Published: Tuesday, July 16 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
There is no evidence that Zimmerman "confronted" Martin. It is also
not illegal for a neighborhood watch volunteer to profile someone who fits the
description of the people who had burglarized the neighborhood.
There was no evidence presented at trial that Zimmerman started any altercation.
The altercation began when Martin punched Zimmerman in the nose. Frankly if my
neighborhood had neighborhood watch volunteers I'd be sadly disappointed
in them if they did not follow people who acted suspiciously--i.e. looking
around as if they were casing the joint.
Profiling - racial or not - is a problem... it is part of human nature.
People are "profiled" daily on their race, their religion, their weight,
how they dress, the car they drive, this list goes on and on. Sometimes those
profiles are correct... sometimes not. Regardless, it is a problem that
entangles society as a whole.And while victim in this case surely
didn't deserve the "profiling" he received, he is also partially
responsible for creating the environment he found himself. I tell my own kids
that how they present themselves is their responsibility, and that they have to
take some ownership on the message they send to other people about who they
are.For example, my boys have had to wear collared shirts to school
- no t-shirts - because I want them to show the teachers they respect the
environment they are in. They are not a school to play, but to learn. How we
present ourselves tells people what we want them to know about us.My
oldest loves to wear hoodies... but he is white... and it doesn't carry the
stigma with it does if my less complexionly challenged child did... which is not
And why are young black men treated with suspicion? Anyone ever seen the
statistics on race based crime? African Americans make up only 14% of the
population but they commit over 50% of the violent crime. This isn't
racist, this is simple fact. From The Color of Crime web site citing FBI
statistics:"Blacks are seven times more likely than people of
other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit
robbery."Is this racist? Facts are facts.
Stand Your Ground, while discussed by the media had no part in this case (yet).
Unfortunately statistics show that most crime is generated by black young males.
Taken as a whole, including Chicago, where so much so called "black on
black" crime takes place is included in those statistics. 92% of crimes
against blacks is committed by blacks. How is an outsider (ie not black) to
look at those statistics? It only happens in Chicago? Unfortunately again the
question is why do so many young black males feel they need to do crime on any
body, which "sets" people up to be suspicious of black young men? The
poverty answer is incomplete as there are more poor white people in America.
Does the fact that 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers related to
this? Hard questions that are NOT asked because of course you will be called a
racist. But we have people that cannot see the forest because of the trees.
They are "in" the demographic but cannot find a solution but are
unwilling to allow anyone to comment objectively on the problem. Bill Cosby has
commented and has been criticized.
I am disappointed in the Deseret News as part of editorial is based on assumed
facts. Where is the evidence that Zimmerman started the altercation? Yes, he
may have followed Martin to see what he was up to, but there is no evidence that
he initiated the contact. Second, the defense did not rely on the stand your
ground law. That law says you do not have a duty to retreat. The defense
asserted that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and had expert witnesses that
supported Zimmerman's claim. It was a straight self defense claim.Yes it is true that that certain ethnic groups are looked at with more
suspition than others. However, statistically these groups also commit more
crime. (Hispanic males are also viewed as potential threats and one could argue
that the assumptions in the editorial are evidence of that). There real story
here is that we should all avoid altercations because they can have tragic
outcomes. The second, lets stop beating the racism drum. While
society needs to overcome its biases, those groups needs to step up and address
the issues which lead to high crime rates.
"It is proper to confront attitudes based on skin color that influence
judgment."Do you mean the fact that even though 93% of all
murders of blacks are committed by blacks, a tragedy involving a Hispanic male
and a black male is evidence of white racism because it is convenient to the
narrative of the Obama Department of Justice and Al Sharpton?
This case has brought to light the trend to use race as a crutch for personal
issues. If people don't get what they want they blame the government,
their parents, race etc. This is a product of our entitlement society. The
reaction to the Zimmerman case is a modern lynch mob. The court of public
gossip didn't like the verdict so they will get him one way or another no
matter if it's right. This is the mob mentality in full force. No federal
charges will be brought against Zimmerman because there is no evidence to
" In the end there seemed to be plenty of evidence to convict Zimmerman of
poor judgment, but not enough to convict him of a crime."That
statement is what has me puzzled about the outcome of this trial. I know there
has been second guessing across the country about the jury's decision and
the debate will continue for a long time. But as much as my personal feelings
say that justice was not done, the fact is that justice was done. A trial was
held and a jury of his peers decided George Zimmerman was not guilty of the
crimes he was charged with. Just like the OJ Simpson trial, there will be many,
perhaps myself included, who will forever assume the jury got it wrong. But that
is the system we have and it was put into action, just as planned.But considering the quoted statement, even in light of Florida's Stand
Your Ground law, isn't the fact that Zimmerman provoked the incident proof
that he was responsible for the death of Travon Martin? If not second degree
murder, wouldn't manslughter at least be appropriate?
" I'd be sadly disappointed in them if they did not follow people who
acted suspiciously"Ah yes.... walking through his "own"
neighborhood while being black.... very suspicious. Heaven forbid. Perhaps he
should have been wearing a sign saying "I live here - not casing the
place".I think Martin does have responsibility if he was walking
around acting all "gangster"... just like if white kids were walking
around looking all red-knecked. The thing most people in prison have in common
is not the color of their skin, but their economic status and education level.
That factor crosses all ethnic boundaries.But yes, people will be
suspicious of people wearing baggy cloths, or "wife beaters" and lots of
tattoos, or skin headed and wearing mostly black. It is a fact of life. And
our kids need to know what it means when they emulate these "styles".But this would have never happened if Zimmerman had followed the
dispatchers direction to not follow. He had done his job, identified what he
thought was suspicious activity. He should have disengaged as instructed.
