is striking in its selective memory of the Founding Fathers -
for example - who engaged in anguished compromise to get our Constitution
created. (But as a Democrat, this kind of GOP infighting is great
to watch, because many of the positions the self-proclaimed fundamentalists
espouse are politically toxic. If your opponent is self-destructing, by all
means, stay off the stage and let them continue. Send somebody to the store for
more batteries for the microphone.)
Actually, there will be no GOP breakup. Republican moderates are old and dying
off. The crazy ideologues from the South (and Island Utah) will soon be running
the party, and then we will see it fade shouting in the distance.
They say that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. It looks like
Republicans are going all out to flatter the Democrats by pulling the same
"my way or the highway" approach to politics Democrats are famous for.
They are also getting the same results.They are losing elections
they could have won, they are getting a President they despise re-elected, and
they are holding important legislation hostage to fringe causes. If you relish
the idea of having Bill Clinton back in the White House, albeit in a slightly
different role this time, you are heading in the right direction. Enjoy the cliff dive.
After the last fiasco of an election, I could care less about who gets nominated
from either party. Washington (the house, the senate and the administration) is
full of a bunch of corrupt, greedy, immoral, unethical and selfish people from
each party. Romney's problem, was that he over estimated the intelligence
of the average American. For the first time in my life I don't have
confidence in the future of this nation. I believe things will get worse and
worse. The real issues aren't laws and policies; what is destroying our
nation is ethical corruption: in politics, in business, in industry, in labor,
in unions, in education, in local and state governments, in the sports industry,
etc, etc, etc. Hang on, it's going to be a rough ride.
Democrats are united behind one principle: say whatever is needed to get
elected. It should be a great time to be a Republican, but they don't have
the sense to see their way out. They should never have gotten Karl Rove to do
the thinking for them.America needs a liberal party. Someone besides the
Dems. The Republicans could be that party and they would not have to yield on
"I saw a man at one of our national parks in southern Utah with a t-shirt
that proudly proclaimed "Compromise is for Losers".This
mentality is striking in its selective memory of the Founding Fathers - for
example - who engaged in anguished compromise to get our Constitution
created."Well said. Reagan and Lincoln were other examples of
great leaders who understood the importance of compromise. I almost
always agree with Krauthammer.
At least 3 freshmen ideologues and numerous talk show types lead the republican
party.Just ask Romney, Ryan, McCain, Bohner Kantor and McConnell.The republican leadership(?) has been and continues to be AWOL.The republican leadership(?) will not make a move without checking which way
the ldeologue/talk show types wind is blowing.Yes...the republican
party is fractured.
The republican party has some fractures, it is true. But at least SOME of the
republicans have it right. All the democrats have it all wrong. They follow,
like lemmings, a failed president to the country's financial grave, just
like California and Detroit have followed their democrat leaders to their
Well Charles, you've put your foot in it this time. You say..."... GOP insurgents are threatening to shut down the government on Oct. 1
if the stopgap funding bill contains money for Obamacare."It
won't be the GOP that is threatening to shut down the government. It will
be the Senate and the White House.Remember ((if you can) per the US
Constitution, it's the responsibility of the House to develop and pass
budgets. It's the House who decides what will be funded and what will not
be funded. If the House passes a budget (or CR) that funds the government and
not Obambcare, the government will not be shut down. That bill will go to the
Senate and if the Senate disapproves, it will be the Senate, controlled by the
Democrats, that will be shutting down the government. And if the Senate
approves the House budget and it goes to the president for signature and he
vetoes the bill, it will be the White House, controlled by the Democrats, who
will be shutting down the government.
Repubs need to let a guy like Hunstman lead them back to the land of the sane.
They need to deal with real world issues and problems and ignore the angry
rich white guy.
