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Published: Tuesday, July 23 2013 8:21 p.m. MDT

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STuFOO
Korea, AE

MyPerspective

My apologies...

Instead of ute trolls I meant ute "fans" whose only purpose is to come to any article that is remotely about BYU who feel that they need to explain to BYU fans why they are irrelevant and not part of a "big boy" conference,regardless of what ther article is actually about.

Feel better?

I don't think it is a conspiracy theory at all. There are hundreds of examples where corrupt organizations bribing people with justifiable power to shut up and not be a problem anymore.

If your argument is that the BCS is not corrupt...

I can't help you there. They are indefensible.

What cracks me up is that when utah was on the outside in 2008 and scorned by the system, they were some of the most outspoken (justifiably so) people against the BCS...

Five years later, the fall all over themselves gushing about being accepted and part of the program they once hated and felt was keeping them from what they earned.

It is not a hard jump to see that it worked.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@StuFoo,

Know how we "overcame" the bcs issues we didn't like?

We EARNED an invite.

If byu had multiple undefeated seasons the past 10 years, multiple BCS bowls, multiple BCS wins, a bowl win over Alabama, multiple top 5 finishes in the past 10 years....you'd have an invite too.

But your team isn't capable of doing those things.

So you're still OUT!

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Chris b

"We EARNED an invite."

I have no problem with the idea that utah earned an invite. They earned it to shut them up and not make waves for the BCS. It takes nothing away from what BYU had done or is doing.

However,that is not what your posts is really about is it?

You post only in RELATION to BYU and frame your success only in how you can chase your on bias against BYU. It is NOT about utahs success, it is about your perceived BYU failure.

For example: "But your team isn't capable of doing those things."

Interesting that 10 years ago, no one thought utah could do it either, then did. So in your bias opinion BYU can't, not ever...

once again proves my point.

BYU could run the tables this year, have a magical season and cause all kinds of problems for the BCS. College football is just that way.

But, in your eyes it can't happen. Which proves my point again.

utah was invited, so what? in college football you are only as relevant as your last season.

Except for National Championships. They are forever.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Chris b

"Know how we "overcame" the bcs issues we didn't like?"

OK so the local mob is shaking down businesses in a certain part of town. A politician finds out about the corruption and starts to make waves. He visits with his fellow politicians and decides that it needs to be changed.

the local mob can't get simply rid of the problem overtly. So instead, they bring in the politician and make him a deal that if he shuts up ad plays along, even help them to become respectable, they will cut him in for a partial share.

The politician, eager to be accepted by the "big boy's" eagerly accepts it and then justifies their position by singing the virtues of the mob's respectable side while ignoring the criminal side.

Earned it like that?

Look, I don't care if utah is in the pac 12. But don't come here to tell me that utah is somehow superior because they are.

That's an argument waiting for a train that does not exist.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Chris B

Utah didn't "earn" anything; the Utes were simply in the right place at the right time.

It's obvious to any intelligent fan that Colorado's years of mediocrity and Utah's momentary flash in the pan success didn't have any influence whatsoever on the PAC's decision to invite Colorado and Utah to join their conference.

All that the PAC really needed was a couple of warm bodies with decent-sized television markets and the proper "cultural fit" to fill out the roster so the PAC could play a conference championship game and increase their television market.

The Utes have already proven beyond any doubt that as far as athletics and football are concerned, the Utes are in over their heads - not a single win over a conference foe with a winning record and bottom dwelling finishes in every PAC sport except for the Red Rocks.

AggieVoice
Logan, UT

Isn't money in sports derived from viewership? I don't understand why the big conferences would want to drop thier viewership...? While their fans comprise a majority of college football fans in the country, there are still PLENTY of fans that are mainly interested in their school. If Utah State was in a lower division, I wouldn't care as much about watching the higher league because they have nothing to do with my school. If I want to see the best athletes, I can watch the NFL. Sounds like a bad idea, and I doubt anything will ever come of it.

ekute
Layton, UT

"BYU could run the tables this year, have a magical season and" nobody would care. "College football is just that way" since 2 years ago. lol.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT
@ YGrad/YDad

"And yet you keep devouring these nonsense stories..."

If the definition of "devouring" is to see the headline and possibly read the comments then I am guilty."

In other words, another well informed Ute poster. "I read the headline, judged the entire article as an utter waste of time, and took the time to tell everyone else my opinion, based on their opinion."

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

ekute

Utah will never run the table again, never win a conference championship, and never play in the playoffs. The Utes have been, and always will be, PAC bottom dwellers - that's just the way it is for the Utes, in every sport. LOL!

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT
Y Grad / Y Dad

Your time would be better spent worrying about how byu would fit into the proposed "new order" rather than fretting over your so called "have-nots in the 5P." Washington St., Colorado, and Utah will be just fine as will Illinois, Vanderbilt, and Iowa St. The "haves" will continue to "have."

Lets see, John Infante, an NCAA expert, posits the theory, the AP thinks its credible enough to report it, but MyPerspective says no way. Hmmmm, who to believe, who to believe?

BYU brings $50 million to the table while Oregon, Stanford and USC subsidize my beloved Wazzu, Colorado and Utah, and you're not going to even think about it?

STuFOO
Korea, AE

ekute

"BYU could run the tables this year, have a magical season and" nobody would care. "College football is just that way" since 2 years ago. lol.

Again, thanks for proving my point.