Martin should not have confronted him... and Zimmerman should not have been
following him. He was told not to.
What is really a shame is that this trial was so biasedly presented to the
public by the media. From the onset Martin was portrayed as an innocent child.
Only pre and early teen photos were shown depicting him as an innocent.
Eventually one photo showing a darker side surfaced but it was quickly pushed
under the rug. Heaven forbid that anyone would dare make him out to be the
instigator. Whether or not he was an innocent I don't know and to be
factual neither do the rest of us. It was a shame that a young man died. It is
always a shame when violence leads to someone death.With one mother saying
that was her son's voice on that recording and the other saying no it was
her son's. Witnesses such that they were could only say what they think
they saw.Only two people know what happened. One is dead and the other
didn't testify.Get over it America. If you really want to protest
protest an injustice, protest the incessant gang violence that takes many more
innocents from us without even a whimper from the media.
1) Mob rule is bad; cool, calm, judicial review is good.2) Better to let
one guilty man free, than to convict an innocent man.3) Facts, evidence
and proper procedure make a case, not hysterical shouting and rioting!and
finally4) Vote the lazy, ineffective politicians out of office, and get
some one who will write and pass good laws in the seat of Government.Thank
"Lady Justice" wears a blindfold as she holds the scales of justice.
Using race does not serve justice unless race was the factor that caused the
death.Testimony showed that Martin was walking close to houses in an
area that had had criminal activity. Zimmerman was serving on a neighborhood
watch. He was obligated to watch everyone in his neighborhood. He did not
recognize Martin as someone from the neighborhood. Was the "profiling"
generated because Martin was black or was it generated because Martin was
walking somewhere that didn't fit the neighborhood, i.e., he was not using
the sidewalk. Yes, it was raining and some think that Martin was just trying to
stay dry. We'll never know.Where is the outrage when Zimmerman
has been called a "white Latino"? If the race of Martin should have
played no part, then why is it appropriate to use Zimmerman's race, and
then to call him a "white Latino"?Zimmerman was found not
guilty. Everyone involved will live with the memory of that night. Martin
cannot be brought back. Martin was a human being. Zimmerman is a human being.
Leave race out of it.
DN, I believe this is the first time I've been disappointed in one of your
editorials. This case deserves an honest assessment of the facts not political
correctness.Where is the evidence that Zimmerman
"confronted" Martin rather than just observed him? Where is the
evidence he was guilty of "poor judgment"? Zimmerman thought Martin
looked and acted suspiciously and that was probably a reasonable conclusion
under the circumstances. It's reasonable to observe someone and/or call
the cops if you believe someone is up to something, especially if you're
part of neighborhood watch program. The only evidence we have is
that Martin started the altercation and pummeled Zimmerman while on top of him
on the sidewalk. Zimmerman endured the beating for 45 seconds, an eternity in
that kind of situation, before using his weapon.
The Chief Persecutor I mean Prosecutor was indicted by a criminal Grand Jury for
falsifying the Affidavit for the arrest warrant. If there wasn't enough
evidence for an arrest warrant, you are naive to expect a conviction.
Deseret News shouldn't have an editorial like this unless its writer has
legal background. First, stand your ground wasn't an issue in the case at
all. Second, no evidence was presented at trial of racial profiling.
Evidence was presented that Mr. Martin was profiled because of attributes of
recent criminals in the neighborhood, but not his race.Third,
(significant) evidence was presented that Mr. Martin committed a felony assault
against Mr. Zimmerman.Fourth, the case was likely won on account of
Florida's unusually high burden of beyond a reasonable doubt placed upon
the prosecution to rebut defense evidence of self defense. If the case had gone
the other way, an appellate court would have been forced to reverse because the
prosecution did not meet this burden. Zimmerman will likely prevail in a suit
against the SA's office as well for this reason.It is
understandable that the Deseretnews wanted to push a politically correct angle
on this. However, it is irresponsible in light of the black-on-hispanic and
white assaults that have occurred as a result of this verdict already.
A large number of citizens in America appreciate this opinion piece written by
the Deseret News.It shows a perspective on this situation which many
people, for whatever reasons, tend to overlook.As time goes by, documented
legal facts that are no longer controlled and hidden in the Florida courtroom by
George Zimmerman's attorneys, will be published for the public to study and
explore. America will see the truth about George Zimmerman, a man who has had
numerous negative encounters with law enforcement. And........ a man with
extremely questionable skills in telling the truth.
Another lesson to learn: Do not buy Skittles at 7-11 and walk home--if you are
black. As Justice Holmes said, "I do not do justice; I enforce
the law. They are not the same thing." The law prevailed, but not justice.
Exactly! This is what everyone is so upset about. Even though both sides
unnecessarily escalated things resulting in a tragic death, the fact remains
that it feels like this all started because a black teen was considered
suspicious despite just walking through a neighborhood carrying a phone and
convenience store items.
I'm sorry but whoever wrote this article is listening to the wrong
talking-heads on t.v and in our government. Not to mention is disregarding some
very important facts of this case that caused Zimmerman to be suspicious of
Trayvon. First of all, profiling is something we do everyday and is
needed for any intelligent person to make an educated decision on how to act in
situations. The lies that have been told about profiling being wrong is just
plain ridiculous. If a police officer is told that a suspect has white-skinned
male with brown hair and is wearing a black jacket does he go looking for a
brown-skinned female with black hair wearing a dress??? No! The same goes for
Zimmerman who was acting as neighborhood watch. Several burglaries had happened
in his gated community and witnesses had described the suspect as dark-skinned,
wearing a hoodie. Well lo' and behold who does Zimmerman find wandering
the neighborhood late at night? Bingo! Of course he calls the cops and of
course he has to get out of his vehicle to get the address of where Trayvon is
hanging out. Case closed.
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