The nature of the protesters' reaction makes me less sympathetic with their
cause. Did they, including Eric Holder, witness the shooting? Were they in the
courtroom listening to the evidence? Were they in the jury room as the jurists
carefully discussed the evidence and motives? The fact that the decision was
unanimous--not a hung jury gives some weight to Zimmerman's case. If
someone, whatever his race, is pounding your head onto the ground and you feel
genuinely threatened, should you be expected to ponder and contemplate what Eric
Holder's reaction will be before you try to defend yourself?
Not sure what is worse...An AG who is an idiot? Or an AG who does
an idiots bidding?Thoughts??
Wasn't this done last year?"FBI records: agents found no
evidence that Zimmerman was racist"--McClatchy, July 12, 2012.Holder did enough damage by sending (with tax-payer money) the Community
Relation Service of the DOJ department to organize and manage protests and
rallies against GZ. Anything that happens now is purely political.
A federal civil-rights violation charge in this case, although pointless from a
purely legal standpoint, at least would highlight what I've always
said--that no matter how you try to dress a civil-rights charge up in terms of
"differing jurisdictions" and "distinct legal theories,"
it's double jeopardy under any reasonable understanding of that term.
To JSB:The fact is, if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle, as instructed
by the 911 operator, nothing would have happened. Martin would have gone home
and Zimmerman could have continued to drive around the neighborhood, looking for
This saga has been one political nightmare. The liberal media and minority
groups called for Zimmerman to be arrested after police failed to see fault, he
got arrested, they called for him to be charged, he was charged, they called for
a fair trial, and they got one. Zimmerman was acquitted and they still cry for
justice.Too many people don't understand justice, and the
President and US-AG should have stayed out of this rather than embarrass
themselves by looking like idiots by talking against the rule of law.
When the nation's highest prosecutor panders to public opinion, it is
scary. When he panders to a small, vocal portion of public opinion that
represents only a minority view that happens to be consistent with his own
personal makeup, it is very, very scary.
Question: If Trayvon Martin had been white, would we have heard about it?The only person who issued out racial remarks was Martin, who called
Zimmerman a "cracker".End of story. Sad really that race
still taints what is relevant or not.
I would agree with Holder’s statement that the shooting was unnecessary.
According to what came out of trial, if Martin had not attacked Zimmerman he
would not have been shot. Martin chose his action; he could not choose the
consequence. The consequence for his attack was to have been killed by the man
he attacked. If Martin has simply walked away he would have survived the
encounter. Holder’s DoJ has helped make this a racial case
and has interfered with the judicial process. Has Holder shown the same sympathy
for the family of Brian Terry, the U.S. Border Patrol Agent killed due to the
Administration’s Operation Fast and Furious? Holder and Obama has refused
to give provide anyone with enough details to place the blame for this
debacle.Racism is alive and well in this country thanks to the race
industry, liberals and the current administration.
It's time this case is laid to rest. All parties involved have been given
due process of law. A judge and jury have spoken. Regardless of what wrong did
or may have (or may not have) occurred, it is time to move on. Attorney General
Eric Holder is out of place to perpetuate this case longer.
Then what would holders take be on fast and furious?
Let's get real here people... Treyvon was black and Holder is black.
Zimmerman looked white. That's about it people. This is ... let's put
the white guy in prison regardless of evidence or the lack thereof and we will
continue to gin up whatever is needed to get the job done. This country is
burning to the ground and the corruption at the Atourney General's office
is so obvious and ugly you can smell it. Barack Obama said he was going to be
the great 'healer' but instead he has been ...and continues to be the
biggest divider this nation has ever known. I suspect this race hate as fueled
by Obama, Holder and their nasty little helpers (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson,
etc..) is going to only get worse until Barack and his band of radicals are
Of course it was.If Treyvon hadn't attacked Zimmerman he
wouldn't have had to shoot him.
What about GZ's civil rights. He was tried and convicted by the media and
the facts proved otherwise. This man was destroyed. I think he should own a
good portion of NBC and I would love to be on the jury that makes that decision.
I wonder if the shootings in the "Fast and Furious" case were
Never before has this country been more racially divided that it is right now.
