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Published: Thursday, July 25 2013 6:00 a.m. MDT

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lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

so holder is going to ignore the SCOTUS - typical of this misadministration, ignore stuff they don't like, even if it is part of their signature health insurance law.

mcdugall
Murray, UT

@lost in DC. Holder is not ignoring SCOTUS, you have ignored SCOTUS. SCOTUS only invalidated parts of the Voting Rights Act, not the entire Act.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Good for Holder. PA should be next, as there are public statements by two different Republican leaders that voter suppression was the goal.

Voter fraud is rare, yet Republican leaders in several states tried to impose new rules for voting.

Now PA GOP party chairman Rob Gleason was asked in an interview broadcast whether he thought the attention drawn to Voter ID affected last year’s elections. He replied."Yeah, I think a little bit. We probably had a better election. Think about this, we cut Obama by 5%, which was big. A lot of people lost sight of that. He won, he beat McCain by 10%, he only beat Romney by 5%. I think that probably Voter ID had helped a bit in that."

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Please help me understand this issue. In order to check a book out of a public library, buy beer or cigarettes, buy an airline ticket or cash a check you must show an ID, but not to vote? Please explain to this poor Idaho farm boy why showing an ID in order to vote infringes on anyone's rights?

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:Mountanman
People who don't go to the library, don't smoke or drink (or are clearly old enough to do so), don't fly, direct deposit their checks or go to the bank with a bank deposit slip don't need ID. It is very possible to conduct life without showing ID. It used to be one just had to show a utility bill to verify their address.

The 2nd question is what should constitute an ID, and high should the bar be set?

Does a Veteran picture ID need an address on it? What about a school-issued student ID?

The bottom line is, voter fraud is rare. The bigger threats to a fraud-free voting system are the paperless voting machines.
Maybe Republicans should concern thenselves with that.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"...the attorney general said the Justice Department is asking a federal court in San Antonio to require the state of Texas to obtain approval in advance before putting FUTURE voting changes in place...".

Voter ID?

No problem.

It's the slippery slope (a notorious Republican obstructionist epithet) of what Texas or any other state MIGHT do with FUTURE voting changes.

It's interesting how the slippery slope gambit goes both ways...

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ lost in DC: From the article, "Even as Congress considers updates to the Voting Rights Act in light of the court's ruling, we plan, in the meantime, to fully utilize the law's remaining sections to ensure that the voting rights of all American citizens are protected."

Please explain how that is defying SCOTUS.

@ Mountanman: You are assuming those individuals affected by voter ID laws participate in those other things - you are also comparing optional activities to a right.

I've had a library card for over 40 years - I needed no photo ID to get it, I need no photo ID to use it. I've had a bank account for over 30 years - I had no photo ID when I opened it, I don't cash checks - I deposit them with an ATM card and withdraw funds the same way - no photo ID needed. I don't drink, smoke, or fly. None of that means I shouldn't have a right to vote.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

Re: Truthseeker and Maudine:

It's not difficult at all to obtain a picture ID. I've been around a long time and don't know of a single adult citizen who can't obtain one if they want to. On top of that, it obviously is the best way of proving you are who you say you are.

Without picture ID, it would be relatively easy to be able to vote as a sibling or some other relative... even a dead one... as has been known to happen.

Some people claim voter fraud is rare. Define rare and then back that up with some proof. In some areas it is. It's altogether possible that fraud is more prevalent than currently realized. Stats are based on KNOWN fraud... while unknown fraud is obviously yet unaccounted for, so truly could be fairly significant in some districts.

Even if you want to stick with the somewhat rare argument, why not be proactive and take a preventive approach when it comes to dealing with voter fraud and potential fraud? Especially since it truly is not difficult or an unreasonable burden to obtain picture ID, which would also useful for numerous other things.

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ Tators: Individuals without a photo ID by definition do not drive. This means they must either find a ride or use public transportation to get to a office that issues IDs. The more rural the ares, the less likely there is to be public transportation.

Many individuals without photo ID must therefore find someone to drive them to an issuing office.

ID issuing offices are not open on Saturdays. This means that the driver - and the person needing the photo ID - may have to miss work.

Additionally, in rural areas of Texas, some offices that issue photo IDs are only open one or two days per week.

In one area of Texas, an individual has to travel more than an hour each direction to an office that is open one day per week. This means the individual and the person driving them may miss a full day of work.

In Dallas, it can be a 4 hour round trip to an issuing office.

How "difficult" it is to obtain photo ID depends on your situation.

Add in the cost of a birth certificate ($22 - about 3 hours of work at minimum wage), and it can indeed be difficult.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

3rd try
re:Tator
FYI Laws and requirements vary from state to state.

Where did you go to get your picture ID? What documents did you have to provide to get a picture ID?
How did you get those documents? How much did it cost?

For example, there are many instances of (mostly elderly) people not being able to get an ID because they aren't able to obtain a copy of their birth certificate. In other cases, people don't live near a DMV, have transportation to a DMV to obtain an ID, nor the means to obtain a certified copy of their birth certificate.

