Will all you right wing extremists please put those snake, "don't tread
on me" posters on your doors? At least that way we know you have 20 guns and
are itching to use them. We'll all gladly stay away from your
neighborhood.Too bad Zimmerman hadn't just maced Trevon. But I
guess Trevon was insanely and lethally violent after using marijuana. I've
never heard of that before. Nobody has ever heard of that before.
@Brandt: "How was he able to get to it (gun) with both of Trayvons legs
wrapped around him? If it was anywhere below his chest, which it would almost
have to be..."When Trayvon straddled Zim he was astride his
lower abdomen then worked his way up to get at Zim's nose. In the process,
Trayvon pushed the gun in his jacket pocket, up toward Zim's mid chest
where he could grasp it.@Eric Samuelsen:"While it's
true that Zimmerman said Martin was 'behaving suspiciously,' what does
that mean?"I means he was walking slowly close to the buildings
and looking into windows. He very well could have been one of the Blacks who
robbed houses in the vicinity in the past.@VIDAR:"If
Zimmerman did not have a gun; martin would still be alive."If
Trayvon hadn't punched Zim in the kisser he would still be alive.
Unfortunately, Trayvon is the cause of his own demise."Because
Zimmerman would have never got out of the car."He was asked by
the 911 dispatcher 'where is he now' which required exiting
vehicle."He would have called the police."He
@KG:"I think he was racially profiled."Not by Zim.
The 911 operator ask Zim if the suspect he observed was white, Hispanic, or
Black. Zim answered, 'Black.' I guess what you're saying is...
if you say a suspect is white or Hispanic you are not racially profiling. If
you say the suspect is Black, you are racially profiling"The
report I read was that there had been reports of burglaries in the area
perpetrated by a young black man."Are you attributing the
'report' to Zim? He didn't write it, so how could that indicate
racism on Zim's part? Even so, such a report cannot be said to be racial
profiling... unless identifying a person by race is racial profiling. Police do
it all the time."When GZ saw a young, black man, he profiled
Martin, according to the reports."He was asked by the 911
operator if the guy was white, Hispanic, or Black. Did you miss that part?"That, IMO, is racial profiling."Was Zim supposed to
answer the 911 operator that he was color-blind and couldn't tell whether
the suspect was white, Hispanic, or Black?
ERic: So why are you so eager to give TM every benefit of the doubt and so eager
to assume every negative thing about GZ? Could it be that you made up your mind
about the case before ever hearing any evidence and now are skewing the facts to
support your preexisting opinion? Could it be that, without hearing the evidence
the jury heard, that you have wisdom beyond the rest of us?If you
are just trying to paint a picture of "reasonable doubt," you should
bear in mind that reasonable doubt works in the favor of GZ. He was the one on
trial. Nothing in your comments would even hint that the outcome of the trial
should have been different than it was.
If Zimmerman did not have a gun; martin would still be alive.Because
Zimmerman would have never got out of the car.He would have called the
m.g. scottWhile it's true that Zimmerman said Martin was
'behaving suspiciously,' what does that mean? There's no
evidence that he was doing anything except walking down the street. Could
'behaving suspiciously' mean 'walking around while black?'
As for him being on drugs, that's not definitive. His blood test showed
some abnormalities which might be consistent with drug use, but could also be
consistent with any one of a dozen other medical conditions. And what about
Zimmerman? Why was Martin, but not Zimmerman given a drug test?Watch
teenagers sometime. We have dozens of teenage boys in our neighborhood. They
talk to themselves. They suddenly change directions and run. They stop and
stare around. They behave, in short, like teenage boys. And Zimmerman called
9-1-1 a lot. A lot. He seems, at the very least, to be a naturally suspicious
And where did Zimmerman keep his gun? How was he able to get to it with both of
Trayvons legs wrapped around him? If it was anywhere below his chest, which it
would almost have to be, Martins legs would have been blocking access to it. He
probably already had it out before the fight took place.
A lot of Limbaugh/Beck and Hannity regurgitating going on here. Im a listener
too but you know theyre going to defend the guy with the gun no matter what in a
case like this. And im not saying the wrong decision was made, based on the
evidence I would have voted the same way. All im saying is it could have
happened the way Zimmerman said but it doesnt seem very likely. And its true
Zimmermans size is probably not due to muscle but how easily could you discern
that through the rain and in the dark?