Those who are screaming do not want justice, they want revenge. They do not
care is Zimmerman is guilty or not, they want revenge. This is a
tragic story that could have ended differently. Martin should have just
continued with his business instead of seeking Zimmerman out. Zimmerman should
have backed off and maintained distance. There is only one person
on this earth who knows the truth of this situation and that is George
Zimmerman. You can make up all the theory's and explanations but it comes
down to one fact, and that fact is, you don't know the story because you
was not there. Justice has been served as per the law. Stop
I wonder if Holder would have a different stance had it been his head Martin was
bashing into the sidewalk?Race plays no part in this case.No matter the race of Martin, had he been bashing Zimmermans' head into
the ground, he would have gotten the same result.Everyone is making
such case about Zimmerman following Martin, against what the police said. The
police said that as advice to Zimmerman in regards to his safety, so they would
not be liable. Because Zimmerman chose to follow, he did NOTHING to break the
law.Zimmerman may have been a complete jerk to Martin, but nothing
he did required Martin to escalate it to a physical confrontation.
Activists will keep the pot boiling. I'm more concerned now about the
safety of George Zimmerman. The prosecutors had their day in court and lost.
GZ's life is at risk wherever he goes as a free man while a few people and
government fan the flames of division and fear. Will GZ be given protection?What about the mass murders in Chicago over the July 4th weekend by
blacks? Where is the outcry about these and other horrible crimes? This one case
got a verdict of not guilty. The others got away with murder, and unchecked
violence. Where is the real justice?
Trial by media. Why are we surprised at the outrage when the trial by jury in a
courtroom gave a different outcome than expected when this was clearly a trial
Yes it was, much as the trial was unnecessary.
@Cedarcreek320You are speculating about what might have happened.
The 911 operator did not instruct GZ to stay in his truck. She didn't
instruct him to do anything. She just said "Ok, we don't need you to do
that."Former Sanford police chief Bill Lee said Zimmerman told
officials, that between 7:13-7:17 pm, "he had lost sight of Trayvon and was
returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked
by Trayvon."I'm not saying one story is true or false-we
just don't know. What is for certain is that TM was on top of
GZ and beating his head into the cement. TM had no other injuries except the
gunshot wound, indicating GZ did not attack him first. That is probably why the
jury agreed that he acted in self-defense, and why the local authorities
didn't want to press charges in the first place. Terrible
tragedy for all involved.
If TM had not jumpted out of the bushes and slugged GZ in the face and then
smashed his head on the cement several times it also would not have happened.
To blame GZ for the events is just too funnny.
@Cedarcreek320:"The fact is, if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle,
as instructed by the 911 operator, nothing would have happened."Oh yeah... If Zimmerman would have stayed in his vehicle there would have been
another robbery in his neighborhood that night. He got out of his vehicle so he
could identify to the police when they arrived, just where a 'punk'
was."Martin would have gone home and Zimmerman could have
continued to drive around the neighborhood, looking for
'punks.'"I think Zimmernman found a 'punk'
and got his nose bashed in for his effort.@patriot:"Treyvon was black and Holder is black. Zimmerman looked white.
That's about it people."Not quite... Holder's boss is
also black."I suspect this race hate as fueled by Obama, Holder
and their nasty little helpers (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc..) is going to
only get worse until Barack and his band of radicals are gone."Civil War revisited.
And since we know this AG won't enforce existing immigration laws already
on the books we know that he and obama are the go-to people when it comes
trusting what they have to say.This guy has an agenda that
supersedes law and order on a daily basis.Evidently our jury/court
system is only valid when it produces results that coincide with a certain
Holder's comments sound like he has already prepared the "after
investigation" report. Disgusting.
re: USAlover"Question: If Trayvon Martin had been white, would we have
heard about it?"I dunno...ever heard of Adeirean Carey (a black
man) and Marcos Santiago (an unarmed hispanic teen)? Adeirean Carey shot and
killed Marcos Santiago back in 2010 in Florida and claimed self-defense under
the Florida Stand Your Ground law. After a year, the man-slaughter charges were
dropped and it never came to trial.
So the liberal, common sense-hating Attorney General Eric Holder said he thought
that Trayvon Martin's death was "unnecessary", or in other words,
he believes that Zimmerman murdered Martin.Is anyone with a brain
surprised by this?How long, Lord, how long?....(BTW, Mr,
Holder, I'm still waiting for the DoJ to apologize for the murder (yes,
murder) of the U.S. border patrool agent in the Fast & Furious debacle.
I'm also still waiting for the prosecution of the billy-club
toting/swinging Black Panther thugs who were outside the voting polls back in
2008. I assure you, Mr. Holder, justice IS coming....)
There is a real outrage building up over this among those of us who are fed up
with protests simply because someone is black. I have family members who are
black, Hispanic, Phillipino who all love each other. When a youth who is
suspended from school is munching on his snacks, hiding in his hoodie, while
casing out a housing area is looked at suspiciously, why should anyone be
surprised???? Of course this is an innocent youth who possessed burglar tools in
his locker, was arrested for marijuana, had a self proclaimed reputation of
beating up people and a picture on his cell phone with him holding a gun. The
poor victim was shot just because he attacked someone, knocked him to the ground
and continued with a vicious beating.
