Published: Wednesday, July 31 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
I guess Jeff hasn't noticed Utah is a bit different than the rest of the
world.And in many cases, that is a good thing...
I wish I had some context as to what Mr. Porter was referring. Who portrayed
something you so vehemently disagreed that you wrote a letter to the editor?On a very general level, I agree we do need to be more active. Writing
out representatives is always a good thing.
"Use your Facebook, Twitter or other social media sites to express your
views."Can't I just use my Facebook page to share pictures,
funny stories, and communicate with my friends and family? Must I use my
Facebook page to communicate my political views? My "friends" and
family who espouse constant political views on Facebook find themselves being
hidden. I don't open Facebook in the evenings to discuss politics. Oh, and your "majority" doesn't mean everyone else's
"majority." It is anecdotal at best.
Jeff,The unease you feel with "the media" merely reflects
your unwillingness to let reality into your life.Your discomfort
with the news says more about you than it does the news.
So, if I'm not in agreement with Mr. Porter in all my views, I'm just
"minority sleaze?"As CHS 85 said, this is anecdotal at best.
Simply because the people you work and associate with share many of your same
views, that does not mean everyone, or even a majority, do. Your
"opinion" is exactly that Mr. Porter. Your opinion. Your letter has no
basis in scientific polling or statistics.And, FYI, Richard Nixon
beat you to the term "silent majority" by decades. He too, was
convinced that the silent majority supported him. How did that work out for
Many people don't express themselves because they either don't have
the interest, or feel they're not educated enough on the issues to have a
compelling argument. Look at the regular respondents here on the
D-News, those who are well educated on the issues and cogent enough to formulate
compelling responses. Frequently we'll see somebody voice their opinion
here with a fairly simplistic argument that is easily dissected and critiqued.
The regulars are capable of wading through conflicting information,
accommodating the complexities of a "grey world", and still can offer a
strong opinion. I would venture to guess the number of left-leaning thinkers in
this group is relatively high, compared to most people in Utah. Same for most
college graduates.For many, jumping into a debate and getting
swatting down is not appealing. It's easier to select a source of media
inline with your basic thinking (Beck, Rush, Fox, MSNBC, etc) and stick to
repeating what you hear, rather than sift through the material, understand it,
reconcile with your worldview, and then offer an original opinion or
response.The result is a type of anti-intellectualism.
Jeff, you're not exactly the next Marshall McLuhan here. Indeed, I'm
not even sure why you're worried about the so called media; you yourself
suggest turning to social media to forward your viewpoint rather than rely on
the traditional media. It's the way things are these days, no one wants to
be challenged but rather expect to see only themselves in their media today. As
for writing your lawmaker with your latest gripe; I don't know too many
lawmakers but I'd bet they get so much of this stuff that they have to
ignore most of it in order to function.
The part of the media that I really believe is not doing their job of being the
eyes and ears of America is the national media that is supposedly there to be a
check on our government officials. Can you imagine if there were no FOX News,
and a few radio hosts. That is about the only outlet that is skepticle of
Democrats and especially the Obama administration. If not for the voices heard
on FOX, Obama would be reigning as the greatest President in American history.
In fact probably called one of the greatest people ever to live in human
history. As I write this I laugh that some of you who might read this also
believe that Obama is those things. Time for a reality check.
@10CC – “For many, jumping into a debate and getting swatting down
is not appealing.”Those are all excellent points, especially
this one. We should all recognize that making others too
uncomfortable can sometimes make them retreat back into their bubbles where too
often their own vague and emotionally based worldviews are reinforced in ways
that do not lead to growth in knowledge and understanding. That
said, newbies who are tactful I think have little to fear. It’s the ones
who, having been nursed on the milk of ignorance & arrogance by some media
pundits, make these grand, overly simplistic and easily refuted statements that
should expect to get swatted a bit. Most of those either go away or
continue to make a lot of bare assertions without engaging in the debate.
Assuming they care, I’ve always wondered how they reconcile the cognitive
dissonance.The moderators do a fair job though in keeping thing from
degenerating too far and so good discussions can be found… much more than
on many other “flame throwing” sites.
I agree. For far too long we have been silent on a bad joke. For decades we have
seen our wages fall flat and decrease while the richies at the top have made a
killing! For years and years we have heard about "trickle-down"
economics. Nothing more than a Ponzi scheme. A failed economic policy.It is time for the silent majority to arise and start a new progressive era.
We need to protect our jobs, our benefits, and our families. We do not live to
serve corporations but they live to serve us. Time to join the fight and turn
this completely upside down economic policy back onto the right track. The
future of our country depends on it! Lets get back to the economic policy and
tax rates of the 50s! They worked fine then, why not now?
I would not expect the media to represent the majority. I wouldn't expect
the media to represent me. I would not expect the media to represent ANYBODY.
