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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 17, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    Since the Trayvon killing, more then 11,000 blacks have been killed by other blacks.-USA Today Newspaper.

    We all know, if Zimmerman had been black, it wouldn't be this big of a news event.

    The real racism come from the media, and some political leaders.

    It's time, we the people of America, stop being manipulated by the press.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 17, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    Where were these protesters after the OJ trial?

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    July 16, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    PTM,

    Wow, that's a lot of speculation and some outdated information.

    That juror isn't going to write a book. Being sequestered, she wasn't aware of the high emotions involved with the case.

    Mistakes were made on both sides. But there was no crime by either man until TM threw the first punch. Former Sanford police chief Bill Lee said GZ told officials, that between 7:13-7:17 pm, "he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon."

    How do you know TM saw GZ's loaded weapon? Why would he attack him instead of calling the police? How do you positively know anything that you wrote about? While GZ had a broken nose and his head bashed in, the only injury suffered by TM was the gunshot wound, indicating that GZ was defending himself.

    As the jurors are starting to talk, they say a couple of things made it self defense and not murder.
    1. TM physically attacked GZ first.
    2. GZ, not TM, called the police.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    July 16, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    PTM

    In answer to your question. RUN. And consider all of the evidence and bad choices made by Zimmerman you want, it still does not add up to murder.

  • PTM ,
    July 15, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    @BraveSirRobin

    Let's talk about George Zimmerman and what he could have done to avoid killing an innocent young man. Maybe then you'll see Zimmerman is culpable. George is the provocateur. There is no story without George's blunders. He had two chances not to escalate events. He was told there wasn't a need to continue following Trayvon, had he stopped, Trayvon would be alive. He didn't need to leave his car (armed with a loaded weapon). Working neighborhood watch doesn't give you authority to act as a Police Officer. But he didn't control himself, and Trayvon is dead. It is reasonable to assume that Trayvon was unsettled, based on (to paraphrase) the 'creepy white dude' observation. What would you do if you noticed a car following you, then the driver gets out with a loaded weapon? Try and defend yourself or run.? Either is legal. And by the way, a juror is going to write a book, with help from her lawyer husband; so says her agent. Three days after the verdict and a juror is writing a book; very unsettling. Where was her mind during the trial? Apparently not on the evidence.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 15, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman brought something to the forefront of America's population.
    What are those who do not accept tolerance and diversity going to do when they finally realize the facts?
    America demographics and population are changing.
    People with a variety of skin color and cultures are coming to the United States of America from other places to live and to stay here. These folks are having more children than the "traditionally white population".
    Many of the older caucasian population, and those raised to believe a separatist type philosophy, are trying so desperately to hang the past and stop the influx of newcomers.
    Those who are having such difficulty accepting the reality of change appear locked in their prejudices with no where to go.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    July 15, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    @atl134

    You make good points in your discussion but I did live in New York and experienced racism from another view, against me. Ever live in a community where you were the minority? I never treated anyone differently because of their color of skin and that is the hope we could all live for.

    The truth about this case should never have been about race. I do not condone what Zimmerman did, I think it is horrible for anyone to take another’s life but let's accept this for what it was a tragedy that could have been avoided. The law in Florida is what needs to change because it gave Zimmerman the right to react in the way he did and since you or I were never there, how do we know the truth? How do we know it wasn't self defense?

    I agree with what "2 bits" posted. If this was a black man killing a black man, there would be no discussions, no protests, just another tragedy. Let's look at all the tragedies as the same and try to change something about it, which is what I would like to see.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    July 15, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    "Fifty-eight years and nothing has changed".

    I would beg to differ with that statement. African-Americans are in a much better position now than in 1955. Our President is African-American. How is that so easy to overlook?

    This trial was conducted in the media last year. That is the unfortunate thing; so many alleged "facts" were put out there and opinions were formed within 24 hours of the shooting.

    I would rather have a Justice System that sets 10 guilty men free and one that imprisons even one innocent man.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    atl134,

    Racism exists. Nobody's saying it doesn't. But he was on trial for MURDER (not RACISM). So stop trying to make this about "Racism". IT'S NOT!

    IF he was trial for racism... that would be a different thing altogether, but he wasn't. This trial was not about finding him guilty of racism.

    And by the way... what's the penalty or "racism"?? Because if there is one... then Al Sharpton and others are just as guilty as Zimmerman.