Meaning you would try not to care, and you'd be back on BYU boards for some other reason.

It is funny that utah "fans" claim that Independence makes BYU obsolete. Despite overwhelming evidence of the contrary.

No, I am not going to write it all again. There are hundreds of examples provided by BYU fans on every article for the past year.

It boils down to a simple principle.

Do you frame your teams success ONLY as it relates to your rival, or do you see past your rival and see success for success sake?

Which one are you?

I don't care about the u. I don't read their articles. I don't follow the team, at all. But don't mistake that with defending one of my teams from people who can only frame their teams success in relation to BYU.

Mark321
Las Vegas, NV

@ Chris B

"If byu had multiple undefeated seasons the past 10 years, multiple BCS bowls, multiple BCS wins, a bowl win over Alabama, multiple top 5 finishes in the past 10 years....you'd have an invite too."

What a silly standard to measure an invite. More than half of the teams currently in the BCS conferences wouldn't make the cut with those standards. More than half of the BCS teams never made it to a BCS bowl game let alone multiple ones. Do you think Indiana, Duke, Iowa State, Northwestern, Syracuse should remain in the BCS when they don't even meet those standards? BYU is better than half of the teams currently in the BCS. Again, Chris your not being objective. You emotional disdain for BYU is overcoming your common sense. Do you really believe Duke, Indiana, Iowa State, Northwestern, Purdue, or Washington State is better than BYU in football? If you believe that than you really are delusional.

Striker
Omaha, NE

This will never happen, but if it did, I can't wait to see these schools fall on their faces. Really shallow schools like Florida and Ohio State pad their schedules with cupcakes because their conference is too hard for the poor babies. Get rid of those cupcakes and they will struggle. I would LOVE to see this happen.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Since all of the big boys want 7 home games, IF this ever happens, schools like Utah will end up playing all of their OOC games on the road - 5 home and 7 road, or 4 home and 8 road, will become the norm for Utah.

Barnbug1
SPANISH FORK, UT

Most of you on this board seem to get all of their info from, well, message boards. The reason the big boys are looking to re-organize is they want to get away from conference members who suck more out of the system than they could contribute. Athletic programs who would lose money were it not for TV deals will be in trouble unless they are winning regularly. This will be about money,period. Those who think current membership guarantees anything are wrong. That is what I was told, take it or leave it.

jej
SANDY, UT

What this will eventually come down to is money. Money is what is driving college sports today. Which teams have the best market and which teams bring in the most revenue. BYU will not be left out if this change ever happens because they bring money and a nationwide audience. That is why ESPN partnered with BYU in a broadcast deal. They understand it is a good market and a money maker. The worldwide leader in sports is not stupid. If the ability to pay athletes additional scholarship money to cover full cost of attendance is going to be the measuring stick for this new "power conference" then BYU most certainly will not be on the outside. They can afford it. Other teams in these power conferences would struggle to do that.

VAggie
Bristow, United States

It is a zero sum game, because there are not an unlimited amount of Division 1 players. This will hurt a lot of middle and lower tier schools in the PAC, SEC, BIG, BIG 12, and even hurt upper tier schools in the ACC. Only a handful of schools should want this, and a smaller handful of schools return any money from football, because the costs of football are also a lot higher. If players need to be paid so badly, they should allow kids to go pro earlier. If not those handful of maybe 12 schools (probably less) can leave the NCAA and only play each other.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I am amazed at the BYU fans that think they will be included in a new division. Have you forgotten about the Sunday play issue? The academic issues? Graduate programs? Research programs? Do you really believe you will be accommodated on all of these? Do you think the LDS Church will pick up the extra tab? (stipends) Do you believe God would rather have a BYU football team in a upper division than have you help the under privileged people of the world?

It is much easier to win ten games when you are playing six or seven gimme games. BYU has never played more than four BCS level teams in one year. Or do you think your team could compete with a ten game schedule like most of the Power 5? Do you really think you would get away with playing a schedule like the past two years and the 2015 year? Even this years schedule is not up to BCS standards! Over the past few years BYU has lost to most of the better teams on their schedule. Even your designated bottom feeder Utah has owned you. Take off your blue goggles and wake up.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Silent Lurker

"I am amazed at the BYU fans that think they will be included in a new division. Have you forgotten about the Sunday play issue? The academic issues? Graduate programs? Research programs? Do you really believe you will be accommodated on all of these?"

Sunday play may indeed be an issue. Graduate programs and research shouldn't, as this is a football initiative, not a conference affiliation. If a "high research" classification (like BYU has) was an issue than Baylor, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State would also be on the outside looking in. If graduate programs was a top priority, than Auburn, Boston College, Texas Tech, and Arkansas can all forget about an invite.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Do you believe God would rather have a BYU football team in a upper division than have you help the under privileged people of the world?"

Well, yes. Seems to me the the church is already doing a rather decent job of both.

A lot of y'all just aren't listening (reading) very well.

This is all about the M O N E Y. The Haves want to parlay what they have into More. They don't want the Have Nots to have Less, they just want the Have Nots to have less access to More.

The fine point is, they propose that you have to Pay to Play. Infante is suggesting that within the power conferences, while the Rich currently subsidize the Poor, under a new system, they won't want to.

The irony is delicious. The mere suggestion that this change could result in Utah = out and BYU = in has Utah fans in total denial.

I'm not saying it's right, or that it's inevitable, just that it's funny.

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