That would make them PART OF the political machine (If they represent the
majority, or the current administration, or the party in control).IMO That's the problem with our media today. They are too much a part
of the political machine.IMO the media should be
"independent". They should be able to express any view they want
(majority or not).But it seems that many in the media today are more
and more uncomfortable with expressing any views the current administration
would frown at. Maybe it's from the early behavior of this administration
when they started banning news agancies that didn't report friendly views
of them from press conferences. We stopped that... but I think the chilling
effect is still out there.Bottom line... the media should be
completely independent. Not afraid of the current administration (that's
how you get shoddy news like Provda). Not just representing the majority.
They need to be INDEPENDENT of the political machine.We should have
seperation between media and State.
Jeff, your comments about getting involved are well taken. However,
the majority of the media are well past redemption. They routinely distort and
misrepresent the facts to hype a story. Both the liberal and conservative media
do this. Additionally, the media routinely under report or ignore
the news that is incompatible with the newsperson's worldview. The rise of
the Internet as an alternate source of information has highlighted this
phenomena. Finally, the media periodically lie about the facts to
sell a point of view. The Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident and
resulting trial was an especially egregious example of this. NBC's
intentional editing of the 911 call to portray George Zimmerman as a racist is a
prime example. The widespread use of the term "white Hispanic" to
describe George Zimmerman and the use of pictures of Trayvon Martin that
misrepresented his actual appearance at the time of the incident are further
examples. The media have become propagandists that would make Joseph Goebbels
I agree, the silent majority is tired of the nonsense obstructionism that has
infected our Congress, especially the House. Never should a government have a
goal to merely repeal laws/obstruct. We need statesmen who are actually
interested in governing. We need to stand up to folks like Mike Lee and show
them who really runs this country!
@Longfellow"However, the majority of the media are well past
redemption. They routinely distort and misrepresent the facts to hype a story.
Both the liberal and conservative media do this. Additionally, the
media routinely under report or ignore the news that is incompatible with the
newsperson's worldview. The rise of the Internet as an alternate source of
information has highlighted this phenomena. "=============That's the free market at work. Nothing more or less. A news
organization primary function is not to inform, but earn profit. They will
report what will turn into subscriptions, viewers, and clicks. Hence, the
circus of the George Zimmerman trial, why? People were watching, clicking and
buying. The lack of coverage of is because no one is watching, clicking or
buying.I understand Fox is the most watched, but there is a reason
they are the almost he sole provider of a "conservative
spin"...it's because the free market has shown the money to be
somewhere else. Anything more would simply over saturate the market need of
"conservative news" If the trend of popular stops heading
left, and goes to the right, so will the media. It's about $$.
Re: "It is time for the silent majority to arise and start a new progressive
era."Yeah, yeah -- we have nothing to lose but our chains! Except everything.The vast, vast majority clearly
understands the moral and economic bankruptcy of the "progressive"
[newspeak for "socialist/communist"] philosophy. And, we're also
quite aware of the fact that liberals' "new progressive era" would
look very much like the thoroughly discredited, old, drab, gray, REPRESSIVE,
Soviet era.And, we're not buying it.
This type of letter and comments along similar reasoning always make me wonder
what it is that makes it necessary for some people to believe that their views
are shared by the majority. Do people fear that if their views are not shared by
the majority, "the silent majority, the moral majority" that they are
@procuradoralfiscal"The vast, vast majority clearly understands
the moral and economic bankruptcy of the "progressive" [newspeak for
"socialist/communist"] philosophy."We'd all love to
see the hard data to back this "clear understanding" up. I'll
Re: "Never should a government have a goal to merely repeal
laws/obstruct."So, Congress in 1865 was wrong to repeal slavery
and obstruct its continuing as an American institution?And,
it's interesting that we hear nothing but liberal praise for Wendy Davis,
the Democrat Texas state senator who obstructed changes to Texas abortion
law.Hmmmmmm.I think what we're all hearing is that
standard liberal mantra -- "never should a government have a goal to merely
repeal laws/obstruct the agenda I want advanced."Or, that even
more famous liberal philosophy -- "all animals are equal, but some are more
equal than others."
Mr. Porter,Thank you for writing. While I don't agree with much of
what you wrote, I am grateful that there are people who are willing to share
their beliefs in the public sphere. We need more open and honest political
discussion. With that said, I'm sure that a good Christian man such as
yourself believes that respecting the beliefs of others is a reflection of
someone with "great values, morals and ethics". You may
feel frustrated that your voice is not being heard, and you have every right to
speak your mind, but I was sorely disappointed that you would resort to name
calling by referring to people like me as "minority sleaze". I suggest
that you remember that name-calling is childish, immature, and unnecessary in
political discussions. I realize it happens on both sides of politics, but that
does not make it appropriate.I am a good, honest, and upstanding
person, and I don't think referring to someone as "minority sleaze"
is appropriate in any way. Perhaps we don't agree on what constitutes
morality, but that does not mean that either one of us is a bad person.
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