    --------

    Obviously racism exists. And you COULD say that we are ALL "GUILTY" of Racism (depending on how you define it). If "Racism" means ANY prejudice or per-conceived notions about any race... then there isn't a single human being on this earth that isn't "Racist" (including Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, leaders of the Black Panthers, Zimmerman, Trayvon, and you and me).

    Fact is.. EVERY human has biases they have acquired over a lifetime of experience and exposure to media, people, books, friends, movies, etc. It's literally impossible to have absolutely no bias based on your life experience. So in a way we are ALL guilty of "Racism".

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    @Duh
    "Anything else about this case involving the DOJ or any other organization is just a way to ensure that racism never dies."

    Studies show that black and white Americans use illegal drugs at roughly the same rates but incarceration rates are much higher for black rather than white people. The vast majority of stop and frisk targets are racial minorities. A white person killing a black person is found to be "justifiable" (justifiable would be a verdict like the Zimmerman case though of course he's hispanic so I'm not trying to imply he's part of these stats) 4x more often than white on white or black on black killings (and 8x more often than black on white killings). A job application with a "black-sounding" name is much less likely to get a follow up interview than an application with similar credentials and a "white-sounding" name.

    Pointing out racism exists is not keeping racism from dying... the fact that racism still exists is what keeps it from dying. Your (and my) white privilege is what makes it so easy for us to not see racism because we generally don't ever experience it.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    @Pipes
    "As opposed to the people that would let the legal system reach a verdict by a jury of his peers."

    I've seen plenty of comments on these boards and elsewhere to the tune of "hopefully the jury won't be bullied by political pressure" as if the only way they could've come to a guilty verdict is illegitimately. They sure weren't waiting either.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 15, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    @PTM

    So you admit you're "not a lawyer, don't know Florida law", yet you unabashedly state that Zimmerman is "guilty of something" and "the jury got it wrong." Facepalm.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    casual observer has a good point. "Where is the outrage over black teenagers killed by blacks in Chicago"? Where are the marches, where are the protests, where is the anguish? Why are black people not afraid to walk the streets of Chicago (instead of being afraid to walk the streets of Sanford Fl)?

    Is is OK for black teenagers to kill black teenagers? Is it only an issue when it involves a white person?

    Remember... Zimmerman was found "Not Guilty".

    This is only about "Race" IF you make it about race. It doesn't have to be a racial crisis.

    Our focus should be on denouncing ALL violence (not just this ONE CASE). We should have the same level of anger for ANY death. Not just ones we THINK had an element of racism in them.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    This is NOT Jim Crow again. This is NOT 1963 again. This is NOT the racial issue some people are trying to make it into.

    This IS a tragedy. This IS a lost life. This IS a test of our justice system and our nation's belief in the rule-of-law and the concept of "Innocent until PROVEN guilty".

    When the Constitutionally required trial by a jury of his peers is over... it's OVER.

    The mob should NOT place themselvs and their prejudices above the rule-of-law and the Constitution. We have trials for a reason. They asked for an arrest and a trial... they got what they wanted. It seems like some people would be just as happy ignoring the verdict and turning it over to a lynch-mob.

    The Jury has spoken. Every person in this country (regardless of race) is "Innocent" until PROVEN guilty. He was not proven guilty.... so he is innocent (regardless of Sharpton's logic that "Just because he wasn't proven guilty doesn't mean he was innocent"). As a matter of legal fact Mr Sharpotn... that's EXACGTLY what it means!

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    July 15, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    If this had been an African American who was found "not guilty" can anyone truly tell me there would have been protests like this where even the American Flag was burned? This country will never beat racism because some people will make everything about race and never look at it as a man killing another man. I was not there, I did not witness the incident and like everyone else who was not there, I can only look at the evidence provided. By the standards of the law, the evidence was not sufficient to send this man to prison. Even I would have been hard pressed to find him guilty. Anything else about this case involving the DOJ or any other organization is just a way to ensure that racism never dies.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    Where is the outrage over black teenagers killed by blacks in Chicago and other urban areas?

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    July 15, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    Yes, the system is biased. In order to be fair, the system would have had to hear from Trayvon testifying on his own behalf about what happened and how he felt his life was in danger.

    The bias is that the dead are not allowed to testify in their own defense.

    The result: a vigilante gets away with murder... so far.

  • PTM ,
    July 14, 2013 11:50 p.m.