@Kit-Kat01:"All GZ had to do was follow instruction, report it, maybe
hang back an observe, and this could have been avoided."It could
have been avoided had Trayvon not punched Zim in the nose and beat his head on
the cement sidewalk.@m.g. scott:"Zimmerman even thought
(as was later confirmed) that the person (Martin) might be on drugs."Maybe Martin faked going for skittles and, in fact, did some drugs
re:ThereYouGoAgain"Running away...as well as calling 911 to report a
perceived threat has always proven to be an effective solution for black male
teenagers..."sarcasm? There was a long history of
racial tension and distrust of police in Sanford. In many black communities
across the country there is a distrust of law enforcement officers--with many
examples to back up that fear and distrust. We don't know and
will never know exactly what happened. We only know Zimmerman's version of
what happened. It is possible that he initiated physical contact with Trayvon
but then was quickly overcome by Trayvon. Maybe Trayvon was fearful--used the
element of surprise to subdue his attacker. We don't know.We
could also ask Zimmerman why he didn't identify himself as the Neighborhood
Watch "captain?"Neighbor Watch groups are not to act as
police, in fact, carrying a weapon is strongly discouraged. Neighbor
Watch groups are merely meant to be another set of eyes and ears for the police,
not patrol officers. The fact that Zimmerman was carrying a gun
also put him in a dangerous position--because very easily that gun could've
been used against him.
"...If a young fit 17 year old feels threatened because they are being
followed by an out of shape older man, why not just run away? Or if that seems
an impossibility, simply call 911...".Exactly.Running away from a perceived threat as well as calling 911 to report a
perceived threat has always proven to be an effective solution for black male
Kit-Kat01All GZ had to do was follow instruction, report it, maybe
hang back and observe.......From the evidence, maybe that was in
fact all GZ did do. That 4 minutes and what Trayvon did during them is the key.
We know from the cell phone conversation with his friend that he knew that
Zimmerman was behind him. Maybe it was Trayvon who should have continued to
head home instead of what he did do during that 4 minute period. As for the gun
that GZ had, that might well have saved him from serious injury or even death.
This is why I never recited the "Pledge of Allegiance", cause in this
world All Men are not created equal due to ignorant ppl who think the better
than others! All GZ had to do was follow instruction, report it, maybe hang back
an observe, and this could have been avoided.Had he not had that gun, I
bet he wouldn't have gotten out that car.
EricYou seem to be leaving out some important facts. Zimmerman said
the person (Martin) was acting in a suspicious manner. Zimmerman even thought
(as was later confirmed) that the person (Martin) might be on drugs. Zimmerman
as a neighborhood watch person was doing his job in watching him. Also you say
that calling 911 is wrong?? Really? Imagine how much people would have been
saying Zimmerman was taking the law into his own hands if he had not called 911.
Calling 911 was exactly what he should have done, just like the signs I see on
the road tell me to call 911 if I think I see a drunk driver.
Is there any reason to question the verdict other than the fact TM was black?Virtually every argument I hear from those who are upset about the
verdict build their case around that single point. Any other arguments are
simply ways to justify what they already decided was a case of racism.
There's no science or even any logic behind this foaming at the mouth
mentality. They just decided it was an act of racism so the cherry-pick any
little item that might support the theory they already have and reject all other
data.The real pathetic things are : 1) they actually convince
themselves of the truth of what they are saying and 2) they avidly castigate
anybody who doesn't see it exactly the way they do. Without respect to
their religious leanings, they have a deep and abiding belief in God; that is,
they belief themselves to be God.
@Turtle"Do you not believe in the judicial system. "Roe vs WadeCitizens UnitedProp 8I think most people
believe the judicial system isn't perfect.
Jeantel said the last words she heard on the phone were Treyvon yelling "Get
off!" so maybe he was angry over being confronted like that. Who knows...
@Ernest T. BassBountiful, UTWhy hasn't the NRA issued a
statement saying that if only Trayvon Martin was armed with a gun, this tragedy
could have been avoided?9:13 a.m. July 17, 2013========= I was wondering the same thing -- In fact -- I've tried
posting that twice [the DN monitor denied me, twice.]I figured the
2nd Amendment folks would be thumping their chests about how easy it is to be
found innocent in an unnecessary killing.He HAD a cell phone.He SHOULD have stopped escalating the problem and called a cop, period - end
"More to the story?" And how would you propose getting the rest of the
story, Al Sharpton, Rachel Maddow, Jesse Jackson or MSNBC? The jury heard the
available facts and made a decision. Do you have inside information that would
change the outcome of the trial? Because you want Zimmerman to be convicted of
something/anything your complaint should be directed to the prosecution.
Re:MikeRichardsUhhh, I think you are mistaken.There was
evidence--testimony in court that Zimmerman, not Trayvon, was trained in MMA.
"Adam Pollack, a personal trainer, talked about how he trained
Zimmerman in mixed martial arts and boxing."We will never know
for sure what happened that night, because Trayvon is dead. The evidence and
testimony presented provided the reasonable doubt Zimmerman needed under the
law. The tragedy is yet another unarmed teenager was shot dead.Obama and Holder DID NOT denounce the verdict. Obama: "We are a nation
of laws and a jury has spoken," the president said in a statement. "I
now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents
who lost their young son."Holder talked about "stand your
ground laws; "We must examine laws that take this further by eliminating
the common sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a
duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely. It is our
collective obligation to ensure that our laws reduce violence, and take a hard
look at laws that contribute to more violence than they prevent."
