What I think the Republicans should do is keep the message simple, but maybe
pick the top five least favorite aspects of the ACA and explain they will
specifically defund those in the continuing resolution bill -- such as, the
national records database or the 15 member evaluation panel, and so forth.Be sure to mention that the few popular aspects of the law, coverage for
young adults on parents insurance, etc. will not be affected.Then
pass the bill onto the Senate and watch the Dems have a meltdown fit.
One of the problems here is that Gerson and others will not characterize
Lee's proposal truthfully. For example: "Cruz and crew have proposed
to cut off funding for THE GOVERNMENT unless President Obama agrees to defund
the Affordable Care Act."This is false. What they propose is to
have a continuing resolution bill sent out of the House that funds all of the
government EXCEPT FOR ObamaCare. So Gerson tries to convince us that his
characterization is essentially true, because the President would be provoked
into a veto -- and thus an ACTUAL SHUTDOWN OF GOVERNMENT is "the only
realistic outcome of Cruz's [and Lee's] strategy."Wrong. Because for such an event to happen, the Senate would have had to also
pass that House bill. Republican House / Democratic Senate both pass the bill,
the President vetoes it, and Republicans are blamed? Yeah, right.Senate Democrats will NEVER send such a bill to the President's desk.
I am not a fan of Mike Lee but to call President Obama a good or successful
President is a stretch...
Romney already wrecked it.
Could some one please tell me what Senator Lee has accomplished in his term of
office so far.Rather than a continual stream of no votes what has he done
positive. Has he sponsored any significant piece of legislation that has
passed the Senate?
@patriot"wait until January when people see how much health care is
going to cost through their state exchange"Wait until people
making under 4x the poverty line realize they get subsidies to help pay for
@FT1/SSVirginia Beach, VA====== As one Veteran to
a soon to be other -- Good!Let's start with cutting your
VA benefits and retirement.
The Republican Party says it is against Obamacare so it should refuse to fund
it. Man up GOP!! ...or you WILL surely cease to be a power in the
country. The people are not represented; most are against nationalizing
healthcare and against the individual mandate. The Dems and Repubs represent no
one but themselves, with some honorable exceptions.What would I do
about healthcare? I would tell people to stop living reckless lives or take the
consequences. No one can afford to save your skin; unusual cases might be
funded by choice which is the role of private charities and willing benefactors.
That and legitimate environmental issues being regarded could do far more the
health of the people than either current private practice or a micromanaging
Good! Let the GOP collapse, and a true conservative party rise up! I know the
majority of active duty, and veterans would jump on board. Short term pain, and
long term gain is our only chance. I've been reading the political writings
of President Ezra Benson, who predicted our country would ride this road.
"The constitution will be hanging by a thread" Joseph Smith. Both
political party's are dooming our country.
ACA was the topic of discussion at work. All were opposed to it and all liked
parts of it. Our health care system is currently dysfunctional. Health care
exchanges were Republican ideas proposed by the likes of Newt Gingrich.
Partisan politics, not the ACA will be Americas downfall.
wait until January when people see how much health care is going to cost through
their state exchange ...that the cost has gone up ...way up. I suspect there is
going to be a fair amount of sticker shock and open mouths and shaking heads....
and it will be from people on the right and the left. Obama lied...and everyone
is about to see those lies hit home.
Lets face it, as society becomes increasingly immoral and uninformed the GOP
does not have much of a future anyway.
To label oneself as a patriot for taking a certain position and anyone who
disagrees with you as against the constitution is a sure way to lose all
credibility as a legislator. If everyone felt this way, congress would never
function. First of all, it is not up to individuals to determine what is
constitutional. That is up to the judicial system. We are county of laws, not
of individual determination of what is legal, or constitutional. Those who
believe otherwise would destroy the very country they are purporting to save.