    George Zimmerman is responsible for the death of Trayvon Martin, no question. Also not in question, George Zimmerman created the situation resulting in the death of Trayvon Martin. Walking back to your Father's home, not a crime. Neither is wearing a sweatshirt with a hood. George had opportunities to stand-down, let the police do their job; he didn't, was told to stand down, but continued to pursue Trayvon. George must have 'forgotten' the purpose of a neighborhood watch. Keyword 'WATCH '. If Trayvon feared the man following him, he had every right to do so because George killed him. If followed you can standup and defend yourself from a person with unknown intentions, or flee. If anyone was defending themselves it was Trayvon. Fleeing a better choice, but standing up and defending yourself is not a crime. George killed Trayvon, you may not think George is guilty of a crime, but he is responsible, he pulled the trigger. Not a lawyer, don't know Florida law, but with opportunities to stop, and you don't, and someone dies, you are guilty of something. And it is much. much more that egregious stupidity. The jury got it wrong.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    July 14, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    This was a case that should have never reached the courts. The prosecutor in this case along with the county attorney were a disgrace. They knew they had no case but chose to go ahead anyway. What a joke.
    This was a tragedy that has turned into a travesty, and the county attorneys office in this Florida county should be ashamed of their conduct.

    I feel tremendous sadness for the Martin family. I also feel for George Zimmermen and his family. THis was so avoidable.

    Most people who have been involved in the violent protests just don't know all of the facts. The jury has spoken. George Z. is not guilty. We all need to live with it.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    July 14, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    Moral of the story. If you decide to kick someone's behind, make sure you know whether or not they are packing heat

  • Todd_i Midway, UT
    July 14, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    "58 years and nothing has changed" except 1,000,000s of black college graduates, scores of black business (wo)men, 1,000s of black Chief of Police, 100s of black mayors, black governors, black representatives and senators, two black Secretaries of State, black Supreme Court Justices, and a black president.

    There is still room for more race tolerance, but, it is probably time for the NAACP to focus on 'Advancement' as there name states. This case seems to have been more of an election year flame-up of old hatred for political gain than a justified outrage. It is much bigger than it deserved to be.

  • Civil Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    There are a great many in our country who benefit by fanning the flames of racism, ironic in a day when much of the county is now related by blood or marriage to people of different races, when the President of the United States is mostly African-American, when Oprah Winfrey, a black woman, is one of the richest and most admired people in America. The fences of years gone by have been torn down, and but a few fence-posts remain, propped up by those cry of demons and then charge for the exorcism.

    I for one am tired of it.

    Yes, justice can be blind at times, but there is opportunity for everyone in this country. Do good, work hard, look for and associate with those who will be your allies, move on from the negative, be it negative attitudes (no matter their position, titles, robes, etc), negative behaviors (such as drugs, alcohol, etc.) or the negative thoughts in your own mind. Move toward the positive, even if it is new and/or uncomfortable.

  • shazaam SPRINGVILLE, UT
    July 14, 2013 8:30 p.m.

    Riotes are now Rallies.

    Really

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    July 14, 2013 7:30 p.m.

    The death of TM and shooting by GZ is clearly tragic in every sense but for the so called "civil rights" movement to compare this with Emmitt Till or Medgar Evers is outrageous.

    Is continued progress needed on racial issues? Absolutely! However, don't discredit or defame the true civil rights heroes with disingenuous efforts to stir up emotions.

    A cause looking for a martyr is a dangerous proposition.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    July 14, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    Chris, Jim, etc.:
    I'm not sure I can recall anyone being quite so gleeful over a case of a fatal shooting, especially on the side of the shooter, but I guess I should let it go.

    My advice to your "counter-protest" is: let it go. To be effective, a protest can and perhaps should carry the chance of offending someone. If protests are always tepid and mild, they might be too easily ignored.

    You haven't ignored the protests, and that's fine. But we'll make new flags to replace the ones that were burned, and perhaps we'll turn up a case in which the shooter does a little dance over the body of the one shot. And maybe he'll say that the shooting was to protect the country or something silly like that That might be what it takes to get a conviction. But for now, I'm....letting it go.

