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Published: Thursday, July 18 2013 4:03 p.m. MDT

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procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "If there is a silver lining, perhaps this is it — that we might renew a civil discourse . . . ."

I don't know what you've been watching, Dan, but there's no civil discourse. No silver lining.

This tragedy has been hijacked by the victimization industry [including their wholly-owned subsidiary, the news media], whose leaders are seeing what has been a lucrative, influential political gig going on the wane.

Truth is, today's race problem is negligible. And that scares those who've made a good living and been given influence WAY out of proportion to any validity their positions may once have had, over WAY too many years.

So, they're disingenuously stirring the pot, hoping to further divide us as a Nation, cynically influence a few sophomoric malcontents, and re-energize a guilt-ridden liberal base, all to regain political power they've correctly lost, because there's no real need for them anymore.

Trayvon/Zimmerman was never about race. Using it as a springboard to discussions of race relations is buying into the victimization industry's cynical lies.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Race hustlers like Al Sharpton,Jesse Jackson and others see "racism" where it doesn't exist, except in their own minds!

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Leave the issues in the country it comes from. We are Americans Not in Ireland or England, Africa or Mexico or in any place. We are in America. Respect this place it's an honor and a privilege to be hear. Act like it.

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

My biggest problem with this case is the sloppy work done by the police force. Much has been said about the presence of THC in Martin's body, indicating that he had smoked marijuana some time before. But there was no investigation of Zimmerman's condition at all. Had he been consuming illegal drugs or had he been drinking alcohol?

We also know that Zimmerman had issues. He was arrested at age 20 for shoving a police officer who was questioning if one of his companions was old enough to purchase a drink. He also had some history of domestic abuse - his ex-fiancee had a restraining order placed on him in 2005, alleging domestic violence.

Why is a person with this record permitted to carry a gun? Isn't that just asking for trouble?

I can't say the jury made the wrong decision. They found Zimmerman not guilty, which is not the same as innocent. This simply means that the prosecution failed to prove its case. We'll never know for certain who initiated the physical confrontation that led to Martin's death. It is sad for everyone involved.

joe5
South Jordan, UT

The reason we can't have a dialog on race in this country is because we can't have an honest dialog on the topic. For example, in 1960 there was a higher percentage of two-parent black homes than two-parent white homes. What happened to destroy the black family by the end of the century? There is a political faction in this country that does not want that question answered honestly.

If a black man like Bill Cosby, with no political agenda to grind, wants to discuss solutions to the social problems faced by blacks, it doesn't create a dialog. It creates an outcry, a furor, a spewing forth of hateful comments from those who cannot tolerate opinions other than their own. How can a dialog exist in that environment.

If someone observes there are more blacks in the criminal justice system because they commit more crimes, nobody wants to evaluate whether the evidence supports that theory. Instead, they want to immediately crucify the messenger as racist. How can a dialog happen in that environment?

To have a dialog, you have to be willing to listen to and consider opinions that differ from your own.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I was disgusted to learn that Treyvon used a racist phrase in describing Zimmerman to his friend while on the phone with her.

This racism has no part in our country.

Shame on Treyvon.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Imagine for a moment...

A young BLACK man with juice and skittles from 7-11,
wearing a hoodie,
being harassed and relentlessly followed, by a bigger man,
and HE'S the one with a gun?

George Zimmerman never would have been on trial.

Perhaps the lesson to be learned is that entire African American community should also be following the advise of the NRA and the pro-gun 2nd amendment supporters?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Perhaps the lesson to be learned is that entire African American community should also be following the advise of the NRA and the pro-gun 2nd amendment supporters?"

Couldn't hurt.

An armed society is a polite society.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

LDS lib

"Perhaps the lesson to be learned is that entire African American community should also be following the advise of the NRA and the pro-gun 2nd amendment supporters"

If you look at some cities like LA and Chicago, that's already happened.

They are ahead of you

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@procuradorfiscal

Somehow, I don't see the armed communities in LA and Chicago (as pointed out by Chris B) or in Mogadishu, for example, as polite societies. Armed societies are not necessarily more polite, but they are undoubtedly more deadly.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@procuradorfiscal
"Truth is, today's race problem is negligible."

Have you ever thought to actually ask a minority what there is that concerns them about race relations? Or read or listen to something, find a Melissa Harris-Perry show from this past weekend, I don't know, just try and figure out where the heck their views that there are still problems is based on.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If this resulted in a discourse on race relations... that would be a good thing.