Re: "Unnecessary shooting"Of course it was unnecessary.If Trayvon had not gotten so incensed at having Mr. Zimmerman discover
his casing of houses to burglarize, or if he had not perpetrated a violent,
unprovoked attack on a "cracker" who was doing nothing illegal, or if he
had not been so deadly violent in that attack, or if he had even broken off his
unprovoked attack just one second sooner -- the cynical, race-baiting,
victimization industry would've had to go elsewhere to find a pseudo-victim
to cynically lionize.But, once Trayvon made his bad choices, he left
George Zimmerman with no choice at all. There's not the slightest doubt
that, had Mr. Zimmerman been unarmed, he, not Trayvon, would be dead today.This whole incident, including the unjust persecution [a career
prosecutor can't honestly call it a prosecution] is, a horrid, unmitigated
tragedy. But blame for the tragedy belongs with Trayvon and the cynical, race
baiting victimization industry -- including the media.Not with
I hear so many comments that say if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle as he
was instructed to do this never would have happened. Zimmerman was NEVER
instructed to stay in his vehicle. This shows that many many people will comment
on rumor and speculation instead of on the facts. Martin had run
home that night after seeing Zimmerman, if he (Martin) had stayed there then
this never would have happened either.
Attorney General Eric Holder calls Trayvon Martin's death an
'unnecessary shooting'’How in the world does he
know? He wasn't there and, as far as anyone knows, he has not looked at all
the evidence the jury considered. Trying to politicize this tragedy, as Holder
appears to be doing, is not going to do anyone any good.
The federal law that allows federal prosecution s for "civil rights
violation" of someone found not guilty in state court, is a law whose time
has come and gone. It is contrary to the principle of "no double
jeopardy," and if there ever was justification for making an exception to
that legal principle, there isn't any more.
Are all those black on black shootings in Chicago "necessary"? If the
Attorney General is going to hold forth on one killing, he needs to hold forth
on them all, from coast to coast.
Is Eric Holder going to have time to get involved in every single similar case?
How nice of him to take such an interest in something he should have left to the
Eric,So were all the deaths from the guns you sold to the Mexican drug
lords, including the death of the US border patrol agent.So are the
hundreds of young urban minorities killed by other young urban minorities; you
say NOTHING about them, because you cannot make political hay from them. Never
let a good crisis go to waste!
Since the FBI already investigated this case and found no evidence, it would be
an absolute travesty of justice (department) to pursue further charges.
However, I'm sure that Obama and Holder are feeling lots of pressure not to
Uncle Tom on this one.I hope Mr. Zimmerman can get a ruthless law
firm to go after NBC News for defamation with that doctored 911 tape that made
it sound like Zimmerman was profiling because of race. I'd like to finally
see a major news outlet, especially NBC, who have done this kind of stuff
before, get what they deserve, namely, a big financial judgement against them
for doctoring the news to meet a political agenda.
Police face life and death situations every day. I would like to know some
background history of Martin. Attacking policemen is happening much too often.
They have to make critical decisions all the time.
open up an investigation on OJ
Holder following the law. What an Oxymoron. I'm pretty sure that if it
was Holder on the ground getting his head bashed into the concrete by a teenager
he'd sing a different tune.
The racial retribution sought following this trial seems fairly similar to the
Paula Deen N-word usage.If anyone other than black uses the N-word,
they must be destroyed.If anyone other than black shoots a black
person, they must be destroyed.
I stale don't see why it was in the news.
Guns to Mexican cartels have caused unnecessary shootings.F-16
fighter jets, and tanks to Egypt will cause unnecessary shootings.Can Holder make up his mind about this?
Since the Trayvon killing, more then 11,000 blacks have been killed by other
blacks.-USA Today Newspaper.We all know, if Zimmerman had been
black, it wouldn't be this big of a news event.The real racism
come from the media, and some political leaders.It's time, we
the people of America, stop being manipulated by the press.
The shooting was very necessary. That people say it wasn't reminds me of
the emperors new clothes. He had to shoot or he would be a vegetable or dead.
He was being hit in the face with a broken nose, heIs head was being
slammed into a sidewalk.The power of group think is extraordinary.