For the fact the President has given variances, held up some of the parts from
going into effect next year and other processes to be stopped or held in
abeyance for awhile, is why you don't pass a law and then read it. The
President could have had over 500 lawmakers be a part of the process of Health
Care but he wanted to ramrod the Act and bypass some of the intent of the
Constitution and even common sense. He had his moment and now has to have some
discourse with the Congress and not just the House. The President believes he
controls all of government from the White House but even stays away from there a
lot of the time to have face time with the world. In a time of severe economic
problems, the world must really enjoy seeing him spend all our money and his
time and 1000s of others in support of his tours.He and Hillary
really know how to use their flight miles at our expense on the world stage.
Hey, weekly, "Obama is ruining my lifers",What's your take on
the fact that the UK and Scandinavian Countries, among others, have not fallen
into desperate times, throwing their citizens out into the streets to fiend for
themselves? Socialism abounds, including your dreaded "socialist
health system"And........Those of us traveling there, and those of us
who have needed health care while there, have felt well taken care of.
@Mike Richards"What Senator Lee is doing will save healthcare. Why is
that a bad thing?"Saving healthcare is not a bad thing. However
many people including myself disagree with your assessment that saving
healthcare is what Senator Lee is doing. @David"I'd
like all of those who voted for Obama to offer their honest assessment of the
direction of our nation."Moving in the right direction but very
slowly. I attribute the blame for it primarily to a Congress that screeched to a
halt after the 2010 midterms divided control. Considering that approval ratings
for Obama are around 45% while approval ratings for Congress are around 15%,
this is a common view for people who voted for Obama to have."Do
they honestly believe that Obamacare is a good thing?"Yes, but
it could've been better if we had a public option or medicare buy-in...
"Will Democrats vote against God again during their convention?"I would hope so (yes, I am a Christian), after all we're not a
theocracy and it'd be just as inappropriate for any other religions'
god to be used at the convention in that type of manner.
Re:Miss Piggie"Others have claimed an Independent Payment
Advisory Board created by the law will be charged with rationing care. The
15-member IPAB — made up of doctors and medical professionals, economists
and health care management experts, and representatives for consumers and
seniors — is tasked with finding ways to reduce the growth in Medicare
spending. But as we have noted before, the law explicitly says that the
IPAB’s proposals “shall not include any recommendation to ration
health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums … increase
Medicare beneficiary costsharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and
copayments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility
@marxist:"Medicare was enacted because elderly could not afford health
care, and hence died without it. Medicare has been a godsend to them."My aunt Sophie who's on Medicare moved to town and needed a family
doctor. Not one doctor in town would take her as a new Medicare patient. She
was denied even if she agreed to pay the bills from her own pocket. Why?
Because the doctor didn't want to run the risk of her switching to Medicare
after becoming a patient."The ACA has the promise of doing the
same for the masses of uninsured."Yes, the ACA gives insured
healthcare to everyone. Which means everyone will start flooding to the doctor
for the simplest of reasons... such as a hangnail or a pimple on the nose. And
who pays the bills? The insurance company... from premiums. And who pays the
premiums? The people of course... and the government for the poor. The bottom
line is... health costs will soar. Or (gasp) the government will have to start
cutting back, deciding who shall get what healthcare. Who's gonna suffer
the most? The elderly, like my aunt Sophie.
@MapleDon – “Your "just go with the flow" logic defies
me.”It’s the difference between fighting a battle you
can win and one that you can’t – which is the whole point of the
article.The ACA was passed fair & square (as ugly as the sausage
making process was) and was affirmed by the Supreme Court. Your only
sound option at this point - and by “sound” I mean what the
Constitution intended in a Republic – is to win in the marketplace of
ideas and at the ballot box. The sort of ideological & uncompromising
factionalism we see on display here is something the Founders railed against ad
nauseum. And these tactics make the Tea Partiers look like
post-Civil War Confederates fighting the Lost Cause.
So, accepting the inevitable (Obamacare) would do us and the Republican Party
greater good, than trying to fight it? Huh? Your "just go with the flow"
logic defies me. I'm glad a few senators are bold enough to
stand up to the insane spending, spying, and expansion of our government. And
it's no surprise that the media despises these men.
