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Published: Tuesday, July 30 2013 1:52 p.m. MDT

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Conner Johnson

Convicted on spying on the American Government for the American Public. Sad day.

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Bradley Manning will spend many, many years in prison after already being tortured by 11 months in solitary confinement 23 hours a day.

George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Yoo, and Karl Rove walk free.

Justice in America? I think not.

jwarkentin
Riverton, UT

How on earth are we supposed to hold the government accountable without the information we need? The government often seems to keep secrets, not because it's sensitive information that affects national security, but to cover up things to prevent accountability. This is a sad day indeed.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Protecting the government secrets is so very easy. Just put them with Obama's college transcripts, neither will ever see the light of day!

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

Since when does a private in the U.S. Army get to arbitrarily decide what classified military documents should best be openly broadcast worldwide? Altruism as an excuse is further evidence of a disturbing loss of perspective.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Bradley Manning will spend many, many years in prison . . . ."

And, rightfully so.

He violated the law, his oath as a soldier, the trust placed in him, and every concept of decency and morality to stroke his own fragile ego.

His actions are very, very similar, in both cause and intended effect, to those of Benedict Arnold.

His punishment must be severe in the extreme, to serve as a significant incentive to rectitude for WAY too many other smug, self-important, amoral traitors out there. They've been taught by cynical liberal parents, teachers, and political leaders, and have foolishly come to believe, that their smugly, self-assessed "superior" intelligence and their disaffection with American institutions, somehow entitle them to destroy the Nation.

A long, long sentence is necessary to send the opposite, more accurate message.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

For those lauding the exposure of excesses at war please be advised that first and foremost war is about killing in the most terrifying and chaotic of circumstances. Atrocities are what combat soldiers one side and the other do. Nothing is more damaging to the soul. If that bothers you, consider greater discretion in the glorification of war as a noble and heroic pursuit wrapped in patriotism.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "The Skeptical Chymist" what laws did Bush, Cheney, John Yoo, or Rove break? Your ilk has been calling for them to be arrested, but has yet to figure out what laws were broken. Just because you disagree with their decisions that does not mean that they broke any laws.

To "Ajax" the Army, Navy, Airforce, and Marines have been able to declare things secret and keep them out of the public view since this nation was born. How they classify a document is not arbitrary, but has a strict set of guidelines to determine its classification.

The question is did Manning realize the potential deaths due to leaking that information?

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

procuradorfiscal

Your talking just like a brownshirt. So do you think the killing of unarmed civilians and children over in Iraq in our name is justifiable? really?

If elements of the military were planning to nuke an American city I bet you wouldn't be against somebody whistleblowing then.

This mentality of people like you thinking that Iraqi civilians and children don't matter and that they are 2/3 of a human being just totally make me ill.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

procuradorfiscal

Have you listened to any of those old Hitler speeches lately? It certainly sounds like you have.

JimInSLC
Salt Lake City, UT

@RedShirt - Bush and Cheney are guilty of war crimes for approving of torture, ie waterboarding. There are some countries in which they are wanted for war crimes and if they happen to go there, will be arrested. When Obama is no longer president, he can expect the same, as the groups that called for Bush plan to call for Obama for his use of drones.

Manning, according to the Geneva Convention had an obligation to report war crimes, which he saw in the helicopter attack of civilians, and the subsequent rescuers in Iraq.

His oath of enlistment was to defend the constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic. What happens when the domestic enemies are the very ones that hold the power, and you are a lowly Private?

Pvt. Mannings biggest mistake was to think that the American people would be outraged by what they saw and demand changes.

It is ironic that we have a war on terror, and America is the biggest terrorist, the largest supplier of weapons and mercenaries.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

JiminSLC

So you admit there are no US laws those you despise have violated, and you ahve to resort to some unnamed foreign countries to back up the claims.

Well guess what, there are a lot of things we can do here that are illegal in places the dems try to emulate, like complain about the incompetence in the current leaders.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Thanks for reminding me why I despise the GOP as much as I despise the liberals.

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@lost in DC and @procuradorfiscal

The supremacy clause of the constitution states: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

This makes the Geneva Convention part of the supreme law of the land. It is US law. The US is required to prohibit:

"violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture" and "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment" (quoted from the Geneva Convention)

Maybe including Rove was a mistake, but I still claim that Bush, Cheney, and Yoo should be prosecuted for crimes under the Geneva Convention, specifically for ordering detainees to be subjected to cruel treatment and torture (under part (a)).

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "The Skeptical Chymist" you realize that the Geneva Convention applies to soldiers of an enemy army. It does not apply to mercanaries or terrorists. Yes torture is unpleasant, but in this case is still legal because these were mercanaries or terrorists, and do not qualify for the legal protections of the Geneva Convention.

Try again.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Chymest,
OK, so what international court has charged them for violations of the Geneva Convention?

What about BO and his drone strikes? Should you not then be DEMANDING he be tried for war crimes? he ordered hits on US citizens without due process, don't even need to go to an international court or the GC for that. Where is your outrage and umbridge? or do you only complain about repubs?

JimInSLC
Salt Lake City, UT

@ lost in DC,
If torture is illegal, and waterboarding is torture, the authorization of waterboarding is illegal. Because the US is not prosecuting does not make it legal.

I did not point out the fact that other countries are willing to prosecute merely as an argument that it is illegal there and not in the US, but that there are some countries apparently not afraid to uphold the law regardless of the level of the accused.

Bush had to cancel a trip to Switzerland in 2011 for this reason.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "JimInSLC" you are only partially right. Bush did cancel his trip to Switzerland in 2011, but it wasn't because of the government there vowing to prosecute him for anyting. He cancelled because he didn't want the people of Switzerland to have to deal with riots and protests by leftist groups.

See "Bush Cancels Visit To Switzerland Due To Threat Of Torture Prosecution, Rights Groups Say" from Reuters.

JonathanPDX
Portland, Oregon

Some say Bradley Manning deserves to be punished for revealing wrongdoing on the part of the government. Perhaps, but who will punish those in the government who perpetrated those wrongs? My guess is: no one. All the focus has been placed on PFC Manning in an effort to divert attention away from the real culprit, the government.

We are a nation of laws. That is what makes our nation stand apart from so many others. Yet if our government cannot be held accountable to those same laws, it does not deserve to stand. And if those responsible for the acts PFC Manning revealed cannot be brought to justice because they are hiding behind a wall of secrecy, then Bradley Manning's punishment should be limited to time already served - not because he is innocent, but because our government has failed both him and us and does not deserve the right to impose punishment.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson

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