Yep...This economy is gaining steam. What a joke.
the title of this article doesn't sound like hope and change have kicked in
yet...5 years later. Oh I know .... it must be the Republicans fault. All I know
is good leadership produces good results and bad leadership leads to growing
poverty. Dare we say that Barack Obama gets an F on his report card as
president? I think any honest liberal would have to say ...perhaps under his
breath ... that this guy really stinks and we were all duped....
Poverty is a complex issue. You can't make blanket generalizations like
all the poor are lazy and just want to live off the government like many
conservatives do. The economy, disabilities, mental health issues, and yes lack
of opportunity all are factors. And yes poverty is generational. Blaming the
poor for being poor is a lame excuse for ignoring the plight of others who are
struggling in a competitive capitalistic society. Read what King Benjamin said
about this attitude in the Book of Mosiah. After all are not all of us all
beggars. And no I am not a socialist or Obama supporter. And I don't
believe that everyone voted for Obama because he promised free stuff.
Don't be ridiculous.
Kent C. DeForrest--* If you're right, why hasn't eight
years of Clinton, and five of Obama, not changed Reaganomics?* Give some
examples of how Reaganomics put us on our present course.
I love it, some people blaming Reagan, of all people. I was prepared for at
least Bush being blamed, and no farther back than 8 YEARS of Clinton. No, he
had nothing to do with the economy, but it's Reagans fault. Yeah, I can
see that. And after 5 years of Obama, that has absolutely nothing to do with
the current economy. I guess we conservatives cannot begin to blame Obama until
he has been out of office 30 years. Can't wait!
Kent, you need to study economy. The constant forces for centuries are those
you speak of. When tractors, when looms when printing presses when inventions
and when other technologies emerged it transformed the labor population. When
the industrial revolution came, your arguments applied then. Don't
politicize the issue. Your pinning of it on Reaganomics is only a myopic view
and thus hurtful to those who need to change and who need to adjust. Railroad
barons, land barons, plantation farmers, Lords, sports stars, Donald Trumps,
Warren Buffets, Bill Gates have always existed. They always will. Wealth
always flows to those who are willing and able to capitalize and those who have
strokes of good fortune or extraordinary talent. But there are always cycles of
turnover of wealth lost and industry turnover. What you don't find is
Legacy fortune for more than about 2-4 generations. The Sears and Robucks, the
Union Pacific all reach their term and the economy, technology move forward.
New Bill Gates come along, new Warren Buffets come along. Extraordinary talent,
vision, hard work and good fortune. A sun causes sunburn. Can't change
the sun Kent. Time better spent adapting. Emphasis on my points produce more
BULL BULL BULL. I know people with a half million dollars in the
bank that are being included in this article because they were unemployed for
half the year. Retired people are included. And really, the
picture.... is that the new face of poverty in America? Compare that to the
face of true poverty in any other country.
Everyone, especially KentHow’s BO’s trickle-up poverty working
for you?Bob from Portland,Racist? (NO DN, you CANNOT block
this, Bob used the word!)Prior recoveries have had much better job
growth, especially recessions as deep as this one. What has been the difference
between then and now? BO is at the helm and his policies are slowing the
recovery. Trying to shift blame from BO is like saying the sun does not produce
heat.He’s five years in, at some point BO HAS to start
accepting responsibility, as do his sheep.
@Bob K--Where is Obama this very second? More tax payer money has been spent
for his vacations than all other presidents combined. Isn't that a rich
greedy person?If a person is smart, works hard, and earns money. Is
this person greedy, or are the others envious?IMO, people are not
the same. Due to motivation, ability, grit, etc,-people will and have always
been at different levels of success.In a classroom, are honor roll
students at fault for the students with lower grades?
frug:Mostly, though, just since 1980, when Reaganomics turned us
onto our present course.
To Kent, Tough to find people like we could in this country 50 years ago.
Our shift in culture is 90% of the problem and what you state is more like 10%
of the problem. Your arguments are the constants of the economy. There will
always be and has always been the elements that you speak of in our economy and
in ALL economies. Your arguments would have worked in the 1870's and
1880's and again in the 1920's. Those things you speak of are the
norm. They have existed in some form for hundred if not thousands of years in
economics. My points are the answer to how the individual can adjust and be
prepared for your points. The individual can't control your points but
they can control in some measure my points. That is the difference I suppose in
our views of this. I talk of things that individuals can do, you talk of what
the system of economic has been about for 1000 years....
Get used to it America, it's Obama's gift to the world, to bring the
US down to the level of a third world country. And the Democrats and the media
are 100% complicit in this devious scheme. IT doesn't have to be this way,
our problems are easily fixed, but converting to Marxism, the Obama way, is
guaranteed to make things worse. And we reelected this guy to impose his will
and drag us down to this?
Folks -- this huge recession started when GWB was still in office. Blaming
President Obama makes one look ignorant and/or racist. You might note the life
story of his wife, raised in working class circumstances that created her and
her football coach brother. Laziness is the LAST thing that her family or his
family would condone.The situation with jobs dates back 40 years, when
corporations started to drive down wages in order to compete with foreign
products, then eventually exported the jobs.People who favored Romney for
President ignore the job destruction and blame Obama
I really have a hard time believing some of the comments posted here. Okay,
I'll take that back. I'm used to seeing the callousness that results
from conservative economic theory and the disconnect they experience with
reality.Specifically addressing frugalfly's reasons for our
problems, the actual reasons for the rapidly expanding gap between the rich and
the rest, which results in too many people slipping through the economic cracks,
are: (1) the unbridled greed of those who control capital; (2) shipping jobs off
to Third World countries where they can pay low wages without benefits; (3)
replacing human labor with technology, which shifts a share of revenue from
labor to executive salaries; (4) squeezing wages in a very tight labor market;
and (5) a short-sightedness among "job creators" regarding the role
labor plays in creating demand for their own products.All this
conservative nonsense about people wanting a handout places 100 percent of their
attention on 10 percent of the problem. Come on, conservatives, for once deal
with the real problems instead of trying to invent some way to justify your
contempt for the needy.