@no fit in SG:"Miss Piggie, Should you extend you discussion with your
doctor and other physicians and surgeons, you will find that elderly people have
be denied the procedures... for very long time."My doctor gave
several examples contradicting your assertion. Of course, if a patient is 110
YO and needed a lung, heart, and kidney transplant to survive I can see where it
would be denied. Bu that should be between the patient's family and the
doctor. Under Obamacare the government will decide life or death. That
ain't good and is not the role the government should be taking. Why?
Because it reminds us of the days when the King (such as Henry VIII) could
decide if you should go to the 'tower' and loose your head (Ann
Boleyn, et.al.). "Families and physicians/surgeons find that
this is a sensitive situation. As elderly patients and their loved ones learn
the possible things that can go wrong, and the quality of life issue following
such a procedure, frequently, a life saving procedure will never take
place."That should be up to the family and the physician, not
So far extreme to the Right, it would seem Mike Lee is actually working
for the Left.
"...But there are a few bold, determined public officials who may rescue
Obamacare. Among them are Sens. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and Mike
Lee, R-Utah."...".Oh the wonderful irony of this
prediction!"...Americans would need to side with a distrusted
faction of a disdained institution, which is pursuing a budgetary maneuver that
even many Republican lawmakers regard as aggressive, desperate and
doomed...".Proceed Senator lee.Aggressively
desperate and doomed...Perfect.
Miss Piggie, Should you extend you discussion with your doctor and other
physicians and surgeons, you will find that elderly people have be denied the
procedures you speak of for a very long time.Many insurance companies have
a long record of denial, and not only for elderly citizens. Babies, children,
teenagers, young adults, and middle aged adults have also been frequently
denied. This has been the case for decades.Another fact to remember. The
elderly, in many cases, are not strong enough or healthy enough to survive many
medical or surgical interventions. Families and physicians/surgeons find that
this is a sensitive situation. As elderly patients and their loved ones learn
the possible things that can go wrong, and the quality of life issue following
such a procedure, frequently, a life saving procedure will never take place.
Awe, the infamous "Patriot." Flag on lapel, no service record, short
sale fiscally responsible, obstructionists are not "patriots" no matter
how many times you say it.When are the conservatives going to choose
a True Patriot, a champion of and for the people. Not a corporate meat puppet
with goals of turning America into a third world sweat shop.What was
Mikes job before? Oh yeah, getting hotter nuclear waste into Utah by litigation
or forcing Utah to accept the waste, real patriot.
When Roberts declared the mandates a tax, he struck a mortal blow against
liberalism. But it's a slow bleeder, so the liberals haven't realized
yet what has been done to them. It will become evident in days to come.In the shorter term, the responsibility for Obamacare now rests exactly where
it belongs: on the branch of government closest to the people. Congress will
hear from the people in 2014 and 2016, with repercussions for the next
presidential election. The stench of ACA will cling to the Democrat Party for
decades.They own this mess.
@Blue:"Not by any stretch of the imagination is there a conflict
between the Affordable Care Act and the constitution."Nowhere in
the Constitution is the government authorized to take over the nation's
healthcare. Article 1.8, which enumerates the powers of the Government, says
the government can 'regulate' commerce. 'Regulate' does not
mean take over commerce. Obamacare is a clear overstep and violation of
government powers. Technically, politicians who put Obamacare in place (all
were Democrats) could/should be impeached.And how about this... I
talked with my doctor just the other day about Obamacare. He told me that,
after a certain age, seniors will be denied certain costly procedures necessary
to perhaps preserve their health or even save their lives. If/when you get old
and need critical medical attention you'll suddenly realize that
you've been duped into believing Obamacare was a good thing. You'll
be obliged to follow Obama's suggestion to... 'just go home and take a
pain-pill.' Sarah Palin got it right with her 'death panels'
remark. The government will decide whether you should live or die which
ain't in Article 1.8.
The false belief associated with this editorial is that the GOP will be
"doomed" by standing up for a principle that ought to be front and
center of the GOP. I think it is more likely that the GOP will be doomed by a
continuing need to get along with the Dems. Truth will never be
found while wearing blinders to proven principles or while listening to voices
which proclaim progress while ignoring the lessons of the past.
