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Published: Friday, July 19 2013 12:26 p.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Why would barack purposely be misleading?

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

Yeah, Obama had been such an honest guy. You don't suppose that too much of Reid and Pelosi rubbed off on him in his first two years do you?

rawlshea1
salt lake city, UT

For the last three years and more than $300 million of anti-Affordable Care Act aka Obamacare have been deluging the public airwaves with false information. The insurance industry clearly is threatened by Obamacare so using stealth methods of political propaganda they keep the constant drumbeat of misinformation. The curious question to me is why the people who would benefit from Obamacare, i.e. those without health insurance, don't raise their voices to support its successful implementation? Any civil not political thoughts?

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

rawlsheal

Obamacare was first put into place to insure the 30 or 40 million un-insured people in the country. That would have been fine. Except, it now is trying to re-write almost everyones health insurance. And most of the un-insured were temporarily that way, between jobs, and or young people who really didn't need it very much to begin with. Obamacare quickly grew out of control in its influence and now is affecting everyone. Obama and the Democrats in Congress are trying to take a much smaller problem and use it to put a national health care system in place. Something they have wanted forever. Many of us who were happy with our private health plans now are threatened with losing them. That help?

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

The thing that will change with obonehead care is that the people who already pay their way will now be paying even more. Same old scam.

The people who freeload and avoid paying will continue to exploit the system and take advantage.

The IRS will selectively enforce penalties on those that the believe "should and can" afford to pay the penalties.

Do you think they will really pursue those on the lower end of the socio-economic ladder and enforce penalties? Right.

Check the news in California:

$2,000 deductibles, $45 primary care visit co-pays, and $250 emergency room tabs.
Those are just some of the charges enrollees will incur in a silver-level plan in California, which recently unveiled an overview of the benefits and charges associated with its exchange. That's on top of the $321 average monthly premium.

Does that sound affordable to someone who supposedly can't afford healthcare now? Go to a website for health insurance and you can get more for less than that now...yet this is called the "affordable" care act?

I pay a slightly higher premium than that but it is for a family of 5 not just a single person!!!

David
Centerville, UT

Obama now dictates what amount a company can do with its money. What will keep government (Obama) from telling other industries what can be done with the money the business receives in exchange for services? Can't the market do this better?

Didn't the Soviet Union, China and Cuba try this type of market control? How'd that work out for them? The Soviet Union collapsed, China has adopted more freedom for its market to survive, and Cuba continues to limp along.

If you want to change the dynamics of the insurance industry, even the playing field by eliminating the insurance company's ability to price-fix and monopolize. The insurance industry is not required to conform to anti-trust laws the same way that other industries do. That would be a good place to start.

Obamacare is creating a mess that will get uglier.

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

Well, golly gee willikers. I am shocked by this revelation! Why would the Dear Leader lie to us?

How can you tell when Obama is lying?
His lips are moving.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

I hope DN will use reliable fact-checking sites more often for claims made by both political parties.

re:Anti-Govt.

A preventive care visit is free--at least once/yr.
Questions:

Do you self-insure or do you get your health insurance through your employer?

How did you arrive at the $321 average premium? What parameters did you use--monthly salary, number and age of members in household etc?

Bob K
porland, OR

A-- this is presented as a news article, but it is full of opinion and judgement. It's the sort of thing that causes people to make fun of Fox News.

B-- "forcing healthcare" is the ONLY way to keep the costs down. The opponents are fueled by drug companies, rich doctors, hospital chains, etc. Britain and Canada have far superior (if imperfect) systems for more people than we do, at substantially less cost. They also have few millionaire doctors and pharmaceutical salesmen. YES, it is more or less socialism, but so are Social Security and Medicare.

Beaver Native
Garland, UT

Politicians on both sides of the aisle mislead or downright lie about themselves or their opposition in order to gain reelection or to further their pet projects. Don't trust what the politician says; dig deeper and find the facts for yourself. Be careful about your sources and take everything that's said in the name of politics with a grain of salt.

Even the honest politicians disagree about merits of legislative proposals or their results. Voters have a responsibility to go beyond the rhetoric, do some research, and then let legislators hear their voices. I wonder how many commenters have taken the time to contact their legislators?

worf
Mcallen, TX

Take from the responsible working man, and redistributing to the others. Where do rebates come from?