The day that the United States wakes up from this delusion of American
exceptionalism the better. The American economy is built on greed and margin
squeezing where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Other countries are
doing things better now and the sooner the US can realise their own model is
unsustainable the better. This is the result of inequality which apparently
Jesus and LDS historical figures like King Benjiman denounced.
"Four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near poverty or
reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives, a sign of deteriorating
economic security and an elusive American dream."Wait a
minute--why is that a sign of deteriorating anything? We can't tell which
way things are changing from one data point.I would expect most
people to be near poverty "for at least part of their lives".
America's children are tested, and scored regularly. Teachers are held
accountable for their learning. Many don't have contracts renewed.If, "4 in 5 in US face near-poverty, no work",- shouldn't our
leaders face the same accountability?
Remember the NAFTA free trade agreements. Shipping jobs to countries using
slave labor, while our political leaders tighten the screws with stricter
regulations for American businesses.Animals in a zoo wouldn't
survive if returned to the wild. They've been fed so long by people, that
they lack survival skills.Like the zoo animals, people have been
driven to dependence, and have lost the grit for survival. We beg for benefits
which a government in debt will soon, not be able to pay.We've
been scammed, and will soon be in total subjection of political
leadership.--Hope I'm wrong.
This article fails to segment the population it talks about. Large numbers of
lower-income college-aged people are in this group, as are large numbers of
retirees who don't have but really don't need the income they had in
their more productive years. The real risk is to the middle class of productive
years who are finding it harder to make ends meet.We are paying the price for 30
years of Reaganism, i.e., "I've got mine, and you're on your
Ok.I take it back! Everyone wants to work....for the government or
some other freebie "career" where benefits are guaranteed and
performance doesn't matter! No one can ever be fired etc. etc. etc. All
paid for by taxes.You got me!
The more correct diagnosis of our problem in this country are 1. poor
education/preparation/skills of too many of our population to help contribute to
society. Look at the picture you see accompanying this article. Would you want
this person assisting your dentists or managing your taxes or caring for your
child in day care? I am being judgmental and going off what I see but I
can't tell you what I would hire or want this person to do for me including
prepare food, clean a house let alone make the lug nuts which hold my tires on
my Honda. 2. decline in culture of work ethic and willingness to start low. We
expect immediate benefits, high dollar income and we aren't willing to be
the kind of workers where our performance demands increased income/benefits. We
expect them first! 3. We hurt ourselves financially with the personal
decisions we make about our families/marriages/health. We are obese, we get
sick easy, we have unstable mental health, we create families with
"dysfunctional" people, we spend more than we make, our consumer debt is
like no other time.
Another thing I have noted (and photo shows) is that when you talk about people
in poverty from other nations and people in poverty from the US, there is a very
large weight difference. Those from other nations look like there are in
poverty and have gone without food. The US poor look like they have spent their
poverty time and one to many fast food joints.Just an observation.
To those who say the rant about "they don't want to work" is
ridiculous, I had a brother who told me and showed me how I was stupid for
working because you could get everything you needed from the "system".
He said he made more from government handouts than I did working.I
have talked with others on the government paycheck that say the same thing, so,
yes there are more than you think that "don't want to work" and are
living off the hard work of others...
If you race Obama with Uerkle, you would see the economy improve....Obama is a
disaster and has killed jobs and the American dream and turned it into share the
wealth which now means share the poor,
What this article essentially says is that way too many of us live paycheck to
paycheck. I know in my early married life, while I had a good education and job,
if that job had been cut, our family would have been in big trouble. We are
fortunate to be past that stage now, having put some funds away, but this report
shows pretty clearly that most people have not gotten past that phase yet.The economy certainly makes it much harder to get past that phase, but
it can be done, even in these uncertain times. While there are people out there
who expect the world to be handed to them on a platter, I think that vast
majority want to work and live a good life, but there are more debts piled up
and unstable circumstances all around, which makes it that much more difficult.
We are used to growing prosperity being the norm in the US, and it is time for
people to realize that it isn't the norm any longer...we therefore need to
think, plan and live differently, and drop our all-out worship of consumerism.
When a majority of the wealth goes to the top 1 to 5 percent what do you expect.
This whole rant about "they don't want to work" is ridiculous, and
uninformed. If it were true you have no one to work labor jobs, or service
industry jobs. The whole economy would collapse. Our current economy relies on
the majority of people willing to work their butts off for nothing and then
except some kind of help. Look around Red. It's the middle age women
stocking the shelves in Wal-Mart that is getting your tax dollars for food
Private enterprise will fix things. The corporations cannot be making huge
profits, or can they?
Work? They don't want to work!That is why they voted for
Obama!We have unraveled the fabric of America by trying to guarantee
everyone everything. It just doesn't work that way.
Let the blame the victim start. Other pending thoughts to avoid thinking or
doing anything about the problem: It is Obama's fault, people are lazy, I
got out of poverty so can everyone else, if they didn't have so many
babies, welfare reform, welfare fraud, taking god out of schools, turn to