Medicare was enacted because elderly could not afford health care, and hence
died without it. Medicare has been a godsend to them. For that reason it has
broad support. The ACA has the promise of doing the same for the masses of
uninsured. Senator Lee needs to know that if people can't get access to
health care once the possibility is created by ACA due to the actions of the
Republican Party, there will be rebellion in the streets, and the GOP will be
the new Whigs.
Senator Lee is a leader, a patriot and a man who understands the Constitution as
well as any Supreme Court Justice. Read his book on the Obamacare decision. It
is well-reasoned and solid in its facts. He is not playing the Hatch/McCain
game of giving up on principle in order to "get something done" in
Washington. He has hit upon a principle which is aimed at trying to preserve
some freedoms that are going to be sacrificed upon the altar of the "general
welfare" of the public. His position is consistent with the free market
economy and freedom from government tyranny.We could use another
Senator from Utah just like him - and about 50 others from across the nation.
Viva la Senator Lee!
@Mike Richards – “He's looking at ObamaCare from a
Constitutional viewpoint and he sees that he is obligated by his oath to defeat
that bill.”Do you see no irony in thinking Senator Lee’s
views on the Constitution trump those of the Supreme Court?The new
Tea Party bumper sticker for 2014 should be – “We
don’t let pragmatism, common sense or “strategiry” stand in
the way of principles.”
"Sen. Lee's strategy on Obamacare would doom GOP's future"There are a few patriotic Americans who would put their careers on the
line to preserve America. Many brave men and women have put their lives on the
line, and yes, even gave their lives up to preserve America. These are the true
patriots. Others like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Charley Rangel and yes, even
Orrin Hatch refuse to do the patriotic thing if they think it might jeopardize
their political career. God help us!
Every Republican (and some democrats)who have run for office since 2010 have
vowed to repeal Obamacare. What better way to repeal Obamacare than to de-fund
it? Were the Congresspersons who vowed to repeal it just kidding?Spending bills come from the House. Sure, Obama can veto them but I
don't understand how, if the House passes a bill, and the President
doesn't like it and vetoes it, the fault lies with Republicans.No doubt Obama's media bff's will help him "spin" the issue
as much as possible, but I'm not sure the actual thinking American public
will agree that its all the fault of Republicans. Americans aren't that
"The Supreme Court already ruled that it was Constitutional. By raise of
hand, who here believes that Mike Richards knows the Constitutional better than
9 appointed judges?"My hand is raised! Actually it was not 9 who
ruled it constitutional, only 5, and Roberts had to contort himself into a
double pretzel, in order to pull that on off. Furthermore with persons like,
Sotomayer, Ginsburg, Bryer and Kagan, in the list of nine, the court has become
so diminished, I could find better credibility from a select group of 3rd
MikeRichards,Since no else replied to your request to "cite the
clause in Article 1, Section 8 that allows Congress to tax us for
healthcare" I will take a stab at it.Article I Section 8
states:"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,
Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence
and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises
shall be uniform throughout the United States"The Supreme Court
has labeled the Affordable Care Act as a tax. Because this tax is deals with
the access and affordability of healthcare I believe it is reasonable to place
it under the General Welfare section of this clause.In fact Chief
Justice Robert in his ruling on the Affordable Care Act wrote:"Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid
it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness."You may not agree
with the Affordable Care Act, it is pretty clear that the Constitution allows
for such a law.
Mike Richards, get over it. The Supreme Court already ruled that it was
Constitutional. By raise of hand, who here believes that Mike Richards knows the
Constitutional better than 9 appointed judges? Yeah, didn't
think so.There's a reason why Democrats are Lee's #1 fans
(other than tea party purists, like Richards). He is destroying the GOP. I read
in this very paper a few days ago that Lee is likely to face some pretty stiff
competition from his own party. That says a lot. But by all means,
keep cheerleading him on! Democrats love Mike Lee!
Re:MikeRichards"What does "popular opinion" have to do with
truth?"Anybody who believes Obama was born in Kenya is truth
challenged.Who pays the ER/hospital medical bills for the uninsured?