Same song, and dance.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Say it ain't so Joe! Obama spinning? Or can we just call it lying?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Hey DN, what gives?

why did you block my comment in response to rawlshea1? Why?

it was not crude, vulgar, defamatory, had no personal attacks, was civil. Why?

I asked why insurance companies would oppose Obamacare. After all, it gives them 50 million new customers, who, if they cannot pay, get subsidized by the treasury. It's a no lose situation for them. Why did you block it?

I also said insurance companies came out openly against hillarycare in 1993. Did you block it because you thought "hillary" was an obscenity?

Or could it be you wanted no responses to his/her assertion that it is Obamacare's opponents that are spreading misinformation, when the AP itself, the defenders of all things BO, that admitted Bo was lying about the benefits of Obamacare?

Or could it be that I pointed out so much of Obamacare is a blatant lie? it DOES cover types of abortion; it DOES contain a massive tax increase; many who like their current plans are losing them; it was passed with brides and kickbacks. Why are you protecting it, WHY?

No, there was no good reason for you to have blocked that comment. Please post this one.

ipr
Spanish Fork, UT

Bob K: I've lived a large portion of my life in Europe. There are large difference between socialized medicine there and what we're supposed to get here. For one, in Europe the government sets the price for medication and treatment. This year the copay of one of my medications went from $39/month to $117/month. The reason for that was the quadrupling of the price of my medication. Also the waiting time for a doctor's appointment/medical treatment can be months. Oh and Great Britain might have "free" medical treatment, but I'd prefer to keep my teeth, instead of having them pulled, because it's cheaper. Also if you need dialysis, I'd prefer to live here, because in Britain you might have to travel 4 hours (one way) to get it.
Also, if Obamacare is socialized like "Medicare and Social Security," we are doomed to failure, don't you agree?

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

I thought it was amazingly astute and candid of "Bob K" from Portland to admit that, "YES, it is more or less socialism, but so are Social Security and Medicare."

It was also a bit laughable to compare this train wreck with the other examples of socialism, both of which are on a similar collision course with economic reality. The same one into which Detroit recently and predictably collided, after decades of similar self-deceit.

The fundamental dishonesty baked into Obamacare and its socialist cousins, Social Security (the biggest Ponzi scam ever perpetrated) and Medicare, is that you can get out more than you put in.

It's the sort of duplicity for which politicians are famous, but only because, in a representative democracy like ours, **we the people** put them in power.

Consequently, if we want to cast stones at all the dishonest politicians who have successfully bought off a dishonest electorate with dishonest promises in the form of dishonest programs, like Obamacare, SS and Medicare, we need to throw them first at ourselves.

Most importantly, if we ever want to fix the mess we've created, the solution **must** come from us, the people, the electorate.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

Article title: "Fact Check: President Obama Spins Health Insurance Rebates"

Wha?...wha?...what???

Obama mislead Americans about the TRUE costs of his 'affordable' health care law?

No, I neeeeever saw that coming.

(sarcasm "Off")

Some day this President, and the leaders (if you dare call them that) who rammed it into law, like Harry Reid and Nancy "We Have To Pass The Bill To Find Out What's In The Bill" Pelosi WILL answer to the Ruler of us all about the immorality, lies, deceit and abuses of power that were used to pass this supposedly "Constitutional" law.

And, yes, this is my real name and, no, I'm not afraid of hollow stones thrown at me by those who have been seduced into loving this unjust law.

Dan Maloy
Enid, OK

Article quote: "In his speech defending his health care law Thursday, Obama said rebates averaging $100 are coming from insurance companies to 8.5 million Americans."

OK, let's just assume that Obama was truthful about 8.5 million Americans receiving (an average) $100 rebates.

Where is that money going to come from?

8,500,000 x $100 = $850,000,000.....that's almost $1 billion, folks.

Does any liberal actually believe that the American insurance companies are going to just 'give up' $850 MILLION out of the goodness of their hearts?

Liberals: "No!, they won't give up $850 million out of the goodness of their hearts, they'll give up $850 million because Obamacare is the law & and it FORCES them to!"

Realists: "And then those insurance companies are going to turn right around and RAISE premiums on everyone they can to make up that missing $850 million."

Liberals: "Uh....."

My point exactly.

Anyone, and I mean anyone, who actually believes Obamacare is a good thing is 100% clueless.

Period.

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