I think the kind of discussion we are having here is "good". Snarky at times. But we are talking about it. Talking past each other sometimes, but at least some people may learn something from the discussion.

IMO the protests are mostly non-productive. Especially the ones that have resulted in random violence on innocent bystanders. Especially when that violent outburst is caused by the color of the innocent bystanders skin.

I think it would help if the President (who was supposed to be able to bring us together on race relations) would say something. As far as I can tell he has said almost nothing and done almost nothing to help race relations in his whole two terms as President. I don't know what better opportunity he's waiting for to actually his ability to help America heal than this.

btw... Protesters need to realize there could be backlash from their protests. They could actually make race relations worse, and increase the divide.

It would be tragic if the racial-divide in America actually worsened after electing Obama.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Have you ever thought to actually ask a minority . . . ?"

Have you? If not, you're now actually engaged with a member of a recognized minority -- me.

I didn't say there is no race blather problem. There is.

But actual race problems are negligible.

If you're a Black man, living in America -- even where Trayvon died -- who doesn't pursue and assault others, including neighborhood watch volunteers, your chances of suffering or dying from actions motivated by racial animus are vanishingly small.

Even Hispanic Democrats, married to beautiful Native American Republicans, living in Tooele County [for the irony-impaired -- that's me], the odds of suffering racial or ethnic discrimination are infinitesimal.

That hasn't always been true -- I was paddled in school for speaking Spanish. Teachers suspected we were discussing them. We were.

But today? White male protestants have are at much higher risk.

And, white America's chances of being verbally assaulted, reviled, and blamed for any of a number of things it had absolutely no hand in, by one or another captain of an obsolete victimization industry?

100%.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

To say that 'actual race problems' are negligible is simply untrue. In a recent survey of young black males, 25% said that they had been hassled by law enforcement without cause.

This month.

I can't see that the Zimmerman case is about anything except race. Zimmerman followed this kid because he was 'acting suspiciously.' Well, what was he doing? There's no evidence that he was doing anything except walking home. But he was black and he wore a hoodie. So does that make him suspicious?

As it happens, there are many young teenage guys in my neighborhood. Great kids all. I sat on my porch and watched 'em yesterday, walking down the street. One was talking to himself. Another stopped suddenly, then took off in another direction. Two of them were walking together trying to shove each other off the sidewalk. They were, in short, being kids.

Betcha anything that was all Trayvon was doing.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@procuradorfiscal
"Even Hispanic Democrats, married to beautiful Native American Republicans, living in Tooele County [for the irony-impaired -- that's me]"

Somehow I managed to walk into that one even with the odds heavily in my favor that my assumption was correct based on local demographics...

"White male protestants have are at much higher risk."

This is kind of amusing because I'm insisting that your demographic is worse off when it comes to facing bigoted persecution and you're insisting that it's my demographic that is worse off when it comes to facing bigoted persecution.

The Sensible Middle
Bountiful, UT

Why do I keep reading that Trayvon Martin had skittles, does that somehow make a difference? If Adolf Hitler liked apple pie for example with that somehow rescue his reputation?

FDRfan
Sugar City, ID

I find it hard to believe that the black community has made Trayvon Martin their poster child. Even the President says that if he had a son he would want him to be like Trayvon Martin. Our discussion, if we have one, must be honest.You cannot define racism away so that it exists only in the white mind. Trayvon Martin epitomizes what is wrong in the black community - not what is right. I am not justifying Zimmerman's actions but I do justify the jurors. There is so much hatred for police and white people in general that it is impossible to say what is true. Lets have an open and frank discussion by all means. Just look at all of the disrespect that is manifested everywhere you go.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

"In a recent survey of young black males, 25% said that they had been hassled by law enforcement without cause."

Just curious, did they survey young males of other races?

And did they control other parameters?

The statistic is meaningless in a discussion of racism, without comparisons of other races and without parameters being equal.

After hearing the Martin Father's press releases today, it is very clear that what they need is to have empathy, for the loss of their son, from the US community. I don't think any amount of protesting, either peaceful or violent, will fill that need. Nor would a wrongful conviction of Zimmerman fill that need. The protests are meant to provide undo power to certain activist groups, not help the Martin family, nor to address real racial issues.

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

A calm, dispassionate analysis of crime statistics by race will show that black-on-white crime is far, far higher than the reverse. If you want an honest discourse on race relations, start with that fact.

It won't happen.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

To be clear: President Obama did not say that if he had a teenage son that he would hope he would be like Trayvon. What he said was that if he had a son, he would probably look rather like Trayvon. Big difference.

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