Obamacare is entering the realm of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. These
publicly funded mammoths have struggled for public support throughout their
existence. Obamacare is in its infancy, but will gradually gain momentum and
credibility.Our great-grandparents, grandparents and parents paid
their fair share into these. And they benefitted enormously from these mammoth
social support programs. Our children and grandchildren will
continue to be recipients of these stable programs and the foresight of earlier
generations. It takes courage, optimism and at times sacrifice to care for our
It is critical that Democrats entrench as many Americans into the taxpayer
subsidized portion of Obamacare as possible. Like all entitlements, (food
stamps, housing subsidies, free healthcare and free cell phones,) the more
takers the more difficult it will be to get rid of it. The only way Obamacare
will survive is if 40 million or so Americans get free healthcare at taxpayer
expense! Never mind the abuses will be tremendous! That explains why Mrs. Obama
has been on TV inviting Americans to sign up for free healthcare.
What does "popular opinion" have to do with truth? What does "mob
rule" have to do with a Republic? We vote for men and women to protect and
defend the Constitution against "popular opinion" and "mob
rule". Senator Lee was elected to protect us against those who would ask
government to wipe away their sniffles. Senator Lee knows the difference
between "mob rule" and constitutional authority. He is protecting us
against those who tromp all over the Constitution as they demand that someone
else pay for their personal obligations to provide for their own healthcare and
for those necessities of life that everyone needs. They want a "nanny"
to tuck them in at night after giving them cookies and a cup of warm milk.Mike Lee knows the difference between personal welfare and general
welfare. It's too bad that many posters don't know that difference.
Doom and gloom are all the GOP have offered since Bush vanished.@David, I think that parts of Obamacare are great like most Americans. When
asked about the specifics of the law, like coverage for students/missionaries,
or the pre-existing conditions part, most like those, personally I would have
preferred the single payer option but I can see someone is at least trying
instead of kicking that can down the road looking for another war.Health Insurance should not cost the same as a monthly mortgage yet
that's where they were going, and ignoring it wasn't slowing it
down."Will Democrats vote against God again during their
convention?" Please inform yourself, or you look as silly as the
entertainers you get your news from.Mike your interpretations of the
Constitution are Opinions.Mike Lee, do something for America, your
party is dying on the vine and you are hastening it's demise.
According to polls, Republicans in Congress are viewed less favorably than
either Congressional Democrats or Obamacare. Carry on Senator Lee!
"Are they honestly pleased at this point? Do they honestly believe that
Obamacare is a good thing? "It's a small step in the right
direction. Making healthcare financing a hash of public and private for-profit
interests is never ideal, but the ACA at least addresses, in a meaningful way,
the problem of so many Americans not having access to health insurance and the
denial of insurance to people with pre-existing conditions. Ultimately, we need
to move to a single-payer system. Our for-profit system right now is a train
wreck."It will be interesting, in two years, to see how the
Democratic candidates for president campaign." I think you'll be
surprised by how many just say, "Yes, I supported the ACA. It's a good
start, but more must be done." What'll be a hoot to watch are the GOP
candidates arguing that we should encourage an increasingly dysfunctional
for-profit system that forces so many people into bankruptcy."Will Democrats vote against God again during their convention?" I think the better question is, "Will the people who get their news
from FOX ever look beyond the conservative echo chamber and see reality?"
Mike Lee is doing a fine job trying to protect and defend the Constitution. It
is a shame that other representatives want to try and "do something" to
solve this problem or that. Let people alone and they find a way to solve any
problem, unless as a society we have lost the will to work out our problems and
take care of ourselves.
David, I undertake an assessment of our nation all the time. Mostly while
looking at it through the windshield. I'm pleased about some things; jobs
are coming back slowly, and there are some truly bright spots in the nation.
I'm disappointed in "obamacare", it falls so short of the single
payer health system our nation needs. I worry about people, how reactionary
they've become, and divided. I wish we'd think more, and yell less.