  • mba latino Herriman, UT
    July 14, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    I am also frustrated with the media continually stating that Martin was an unarmed Child was murdered. It makes it sound as if the teenager didnt assault anybody. I dont understand how educated people on TV can be so biased. When I first heard the story I thought, how can this story be correct? How could this gun down a kid. I listened to the whole story objectively. There was more proof that this was a case of self defense rather than a guy who wanted to gun down some black teenager just for being in his neighborhood. Why is it so hard to believe in this day and age where young people are so disrespectful, hence the racial remarks by Treyvon. Why can't they see both sides of this and realize maybe this guy was assaulted. To many facts not known.
    Could it have been avoided if he stayed in his truck? Yes. Either way It is not illegal to follow someone or ask them what they are up to. I think people need to be more objective and less judgmental. Let the law decide and respect it. In a case like this nobody will win either way.

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    July 14, 2013 6:41 p.m.

    We do not know the full circumstances of this tragedy. Only what we have heard from the media. What sickens me is that people are prepared to burn the flag over such issues and use it as an excuse to vandalize property. Preachers from all denominations such preach forgiveness not intolerance or hatred. The Amish taught us all a good lesson of tolerance when their milkman murdered their loved ones a few years back. I would have to ask if Zimmerman had allegedly kill another white man, would the result have been different. That is would there be rioting in the streets.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    July 14, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    Re: Chris B

    Thanks for being the picture perfect example of the readership I highlighted in my comment. Always a pleasure!

  • Middle of the Road Home Town USA, UT
    July 14, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    The Martin Family needs to move on and get over their intent to file a civil lawsuit. Who every heard of filing a civil suit when someone has been acquitted of any crime and declared the case as Self Defense. Had the roles been reversed Trayvon could have been tried as an adult.
    Trayvon was the aggressor and the jury felt he was acting to save his own life; it is unfortunate that this resulted in a death. But, it is what it is. So many strikes against Zimmerman with the trumped up claims after the former police chief even got fired because he saw no need to file any charges. The manipulation to try a case against Zimmerman was not warranted.

    It needs to be left at that. No amount of money nor any further legal action will succeed and is pointless. The DOJ promoted agitating this case into a race related or hate crime, but it was neither.

  • mba latino Herriman, UT
    July 14, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    I understand the feeling that people have of injustice, but the facts show that Mr. Zimmerman had full rights to protect himself even if he followed the kid. He did not break any laws by following a young man that looked out of place. I would hope my neighbors would look out for me and my family if they noticed something out of place.
    I also think that you shouldn't quote facts about this case that you don't know about. The "police" didn't tell him not to get out of his vehicle. This is something the media has allowed to be misunderstood. They asked him which direction he was going and asked for an address. He was already out of his car and "looking for an address sign", when the DISPATCHER told him not to follow him and he said "OK". Do I believe he stopped following him? No, but that doesn't mean a young athletic teenager can assault someone if they are feeling like they are being followed. He had 4 minutes to go home. The Media made it sound like he was a 10 or 12 year old scared little boy. Treyvons past proves he was not.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    Claudio,

    Not a single flag woul have burned by Zimmerman supporters if he had been convicted

    I am sorry if the truth does not support what liberals wants us to believe about peaceful good Americans supporting a conviction

    We see the character of these people supporting a conviction.

    And Zimmerman gets DAILY death threats from more of those people.

    Burning American flags

    I am sickened to call these people Americans.

    And hooray for Zimmerman!

    The truth prevails!

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    July 14, 2013 6:23 p.m.

    @ Pipes

    Salt Lake City, UT

    "@atl134
    "As opposed to the people that would let the legal system reach a verdict by a jury of his peers."

    My Stake President was a lawyer in my native country. I always remember his derisive words about the American Justice system. "A jury of his peers" where a bunch of people with no training in the law, used to his personal ideas and biases attempting to judge impartially. My stake President said that the lawyer who was able to present the best show in court would usually win the vote of the jury. I see another confirmation of his words.

    Yesterday's verdict was legal. However, the question about justice remains unanswered.

    No Fit in SG, I wrote something similar to your comment before but our holy brothers in DN considered inappropriate. I'm glad they published your comment.

    My comment also included that Zimmerman had a gun while Trayvon had Skittles and Ice tea, may be that threw it over the top.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    July 14, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    Absolutely don't understand why my comment was censored, so here it is again:

    The protests and demonstrations are overwhelmingly non-violent and peaceful. But the DN, perhaps in an attempt to assuage the desires of the extremist element of its readership, chose to select a picture of a violent incident.