Gil Paar served in the military for four years was not allowed to vote because his Veteran's card, which is issued by the United State Department of Veterans Affairs and contains both his photo and address is not one of the approved forms of government-issued photo ID under Wisconsin's new voter ID law. Despite having a driver's license that would have allowed him to vote.

Last December, RNC Chairman Priebus declared that Wisconsin is “absolutely riddled with voter fraud.” In fact, Wisconsin's voter fraud rate in 2004 was 0.0002% (7 votes).

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ Maudine:

I genuinely believe that the scenario circumstances you described can be applied to only a very minuscule number of people. I've traveled a lot during my lifetime and have yet to meet anyone who didn't have a way to get to someplace like a ID office if they so desired. Where there is a will, there is almost always a way.

Also, the circumstances you describe to get a photo ID are nearly the identical requirements it takes to vote. If that person doesn't drive, they will need either public transportation or someone to take them to a voting station. Voting always takes place in the middle of the week... on Tuesdays (1 day per year... not per week), also potentially effecting work. In other words, it shouldn't be any harder to get a photo ID than it is to vote, the main reason for getting the photo ID.

Also, as far as a birth certificate goes, even illegal immigrants working for less than minimum wage acquire them... even at a premium. So again, if there's any will at all, there's certainly a way. They also last a lifetime... and sometimes beyond!

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ Tators: No, the conditions to vote are not the same as the conditions to get a voter ID. There are a great many more polling places than DMVs no matter where you live.

As for the number of people affected, are you claiming that preventing rare voter fraud is more important than ensuring those who have a right to vote are able to do so? It is more important to prevent 7 erroneous votes than to allow 1 million people to vote correctly?

And if illegal immigrants are able to steal birth certificates and vote anyway, than what purpose do voter ID laws serve?

Tators
Hyrum, UT

Just thinking out loud here.
But is it possible that the current administrations reluctance to require people to prove who they are before voting has anything to do with the fact that almost all of the fraud discovered, that would've been prevented with a photo ID requirement, were voting for democrats?
And please don't say that fraud is so rare. The DISCOVERED fraud might be relatively small, but who can prove than there isn't a lot of undiscovered fraud still going on??

That certainly would explain why Holder and Obama don't want to keep those votes from being counted and would like the practice continued. Nah... I'm sure that's just coincidental.

Based on the above comments, I'm quite certain that both Truthseeker and Maudine are dyed in the wool democrats who relate to the current administrations feelings toward this matter... and for the exactly the same reasons.

FYI... the argument about photo ID's being such a big burden and almost impossible to get genuinely comes across as more of an excuse than a valid reason to a lot of people.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "It is the department's first action to protect voting rights following the Supreme Court's decision . . . ."

Protect voting rights? Yeah, right. Like coyotes' first action to protect the henhouse.

Rather, it signals an intent to unfairly and illegally affect the 2014 elections by action that will inevitably be declared unconstitutional, but not -- the Obama regime and its politicized Injustice Department hopes -- until after the 2014 elections.

It's interesting they picked on Texas. Its presidential voting history show a fairly consistent 60-40% Republican/Democrat vote split. Its Congressional delegation is not far from that [24/12 -- 66-33%].

So, why pick on Texas, rather than, say California. Its presidential voting history also shows about a 60-40% split. Its Congressional delegation, however, is nearly 72% Democrat.

So the Injustice Department is going after a state whose votes come out about right, while ignoring California's clear gerrymandering.

Coincidence, surely. Probably just the mistake of some local Cincinnati bureaucrats.

WHAT NOW?
Saint George, UT

Who can prove that there isn't a lot of undiscovered Republican fraud going on?

David
Centerville, UT

Libs felt Cheney was a madman grabbing and abusing power. Holder is Cheney on steroids.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

What do you expect from an AG who is in contempt of Congress?

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

Has there ever been a party like this Democratic Party pander to voters in such a way. No voter ID, ridiculous.

RDJntx
Austin, TX

This conversation is dumb. Part of the Texas voter ID law is that every one eligible to vote will be provided a FREE voter ID card if they don't have anothe form of valid ID. FREE people. how does that infringe on anybodys right to vote? they get to the grocery store, get to the post office, and get out to vote so they should be able to get out to get a voter ID card with little issue.

Casca
Orleans, IN

ONLY YOU have the power to stop it! AT numbersusa, write your own point of view or copy the one exhibited to send. Advise your representatives by phoning any of the100 Senators and 435 Representatives for State or Federal at toll-free number -- 1-888-978-3094--. Or you can phone the United States Capitol circuit at (202) 224-3121. A terminal operator will connect you straight with the Senate office or just about anybody in Washington. It is your right to speak up about the lies relating to the Benghazi, Libya massacre, The IRS running amok just before the Presidential election intimidating Conservative groups, the gun running scandal to Mexico with the murder of a Border Patrol agent and the IRS ignoring the 7 billion dollars being illegally siphoned from the child tax credit controversy. If you are really worried about your countries future under the present administration, go to Judicial Watch judicialwatch.org/ this is in depth coverage in Washington and every state, which has ominous activity to hide.
NOTE: I just wonder when Eric Holders people will be spying on me, because my adverse drafts against this dangerous administration.

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