A lot of "probably" in this letter and in some of the responses. Zimmerman was acquitted. We will all see what we wanted to
see in this. For some it will be racism. For some it will be Zimmerman's
wanna be Rambo dreams. For some it will be self defense. For some a
justification for carrying a firearm. For some it will be about the loss of
life. For me...It was all about two stupid people making bad
choices. Another thought though...Which party of the two
had a long history of bad choices?
Interesting letter, interesting perspective. In fact, Zimmerman was wrong every
step along the way, right up to the point that he drew his gun, and he was
arguably wrong then. The jury, properly, only ruled on a single narrow legal
issue, and found reasonable doubt. But Zimmerman saw . . . a pedestrian. He
was wrong to call 9-1-1 in the first place. A black kid walking down the street
should not be profiled as a 'potential threat.' I've heard
it said that Martin 'fit the profile' of the perpetrator of a series
of burglaries. But those burglaries had no eyewitnesses. He 'fit the
profile' in the sense that some folks said 'well, I'll betcha
anything it was a black guy.'
@Ernest,Because Trayvon was the one attacking Zimmerman, as the
evidence proved to the jury.The NRA should be coming out saying how
carrying saved Zimmerman's life.I know I'm glad he was
able to protect himself.That was a swing and miss for ya bud.
procuradorfiscal,It's not assault IF he felt threatened by they guy
following him.IF an unknown dude approached me in a threatening
manner when I'm alone at night... I might react as Martin may have reacted.
We don't know. I'm just saying I can imagine Martin reacting the
way the defense said he reacted (which resulted in Zimmerman defending his
Why hasn't the NRA issued a statement saying that if only Trayvon Martin
was armed with a gun, this tragedy could have been avoided?
Re: "IF I was a fit young man . . . and some guy . . . was creeping me
out... I think I would turn and pound his face a little."And, if
you did so, you'd be committing assault and battery.And if the
guy creeping you out was armed and shot you as you pounded his head on the
sidewalk, he'd be innocent of any offense against you or the law of the
land.Just as was Mr. Zimmerman.It would still be tragic
that you died so unecessarily, but it would have been your own fault.
IF I was a fit young man with martial arts training, with a little bit of a chip
on my shoulder, and knew I was doing nothing wrong.. and some guy I knew I could
take was creeping me out... I think I would turn and pound his face a little.
It's not that hard to imagine happening, is it?
Questions:Why where illegal drugs found in Treyvon's system and
yet the media doesn't talk about it?Zimmerman even told police
"it looks like he's on drugs"He wasWhy
didn't Treyvon call police if he truly felt scared?Why
didn't Treyvon run home(facts proved he had 4 minutes to walk a few dozen
yards home) if he truly was scared?Why did he attack Zimmerman?So many questions indeed.
George Zimmerman is 5'8" and weighed 185 on the day that he was
arrested. Trayvon Martin was 5'11" and he weighed 158 pounds. In
addition, according to testimony given in court, Trayvon Martin was trained in
martial arts. Testimony was given that he had the advantage and that he would
have killed Zimmerman if Zimmerman had not been able to fire his weapon.Martin had four minutes to flee if he felt that he was in danger. He
had a cell phone that he could have used to call 911. He could have run to a
door and asked for help. He could have done a lot of things. We'll never
know why he chose to attack Zimmerman or why he chose to try to beat Zimmerman
senseless - or worse. Second guessing the jury is foolish.
Evidence was heard. Unlike the O. J. Simpson trial, this jury listened to the
evidence and used the facts presented before returning a verdict of not guilty.
This jury was not swayed by Obama or Holder or any other person who publicly
denounced that verdict or who demanded that Zimmerman be found guilty before the
facts were presented.
@Mr. Neider "Zimmerman is a very big guy...."And right there
your whole argument crumbles. Good thing the jury didn't rely on a bunch of
It doesn't matter what the jury decided, the court of public opinion has
pronounced Zimmerman guilty of not being of the same race as Martin. If he were,
we'd have never been made aware of this unfortunate incident.
Why does this story and the back stories keep going day after day after day
after day? The trial we held, a verdict rendered. Move on to more important
topics like why did Mitt Romney lose the election?
If a young fit 17 year old feels threatened because they are being followed by
an out of shape older man, why not just run away? Or if that seems an
impossibility, simply call 911.
Brandt NeiderDo you not believe in the judicial system. This case
has been tried by an impartial jury which was chosen by both the prosecution and
defense. They have weighed the evidence and concluded that George did not
commit a crime. That is what the judicial system is for. It is preposterous
that we are now second-guessing the verdict. This whole thing is a tragedy for
both sides - there are no winners...
Zimmerman is a very big guy? I really don't think 5'7" and
170-180 lbs is a "very big guy". Why are people castigating
Zimmerman and trying to exonerate Martin? There is something screwy about this
whole media circus.