@Henry Drummond:"If you relish the idea of having Bill Clinton back in
the White House, albeit in a slightly different role this time, you are heading
in the right direction."Anyone who would vote for the likes of
Bill Clinton (or his wife) falls in the category of Rush Limbaugh's low
information voter.@JSB, Sugar City, ID:"Romney's
problem, was that he over estimated the intelligence of the average
American."You got that right. Democrat use the low information
voter to get elected time after time. I guess that's not so dumb since it
seems to work."I believe things will get worse and
worse."You got that right as well. And it will be Obama's
fault. Can't, for the life of me, understand why terrorists picked his
birthday to launch terror attacks throughout the mid-east.PS:
How's dear old Sugar?
I do not always agree with Mr. Krauthammer. But he hits squarely on center
here.Moderate and old-style conservative Republicans are being
chased out of the party (e.g. Bob Bennett, Dick Lugar). In the days of Reagan,
these guys were mainline conservatives.Democrats do not need to do
much to succeed. The Republicans are doing it all for them.
Romney followed Fox, Hannity and Limbaugh and ruined it.
I used to be a Republican. But insanity drove me out of the party for good.
(Theirs, not mine!) The no-compromise, obstructionist stance of the extremists
who have taken over the party is guaranteed to doom the GOP to irrelevance and
eventually make about 75 percent of the country angry at them.Mike
Lee is a poster child for the kind of childish political pouting that
characterizes the Tea Party. The Utah GOP needs to put forth a serious centrist
challenger to Lee when he comes up for reelection and then get the whole corrupt
party apparatus in line behind the challenger. Lee is an embarrassment to the
state every time he opens his mouth.
Miss Piggie said: "Anyone who would vote for the likes of Bill Clinton (or
his wife) falls in the category of Rush Limbaugh's low information
voter.""Romney's problem, was that he over estimated the
intelligence of the average American."I agree Rush Limbaugh does
appeal to low information voters again and again along with sean and glen.Romney underestimated the intelligence of the American public and thought he
could convince them that going back to the same policies that got us in trouble
under bush, would work this time because Mitt's has a different name?Bring some new ideas or something that will work besides repeating the
failure of economic trickle down, or tort reform as a healthcare overhaul and
people might begin to listen but calling people dumb for not falling for the
same thing again isn't winning converts.
Is it a real problem if a party is fractured? Is it a big problem if different
people in the same party have different thoughts and opinions?I
would think it would be a BIGGER problem if everybody in the party thought and
said the same things.That would mean they have drank their fill of
the party coolaid and are no longer thinking for themselvs and are just echoing
the party line. To me THAT.. would be the bigger problem.
I have to laugh when I read the selfreightous Democrat defenders posting like
only Republicans would ever block something, or de-fund something, or not pass a
budget and causing a government shutdown. They have such short memories (or no
intellectual honesty).Democrats were doing the exact same things
when Reagan was President.I remember how many times we had actual
government shutdowns (actually happen, not just threatened) during the Reagan
administration. My job at the time made me painfully aware of
every time a budget deadline would pass, and nonesential services were shutdown,
or Congress would pass a short interum-budget to fund essentials while they
debate for another week or a month, over and over. My job was to
write the computer algorythm to calculate the reimbursement a hospital would get
for a given diagnosis-related group. So every time we had a new interim-budget
the Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement would change, and the algorythm would
change (sometimes for a few day), and the constants the Hospitals used for their
calculations would change.This happened numerous times every
October. And Democrats were doing it (back then). But it's OK when
Democrats do it.
I also fully agree with UtahBlueDevil's assessment – it is a good
article by Sir Charles.I would also state to those who think the
Republican Party is going to wither up and die, just remember Mark Twain's
words about his supposed demise. It is not going to happen.I am
still a life-long fairly conservative Republican, and in spite of the likes of
Mike Lee and others in the party who are talking pure nonsense, I am not about
to jump off the cliff.The Democrats also have their extreme
individuals whose views are way out there where the busses never run."Ain't this a great country?"
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