The president isn't waging class warfare or propping up unions. I'm
not an abortion loving american, but I am a freedom loving one; I wish we'd
talk about sex and pregnancy prevention a lot more openly instead of considering
it a 'dirty' subject. I often wonder why adults don't run the
world anymore, just six year olds. Democrats didn't vote against god; they
just didn't think a potential fabrication needs to be enshrined in any
official way. Some things are good; some disappointing. For those things which
disappoint me, I'm not willing to vote republican.
Blue, please cite the clause in Article 1, Section 8 that allows Congress to tax
us for healthcare. That section is the section in the Constitution that
enumerates the duties of Congress. It enumerates the duties that we, the
people, have delegated to the Federal Government. That section has no provision
for "healthcare"; therefore, the 10th Amendment takes presidence and
"healthcare" must be left to the States or to the people. Just because Congress has often and openly violated the Constitution does not
mean that today's Congress must accept those violations. Honest men will
correct the mistakes made by their predecessors. Senator Lee is such a man. You
have the right to reject the actions of Senator Lee. You can also claim that
I'm biased. The solution for that is to carefully and thoughtfully read
the Constitution. The solution is to use the Constitution as a steel ruler by
which all legislation must be measured. Using a rubber ruler that can be bent
by popular opinion will always give you a distored result. Senator Lee uses a
steel ruler. Why would anyone lose respect for honesty in Congress?
This is a battle Mike Lee should be looking forward to, if he keeps his message
clear. His message should continue to be, "Fund the government, but
don't fund Obamacare."The unpopularity of Obamacare gives
Lee the upper hand. He can now force every Democrat to go on record either
defending it, or not, in full view of voters who have passed Obamacare to find
out what was in it, and don't like what they see.
I'd like all of those who voted for Obama to offer their honest assessment
of the direction of our nation. Are they honestly pleased at this point? Do
they honestly believe that Obamacare is a good thing? If so, then perhaps we
are in a hopeless position. If not, what are they willing to do about their
dissatisfaction and disappointment? It will be interesting, in two
years, to see how the Democratic candidates for president campaign. Will they
embrace Obama and campaign on more of the same? Or will they campaign as far
from Obama and his policies as possible? Will Democrats vote against God again
during their convention? Will they continue to wage class warfare, prop up
unions that are bankrupting American cities? Will they continue to support
abortion with no restrictions, even though we currently have a man on trial for
murder...of an unborn baby that he forced to miscarry. What a contradiction of
justice, of positions. Certainly Cuban's trial must cause pause and
discomfort for abortion-loving Americans.No political party
represents a monopoly on good ideas, but the democratic party seems to have more
than their share of bad ideas and characters.
Mike, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but your enthusiasm for
that opinion doesn't mean you're right.Not by any stretch
of the imagination is there a conflict between the Affordable Care Act and the
constitution. You're kidding yourself to maintain otherwise.Mike Lee is an embarrassment to our state and to the Senate. Does it ever
occur to you that the senators who disagree with Lee and his childish threats
might _also_ feel, just as passionately, that they are themselves respecting
their oaths to uphold the constitution and acting accordingly? The
notion that the people who disagree with you either don't understand or
don't respect the rules of our government is just plain wrong, and is a big
reason why so many Americans are losing respect for the GOP.
Let's cut through the political rhetoric and get right to the point. All
members of Congress, including Senator Lee, have taken an oath to defend the
Constitution. Senator Lee takes that oath seriously. He's doing what
every member of Congress should do. He's looking at ObamaCare from a
Constitutional viewpoint and he sees that he is obligated by his oath to defeat
that bill. He is not a "politicl animal". He doesn't care whether
performing his job properly is popular or not. If every member of
Congress respected their oath, there would be no controversy. But most members
of Congress think only of keeping their office. They don't care about the
oath that they took. They don't care that ObamaCare will destroy the
economy as it destroys healthcare. Ask your doctor what he will do IF ObamaCare
is fully implemented. Ask yourself where you will go for medical help when your
doctor closes his door.What Senator Lee is doing will save
healthcare. Why is that a bad thing?