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Published: Thursday, July 25 2013 2:40 p.m. MDT

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talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

Change without confrontation will depend on how reasonable the proposed changes are. If they want to establish criteria for participation in a new divisional alignment and allow programs to self-select whether they want to participate, or not, that's one thing. If they simply want to use this as another smoke screen to formalize exclusivity, that's quite another thing.

Since this is all football-driven, it might be simpler to simply divorce football from all other sports and create football-only conferences. That's already being done for other sports, such as men's volleyball, ice hockey, and indoor track & field.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I look forward to the day when all this settles. There will be a few certainties, regardless of the specifics:

1. Utah will be IN
2. byu and usu will be OUT

There will be approximately 50 big programs and then a bunch of nobodies.

Long live the 5 power conferences!

Utes are IN

I LOVE my Pac 12 membership.

cougars and aggies, are you excited to be even further separated from the big boys? It will be even more permanent soon.

bye bye cougars and aggies.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

The 5 power conferences will form our own division. We'll only play each other(no gimme games against byu for example). And obviously only teams from this division will be eligible for, well, anything!

This will be the final nail in the coffin for those teams who wish they were in a big conference but aren't.

There will be no further leaving/joining this division after it's complete.

and I'm IN!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

byu and usu will soon be on par with weber state!

There will be no more "BCS Busting" or anything like that.

50 BCS teams will make up the entirety of noteworthy football. Only those 50 teams will be eligible for the national championship.

All others will essentially become division II programs!

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I'm a Ute fan but I see things a bit differently than another supposed Ute fan (who gives the rest of us a bad name.)
Change is definitely coming, like it or not. The big question is whether BYU will find a way to be included with the big boys.
The bottom line here is money, it always is. BYU has plenty of money to follow suit with whatever the power conferences do. But will the independent thing still keep them on the outside looking in? BYU needs to get in a power conference quick, just in case.
If the power conferences are still gravitating to 16 teams, I'd like to see an about face on all the reasons BYU isn't a good fit for the Pac 12. Make additions of BYU, SDSU, UNLV and either Fresno St, CSU, Boise St or AFA. That's still a great league for both football and basketball while adding more California games (recruiting!) as well as a perfect host school for championship events (Vegas).
Regardless, BYU needs to quickly get in the middle of some serious conversations.

CordonBleu
Park City, UT

christy

How do propose to be included in an exclusive top 50, when the Utes aren't even a top 60 program, and after this season, won't even be a top 70 program?

Be careful what you wish for, because if the Utes are forced to play a complete schedule of top 50 teams, winless, 1-, 2-, and 3-win seasons will become the norm on the hill. No bowls. No playoffs. And no reason for Chris Hill to add seats that will remain empty to RES.

btw, you're using math taught on the hill:

SEC(14) + B1G(14) + PAC(12) + Big 12(10) + ACC(14) + Notre Dame = 65 teams

If they have to jettison 15 teams to get to 50, the Utes will be one of the first to go.

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

christy

How do figure Utah is a top 50 team?.

34. BYU
35. Ole Miss
36. Cincinnati
37. Mississippi State
38. Penn State
39. Vanderbilt
40. Georgia Tech
41. Auburn
42. Virginia
43. Washington
44. UCF
45. Pittsburgh
46. Arkansas
47. Utah State
48. Fresno State
49. Toledo
50. West Virginia
51. Arizona State
52. San Diego State
53. Houston
54. Arizona
55. Rice
56. Louisiana-Lafayette
57. Utah

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@motorbike

"BYU needs to get in a power conference quick, just in case."

Sadly BYU's ship has already sailed. They've burnt too many bridges with the "power conferences". BYU was on the cusp of getting a Big-12 invite and then they started on their well-publicized, self-important power trip and got kicked to the curb. The Big-12 commissioner publicly stated that BYU's reps were "weird" and "getting pushy" (presumably about the ESPN contract) and so the Big-12 broke it off.

The Big East won't take BYU (they already said no twice), the Big-12 won't take BYU (see above), The PAC-12 won't take BYU (that whole academic freedom thing), the Big-10 won't take BYU (no regional draw or rivalries). If I'm BYU and I want to survive athletically, I go back to the Mountain West in a spirit of humility (if that's possible for you guys) and hope that they become one of the BCS conferences before all this goes down.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

talkinsports:

"That's already being done for other sports, such as men's volleyball,"

That's a really bad comparison since there are only 23, 24 total "Division 1" schools with men's volleyball teams, and only a total of 6 from "BCS" conferences. Other Division 1 volleyball schools include IPFW, CS Northridge, Sacred Heart, NJIT, etc. I'm not trying to belittle men's volleyball, but men's velleyball has no choice but to divorce itself from other sports. There is no other option for survival.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

@motorbike:

I agree with most of what you say except for your choice of expansion teams. I could probably agree partly, buy UNLV would NEVER be a go. The football program is in such a shambles and has zero local support. Las Vegas does have several very good basketball arenas and the PAC does not need to have UNLV in it's fold to hold a basketball tournament in Vegas - we did this year. The football facilities are an embarrassment, the stadium is far from campus and the community does not/will not support football. A new stadium would have to be built on campus and have a retractable roof before most people here would consider it.

Las Vegas is simply a basketball town only.

Don't let the lure of neon lights and awesome buffets affect your judgment! LOL

Go Utes!!

SportsFan
Orem, UT

timid sparrow

You know what they say about telling a partial truth, it's like telling a complete...

BYU's reluctance to join the Big 12 hinged on the threat of Texas and Oklahoma possibly leaving the conference and turning the conference into a Midwest version of the Big East. Although maintaining the right to rebroadcast games on BYUtv was an issue, it was never a deal killer.

As far as the Big East is concerned, it no longer exists as a football conference, and TCU and BSU were smart enough to pull out of the on-going train wreck. BYU turned down the Big East, not the other way around.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

VegasUte

The point about single-sport conferences is, even major conference teams like USC, UCLA, Stanford, Ohio State, and Penn State are willing to join single-sport conferences to play a competitive schedule against teams that may not be great at all sports, but might be very good at a single sport.

Teams like Cal-Irvine and Long Beach State may not be much at football, but they have killer volleyball programs.

The same goes for some football programs in the major conferences. Indiana, Duke and Kentucky have elite basketball programs, but they're perennial bottom feeders in football. On the other hand, schools like BYU and Boise State are head-and-shoulders better than most of the bottom dwellers in the major conferences.

wwookie
Payson, UT

Smaller schools want socialism in college football. There are the "haves" and the "have nots". The "haves" made sacrifices in their history to pay for better coaches, better recruiting tools, better training facilities, etc. to rob them of the return on their investment is pathetic. We are not communists.

On the other hand, schools like Miami and USC deserve stiffer penalties, akin to that of SMUs for the cheating they have done (I.e. paying recruits and players when not allowed by NCAA)

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

wwookie

"On the other hand, schools like Miami and USC deserve stiffer penalties, akin to that of SMUs for the cheating they have done (I.e. paying recruits and players when not allowed by NCAA)"

How naive!

With the possible exception of Vanderbilt, EVERY school in the SEC pays its players, even Ole Miss; the only difference is, unlike Miami and USC, SEC schools know how to do it without getting caught - have you forgotten completely about Cam Newton, already? Newton wasn't an exception, he's just an example of the tip of the iceberg of what is considered standard practice in the South.

clehman
Sandy, UT

@Chris B

From another Ute fan, cool it dude. Seriously. Unless you're just a Y troll. Then just go away.

The results on the field will speak for themselves.

Looking forward to the season, come what may in the NCAA restructuring.

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