@Chris BFrom another Ute fan, cool it dude. Seriously. Unless
you're just a Y troll. Then just go away.The results on the
field will speak for themselves.Looking forward to the season, come
what may in the NCAA restructuring.
wwookie"On the other hand, schools like Miami and USC deserve
stiffer penalties, akin to that of SMUs for the cheating they have done (I.e.
paying recruits and players when not allowed by NCAA)"How
naive!With the possible exception of Vanderbilt, EVERY school in the
SEC pays its players, even Ole Miss; the only difference is, unlike Miami and
USC, SEC schools know how to do it without getting caught - have you forgotten
completely about Cam Newton, already? Newton wasn't an exception, he's
just an example of the tip of the iceberg of what is considered standard
practice in the South.
Smaller schools want socialism in college football. There are the
"haves" and the "have nots". The "haves" made sacrifices
in their history to pay for better coaches, better recruiting tools, better
training facilities, etc. to rob them of the return on their investment is
pathetic. We are not communists. On the other hand, schools like
Miami and USC deserve stiffer penalties, akin to that of SMUs for the cheating
they have done (I.e. paying recruits and players when not allowed by NCAA)
VegasUteThe point about single-sport conferences is, even major
conference teams like USC, UCLA, Stanford, Ohio State, and Penn State are
willing to join single-sport conferences to play a competitive schedule against
teams that may not be great at all sports, but might be very good at a single
sport.Teams like Cal-Irvine and Long Beach State may not be much at
football, but they have killer volleyball programs.The same goes for
some football programs in the major conferences. Indiana, Duke and Kentucky have
elite basketball programs, but they're perennial bottom feeders in
football. On the other hand, schools like BYU and Boise State are
head-and-shoulders better than most of the bottom dwellers in the major
timid sparrowYou know what they say about telling a partial truth,
it's like telling a complete...BYU's reluctance to join
the Big 12 hinged on the threat of Texas and Oklahoma possibly leaving the
conference and turning the conference into a Midwest version of the Big East.
Although maintaining the right to rebroadcast games on BYUtv was an issue, it
was never a deal killer.As far as the Big East is concerned, it no
longer exists as a football conference, and TCU and BSU were smart enough to
pull out of the on-going train wreck. BYU turned down the Big East, not the
other way around.
@motorbike:I agree with most of what you say except for your choice
of expansion teams. I could probably agree partly, buy UNLV would NEVER be a
go. The football program is in such a shambles and has zero local support. Las
Vegas does have several very good basketball arenas and the PAC does not need to
have UNLV in it's fold to hold a basketball tournament in Vegas - we did
this year. The football facilities are an embarrassment, the stadium is far
from campus and the community does not/will not support football. A new stadium
would have to be built on campus and have a retractable roof before most people
here would consider it.Las Vegas is simply a basketball town
only.Don't let the lure of neon lights and awesome buffets
affect your judgment! LOLGo Utes!!
talkinsports:"That's already being done for other sports,
such as men's volleyball,"That's a really bad
comparison since there are only 23, 24 total "Division 1" schools with
men's volleyball teams, and only a total of 6 from "BCS"
conferences. Other Division 1 volleyball schools include IPFW, CS Northridge,
Sacred Heart, NJIT, etc. I'm not trying to belittle men's volleyball,
but men's velleyball has no choice but to divorce itself from other sports.
There is no other option for survival.
@motorbike"BYU needs to get in a power conference quick, just in
case."Sadly BYU's ship has already sailed. They've
burnt too many bridges with the "power conferences". BYU was on the
cusp of getting a Big-12 invite and then they started on their well-publicized,
self-important power trip and got kicked to the curb. The Big-12 commissioner
publicly stated that BYU's reps were "weird" and "getting
pushy" (presumably about the ESPN contract) and so the Big-12 broke it
off.The Big East won't take BYU (they already said no twice),
the Big-12 won't take BYU (see above), The PAC-12 won't take BYU (that
whole academic freedom thing), the Big-10 won't take BYU (no regional draw
or rivalries). If I'm BYU and I want to survive athletically, I go back to
the Mountain West in a spirit of humility (if that's possible for you guys)
and hope that they become one of the BCS conferences before all this goes down.
christyHow do figure Utah is a top 50 team?.34. BYU35. Ole Miss36. Cincinnati37. Mississippi State38. Penn
State39. Vanderbilt 40. Georgia Tech41. Auburn42.
Virginia43. Washington44. UCF45. Pittsburgh46.
Arkansas47. Utah State48. Fresno State49. Toledo50. West
Virginia51. Arizona State52. San Diego State53. Houston54. Arizona55. Rice56. Louisiana-Lafayette57. Utah
christyHow do propose to be included in an exclusive top 50, when
the Utes aren't even a top 60 program, and after this season, won't
even be a top 70 program?Be careful what you wish for, because if
the Utes are forced to play a complete schedule of top 50 teams, winless, 1-,
2-, and 3-win seasons will become the norm on the hill. No bowls. No playoffs.
And no reason for Chris Hill to add seats that will remain empty to RES.btw, you're using math taught on the hill:SEC(14) +
B1G(14) + PAC(12) + Big 12(10) + ACC(14) + Notre Dame = 65 teamsIf
they have to jettison 15 teams to get to 50, the Utes will be one of the first
I'm a Ute fan but I see things a bit differently than another supposed Ute
fan (who gives the rest of us a bad name.)Change is definitely coming,
like it or not. The big question is whether BYU will find a way to be included
with the big boys. The bottom line here is money, it always is. BYU has
plenty of money to follow suit with whatever the power conferences do. But will
the independent thing still keep them on the outside looking in? BYU needs to
get in a power conference quick, just in case. If the power conferences
are still gravitating to 16 teams, I'd like to see an about face on all the
reasons BYU isn't a good fit for the Pac 12. Make additions of BYU, SDSU,
UNLV and either Fresno St, CSU, Boise St or AFA. That's still a great
league for both football and basketball while adding more California games
(recruiting!) as well as a perfect host school for championship events
(Vegas).Regardless, BYU needs to quickly get in the middle of some serious
byu and usu will soon be on par with weber state!There will be no
more "BCS Busting" or anything like that.50 BCS teams will
make up the entirety of noteworthy football. Only those 50 teams will be
eligible for the national championship. All others will essentially
become division II programs!
The 5 power conferences will form our own division. We'll only play each
other(no gimme games against byu for example). And obviously only teams from
this division will be eligible for, well, anything!This will be the
final nail in the coffin for those teams who wish they were in a big conference
but aren't.There will be no further leaving/joining this
division after it's complete.and I'm IN!
I look forward to the day when all this settles. There will be a few
certainties, regardless of the specifics:1. Utah will be IN2.
byu and usu will be OUTThere will be approximately 50 big programs
and then a bunch of nobodies.Long live the 5 power conferences!Utes are INI LOVE my Pac 12 membership.cougars
and aggies, are you excited to be even further separated from the big boys? It
will be even more permanent soon.bye bye cougars and aggies.
Change without confrontation will depend on how reasonable the proposed changes
are. If they want to establish criteria for participation in a new divisional
alignment and allow programs to self-select whether they want to participate, or
not, that's one thing. If they simply want to use this as another smoke
screen to formalize exclusivity, that's quite another thing.Since this is all football-driven, it might be simpler to simply divorce
football from all other sports and create football-only conferences. That's
already being done for other sports, such as men's volleyball, ice hockey,
and indoor track & field.