Published: Wednesday, July 17 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Just because people have elections and the vote does not mean that they are in a
democracy of even approach democracy. It is disingenuous for
Americans to tout democracy for other nations when our own leaders are so far
from being democratically elected. And when the cause of democracy is being
trashed by our leaders and is actually declining in the USA. None of
our major institutions are concerned with democracy, not business, religion,
schools and not our government.
This is a tricky one. The U.S. draws criticism for not doing enough to provide
leadership abroad. But when the U.S. does get involved, it's under fire for
being too meddlesome. As powerful as America is, ita does not have the means to
fix all of the world's problems. We need to understand that. So does the
rest of the world.
Following on the first two posts, one needs to remember that democracy, as we
understand it, is not the same as many in other countries would understand it.
Our version with certain rights guaranteed the individule citizen, and states,
would not work with many/most Arab/Muslim countries. Remember, Saddam in Iraq
used to run for election every few years. He always got about 99% of the vote
too. Democracys can elect a dictator. Something we in this country also need to
watch out for.
A couple of corrections:The US Constitution has been in force since 1788,
225 years, not 125.Despite what was very widely reported in the news
media, there was no military coup in Honduras in 2009. Manuel Zelaya was
impeached by the national assembly for corruption and serious violations of the
Honduran constitution, such as trying to hold an unauthorized election (using
ballots printed by Hugo Chavez's regime in Venezuela) to change the
constitution so he could stay in power. The impeachment was confirmed by a
unanimous vote of the Honduran supreme court. But, Zelaya wouldn't leave
office, so the supreme court ordered the military to remove him by force.
Roberto Micheletti, the democratically elected speaker of the national assembly
then became interim president, because he was next in line according to the
Honduran constitution. National elections had already been scheduled for
December of that year and they took place as scheduled. Micheletti stepped down
and democratically elected Porfirio Lobos was sworn in as president. Honduras
was actually quite brave in adhering to the principles of democracy and their
own constitution when it seemed like the whole world, including the Obama
administration, was against them.
(cont.)My Honduran relatives were quite upset with the way the Obama
administration responded to the situation, such as initially declaring that they
would not recognize the results of the Dec. 2009 election unless the impeached
and convicted Zelaya were reinstated. They were also angry with the ambassador
that Obama had appointed to Honduras, who, they said, was feeding back a lot of
lies about what we really happening down there. (They said that the ambassador
stood to benefit financially if Zelaya were reinstated, which is probably why he
was doing it.)So, yes, (former BYU roommate) I agree that the US
needs to do a better job of supporting democracy around the world.
Without a constitution that guarantees personal liberties, an independent
judiciary, freely elected representatives and laws that promote the economy,
democracy is little more than the tyranny of the masses.
Democracy is where the people are the rulers. not all countries have people that
are necessarily up to the task.
We can't afford to spread democracy anymore.... And then see it blow up in
our faces. Egypt and these other countries need to decide their own fates. We
too need to respect them and understand that they have the right to REJECT
democracy too. In order for democracy to survive it also needs to have a chance
The United State of America is NOT simply a democracy. The Unites States of
America is a compact of 50 small independent Republics bound together under an
umbrella of a larger Federal System with very few and limited enumerated powers.
The government is of the people and the powers are granted only by
sacred delegation to representatives of the people who are duly elected as such
by the majority of votes cast. The fact that one receives a majority of votes
does not automatically transfer power away from the people to that individual
but only authorizes him/her to act in their behalf for a specific period of time
and only to act within the limited framework of enumerated powers. The congress is composed of the Senate who represent the several independent
states and their rights under the compact. The House of Representatives are
representatives of the people themselves from the various independent States.
The Executive is elected by the individual states or commonwealths legislatures
with permission and consent of the people of the various independent states. This form of Government is a Democratic Republic.
True democracy is defined simply as 50 percent plus 1 and is as unstable as
water and next to chaos. Just because a country has an election and one person
wins the election by 50 percent plus 1 vote means nothing without a system of
laws and checks and balances to counter abuse and corruption.Egypt
elected Morsi in a democratic vote but as we have seen it meant nothing and
turned quickly to oppressive rule, then decayed in to chaos. As soon as a
corrupt and totally degenerate person is elected by a simple majority, there
will be tyranny and then chaos. The word democracy is tossed around and around
and around and by itself is as worthless as fools gold. IMO the
Unites States has lost her way and has become corrupted in large part because we
the people have been sold a bill of goods and do not understand the difference
between our Democratic Republic and a worthless and chaotic democracy.
Only if they have oil.
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