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Published: Friday, July 19 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Salt Lake City, UT

This article is to political discourse what cotton candy is to nutrition.

Reality check: Obama has issued _fewer_ Executive Orders that any president in many decades.

He's the President of the United States, fer cryin' out loud! It's his _job_ to accomplish things. Normally, there'd be some kind of sane process involving Congress and the normal cooperative give-take relationship between the Executive and the Legislative branches of government.

But not these days - we're dealing with a House of Representatives that would officially endorse suffocation if Obama said something favorable about oxygen.

Salt Lake City, UT

Ken, tell us how you really feel. Seriously this piece is one of the most rabid rants you have ever run in your paper. I'm sure more is to come, and all of same mindset.


Actually, the majority of American citizens supported healthcare reform and voted for Obama because he said he would do it.

Obama is not a perfect President and there are a lot of real concerns that can and should be brought up - but over the top rhetoric like that contained in this piece does nothing to forward the conversation.

Sandy, UT

Another case of "too little, too late."

Samaria, ID

Congratulations to Ken Hoagland. He has managed to pack every false accusation about the presidency of Barack Obama into one concise op-ed essay. Of course, as is usually the case, accusations are made without documented evidence or statements are made with the assumption that everyone will simply accept them without question.

"...the government takeover of health care was enacted over the objections of a majority of citizens."

Just of the phony statements made by Mr. Hoagland who apparently isn't aware of how our government works. Representative are elected to the House and Senate and those representatives pass the laws of the land. The "majority of the people" were represented by those elected officials and the law was passed. And by the way, despite the election of new representatives and, at last count, 39 attempts to overturn that law, it hasn't happened - because the majority doesn't want it too.

The latest controversy about NSA surveilance is only evidence of how uninformed the American citzens are about their government. The FISA Court has been in place since 1978 and the wholesale use of it shifted into high gear after the Patriot Act was passed. What a surprise.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

... and don't forget: Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii (was it even really a "state" back then?) is suspect...


DN loves to "feed" red meat to the ravaging wolves.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The work requirements for welfare were never abolished. Just because Mitt Romney said it doesn't make it true.

Eugene, OR

I love the smell of right-wing whining in the morning...

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

I haven't got past his first comment after his 1st election. "Now they can ride in the back of the buss".

Hayden, ID

Roland Kayser. You are wrong. There is no job seeking requirement anymore to receive food stamps. Both houses of congress passed this requirement and Bill Clinton signed the law (welfare reform act) but Obama issued an executive order removing the work requirement. Since then the number of food stamp recipients have more than doubled. If the requirement of seeking work has not been removed, unemployment would have dropped dramatically and the number of food stamp recipients would not have increased. Its unaffordable for taxpayers but it sure wins elections for Democrats!

Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Maudine" I don't think a majority ever favored it. Right now it is a minority that still favors it. The ACA is a mess and will do us no good.

To "Blue" not all edicts coming from Obama are in the form of executive orders. Some are just policies and regulations that his subordinates just start because that is the will of Obama.

For example, thanks to Congress, Obama gained the authority to hold US citizens indefinately if he deems them to be a terrorist. He does not have to issue an executive order to declare you a terrorist and hold you until you find a way out.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

You would expect that a group calling itself “Restore America’s Voice Foundation” would represent the people of America. That is until you remember that conservatives only regard business as people. The word Foundation probably means that it is tax exempt.

The president of the United States of America is the only person elected by the people of America. All other elected officials are elected and represent states. State governments do not represent the people, not even those of their own state, due to their surrender and control by business interests.

When a group declares itself to be an enemy of the American government based on false notions about the president I can only think of the group as an enemy.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Brilliant --
8 hours of daily AM hate radio all summed up in one letter.
A Literately masterpiece.

FYI --
The South felt the same way about Abraham Lincoln.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Redshirt1701 said:
"For example, thanks to Congress, Obama gained the authority to hold US citizens indefinately if he deems them to be a terrorist. He does not have to issue an executive order to declare you a terrorist and hold you until you find a way out."

For some reason that seems familiar for a while now, but if you say Obama started it, it must be true.

Actually a majority of folks like the individual parts of the ACA, and say so, they tend to not like it when it's called Obamacare though. So it would seem those who oppose it, do so through ignorance not actual knowledge of the act.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

In response to a request from a bipartisan group of governors for more flexibility, the Obama Administration has said the federal government would consider waiving existing work participation requirements for states that were experimenting with "new, more effective ways" of helping welfare applicants find work, "particularly helping parents successfully prepare for, find, and retain employment."
Either way, the Obama Administration hasn't gotten rid of the work requirement or laid out a new theory of what it ought to include. It has given states the ability to seek executive branch approval for new methods.
Do you believe in state rights or not?

Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Happy Valley Heretic" where did I say that Obama started it? I was just giving a current example of edicts that the President can give without issuing an executive order.

The question for you is do you agree with edicts that Obama has been issuing? (Leave Bush out of this because he is no longer in office and anything he did is irrelevant at this time, unless Obama was to reverse it, which he hasn't).

Centerville, UT

The South felt the same way about Abraham Lincoln. Very true, they were Democrats, they created the KKK to destroy Republicans politically in the South and to maintain segregation in the states.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

I appreciate Ken's efforts to articulate/summarize Republican talking points.

It would be wonderful if Ken do this more often.

Please Ken, keep it coming.

Thanks Ken.

Mapleton, UT

Why do some so readily embrace any and every rumor, half-truth and outright lie that might discredit the President? Are we to believe as they do that well into his second term and after considerable effort the President cannot rightly lay claim to a single accomplishment? What of their constant harangue, unjustly laying at the President's feet the blame for much of the world's problems? Who can succeed politically here in the land of the far-right who is not fully committed to the cause to delegitimize the President?

Call me crazy, but it all sounds rather extreme to me.

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