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Published: Monday, July 29 2013 7:07 a.m. MDT

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sigmund5
Salt Lake City, UT

Let the blame the victim start. Other pending thoughts to avoid thinking or doing anything about the problem: It is Obama's fault, people are lazy, I got out of poverty so can everyone else, if they didn't have so many babies, welfare reform, welfare fraud, taking god out of schools, turn to churches.

Red
Salt Lake City, UT

Work? They don't want to work!

That is why they voted for Obama!

We have unraveled the fabric of America by trying to guarantee everyone everything. It just doesn't work that way.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Private enterprise will fix things. The corporations cannot be making huge profits, or can they?

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

When a majority of the wealth goes to the top 1 to 5 percent what do you expect. This whole rant about "they don't want to work" is ridiculous, and uninformed. If it were true you have no one to work labor jobs, or service industry jobs. The whole economy would collapse. Our current economy relies on the majority of people willing to work their butts off for nothing and then except some kind of help. Look around Red. It's the middle age women stocking the shelves in Wal-Mart that is getting your tax dollars for food stamps.

Madden
Herriman, UT

What this article essentially says is that way too many of us live paycheck to paycheck. I know in my early married life, while I had a good education and job, if that job had been cut, our family would have been in big trouble. We are fortunate to be past that stage now, having put some funds away, but this report shows pretty clearly that most people have not gotten past that phase yet.

The economy certainly makes it much harder to get past that phase, but it can be done, even in these uncertain times. While there are people out there who expect the world to be handed to them on a platter, I think that vast majority want to work and live a good life, but there are more debts piled up and unstable circumstances all around, which makes it that much more difficult. We are used to growing prosperity being the norm in the US, and it is time for people to realize that it isn't the norm any longer...we therefore need to think, plan and live differently, and drop our all-out worship of consumerism.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

If you race Obama with Uerkle, you would see the economy improve....Obama is a disaster and has killed jobs and the American dream and turned it into share the wealth which now means share the poor,

WRK
Riverton, UT

To those who say the rant about "they don't want to work" is ridiculous, I had a brother who told me and showed me how I was stupid for working because you could get everything you needed from the "system". He said he made more from government handouts than I did working.

I have talked with others on the government paycheck that say the same thing, so, yes there are more than you think that "don't want to work" and are living off the hard work of others...

WRK
Riverton, UT

Another thing I have noted (and photo shows) is that when you talk about people in poverty from other nations and people in poverty from the US, there is a very large weight difference. Those from other nations look like there are in poverty and have gone without food. The US poor look like they have spent their poverty time and one to many fast food joints.

Just an observation.

frugalfly
PULLMAN, WA

The more correct diagnosis of our problem in this country are 1. poor education/preparation/skills of too many of our population to help contribute to society. Look at the picture you see accompanying this article. Would you want this person assisting your dentists or managing your taxes or caring for your child in day care? I am being judgmental and going off what I see but I can't tell you what I would hire or want this person to do for me including prepare food, clean a house let alone make the lug nuts which hold my tires on my Honda. 2. decline in culture of work ethic and willingness to start low. We expect immediate benefits, high dollar income and we aren't willing to be the kind of workers where our performance demands increased income/benefits. We expect them first! 3. We hurt ourselves financially with the personal decisions we make about our families/marriages/health. We are obese, we get sick easy, we have unstable mental health, we create families with "dysfunctional" people, we spend more than we make, our consumer debt is like no other time.

Red
Salt Lake City, UT

Ok.

I take it back! Everyone wants to work....for the government or some other freebie "career" where benefits are guaranteed and performance doesn't matter! No one can ever be fired etc. etc. etc. All paid for by taxes.

You got me!

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

This article fails to segment the population it talks about. Large numbers of lower-income college-aged people are in this group, as are large numbers of retirees who don't have but really don't need the income they had in their more productive years. The real risk is to the middle class of productive years who are finding it harder to make ends meet.We are paying the price for 30 years of Reaganism, i.e., "I've got mine, and you're on your own."

worf
Mcallen, TX

Remember the NAFTA free trade agreements. Shipping jobs to countries using slave labor, while our political leaders tighten the screws with stricter regulations for American businesses.

Animals in a zoo wouldn't survive if returned to the wild. They've been fed so long by people, that they lack survival skills.

Like the zoo animals, people have been driven to dependence, and have lost the grit for survival. We beg for benefits which a government in debt will soon, not be able to pay.

We've been scammed, and will soon be in total subjection of political leadership.--Hope I'm wrong.

worf
Mcallen, TX

America's children are tested, and scored regularly. Teachers are held accountable for their learning. Many don't have contracts renewed.

If, "4 in 5 in US face near-poverty, no work",- shouldn't our leaders face the same accountability?

srw
Riverton, UT

"Four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives, a sign of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream."

Wait a minute--why is that a sign of deteriorating anything? We can't tell which way things are changing from one data point.

I would expect most people to be near poverty "for at least part of their lives".

jr85
United Kingdom , 00

The day that the United States wakes up from this delusion of American exceptionalism the better. The American economy is built on greed and margin squeezing where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Other countries are doing things better now and the sooner the US can realise their own model is unsustainable the better. This is the result of inequality which apparently Jesus and LDS historical figures like King Benjiman denounced.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

I really have a hard time believing some of the comments posted here. Okay, I'll take that back. I'm used to seeing the callousness that results from conservative economic theory and the disconnect they experience with reality.

Specifically addressing frugalfly's reasons for our problems, the actual reasons for the rapidly expanding gap between the rich and the rest, which results in too many people slipping through the economic cracks, are: (1) the unbridled greed of those who control capital; (2) shipping jobs off to Third World countries where they can pay low wages without benefits; (3) replacing human labor with technology, which shifts a share of revenue from labor to executive salaries; (4) squeezing wages in a very tight labor market; and (5) a short-sightedness among "job creators" regarding the role labor plays in creating demand for their own products.

All this conservative nonsense about people wanting a handout places 100 percent of their attention on 10 percent of the problem. Come on, conservatives, for once deal with the real problems instead of trying to invent some way to justify your contempt for the needy.

Bob K
porland, OR

Folks -- this huge recession started when GWB was still in office. Blaming President Obama makes one look ignorant and/or racist. You might note the life story of his wife, raised in working class circumstances that created her and her football coach brother. Laziness is the LAST thing that her family or his family would condone.
The situation with jobs dates back 40 years, when corporations started to drive down wages in order to compete with foreign products, then eventually exported the jobs.
People who favored Romney for President ignore the job destruction and blame Obama

dumprake
Washington, UT

Get used to it America, it's Obama's gift to the world, to bring the US down to the level of a third world country. And the Democrats and the media are 100% complicit in this devious scheme. IT doesn't have to be this way, our problems are easily fixed, but converting to Marxism, the Obama way, is guaranteed to make things worse. And we reelected this guy to impose his will and drag us down to this?

frugalfly
PULLMAN, WA

To Kent,
Tough to find people like we could in this country 50 years ago. Our shift in culture is 90% of the problem and what you state is more like 10% of the problem. Your arguments are the constants of the economy. There will always be and has always been the elements that you speak of in our economy and in ALL economies. Your arguments would have worked in the 1870's and 1880's and again in the 1920's. Those things you speak of are the norm. They have existed in some form for hundred if not thousands of years in economics. My points are the answer to how the individual can adjust and be prepared for your points. The individual can't control your points but they can control in some measure my points. That is the difference I suppose in our views of this. I talk of things that individuals can do, you talk of what the system of economic has been about for 1000 years....

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

frug:

Mostly, though, just since 1980, when Reaganomics turned us onto our present course.

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