    This is not journalism.

    Once again, some are claiming that protesting is pointless and a poor decision. Clearly, the Founders of this country thought otherwise as they selected to highlight that right in an amendment to the Constitution, even giving it the honor of being in the first amendment. Just because you disagree with someone's decision to protest, boycott, etc. or you think it a waste of time does not mean that it is. They, like all of us, have the right to protest. No one has the right to do so violently. The overwhelming majority of people are not, but the DN appears to be attempting to persuade us otherwise.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    July 14, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    @ johnny moser - I don't think riots help out much (unless a revolutionary war or a civil war could be considered a riot). But peaceable protests have accomplished a lot of things. The big peaceful protests of those with black skin helped make important movements forward with the Civil Rights Laws in the 60s.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    July 14, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    This should be a lesson to all. When you throw a punch it can kill the person being hit or you might be facing someone with a gun...who has every right to protect themselves. I have no idea what happened that night but this much is clear the media and the tired old PC crowd tried and convicted a man before the trial and now that same mainstream media is working to rile up as many as possible.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    @Mark B

    Double jeopardy is being tried twice criminally for the same act. Martin's family is free to sue Zimmerman and I would bet they do. I hw problen is that none of us knows exactly what happened. The jury heard the evidence and found "not guilty." Case closed. What is concerning is the apparent view of many to keep trying him until they get a conviction. That is exactly what the Constitution sought to prevent.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 14, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    Civil and criminal are separate deals so there is no double jeopardy. Also, the burden of proof is much less. It is the preponderance of the evidence vs. beyond a reasonable doubt. In the former, all the jury would have to believe is that George Zimmerman is responsible for Trayvon Martin's death which could be a logical conclusion based on Zimmerman not following the request of the 911 operator. Martin's family would win a monetary settlement rather than Zimmerman facing incarceration.

    In regards to criminal, Zimmerman could be charged criminally by the feds for violating Martin's Civil Rights. These laws came about because in the past, most especially in the South, Whites were often found not guilty of crimes against Blacks though it was obvious the parties were guilty. I am not saying this is the particular case here but it is an option still left to pursue by the government.

  • bill in af American Fork, UT
    July 14, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    Under our Constitution, trial by jury is the right we all have whether you like the results or not. The jury heard all the evidence. We did not. The prosecution did their job as well as the defense. Those who use violence to protest are out of line and do not respect the constitutional rights given to all of us. It became a race issue the minute the prosecution began referring to Zimmerman as a half hispanic half white. We don't refer to Obama as a half black half white president. By the way, President Obama was way out of line when he interjected positive comments about Martin while the trial was underway. We will never rid the country of racism when government leaders or court officials use race as the excuse for any actions. We need to look at all of us a just equal citizens under the same constitutional protections and not pass judgment without all the facts.

  • Johnny Moser Thayne, WY
    July 14, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    Why can't we just all get along? I grew up in the West and have lived in the South, race relations are so much more complicated than most of us realize. The problem I see with this verdict is that the case was so polarized before it was held by the media and political and quasi-religious figures that the current events were inevitable.

    Sad that the pulpits and preachers are encouraging his kind of demonstration. There is no good to come from riots and protests. The polarization deepens, the hatred is fostered, and race relations inch closer and closer to a schism that will spark events no one wants.

    The religionists need to stand up for the what they teach, and if what they teach is hate and division then we need to do something about that. This case was a failure from the beginning, it was and is political, the fact that the jury was able to make a decision at all is amazing.

    I am sure that the jury are now totally amazed at the consternation the country is experiencing because of their decision. They made the decision based on the law and evidence.

  • BH Tremonton, UT
    July 14, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    Cedarcreek320 needs to keep in mind that the jury had the option of convicting Zimmerman of a lesser charge, of Manslaughter. Clearly, they felt there was insufficient evidence, even for that.

    The anger in this country over the lack of conviction, demonstrates a lynch mob mentality. People say that, when it comes to civil rights, our country has not progressed enough. Perhaps so. But it is also clear that we have not progressed enough in civility.

    It is so disheartening to see how there seems to be a constant threat in our country, of violence if convictions do not go the way they want. First it was the 1992 LA riots, when police officers were not convicted of beating a black during an arrest. Perhaps the jury was wrong. But the riot only hurt the predominantly black community in LA. then there was celebrations in the street when OJ got off for murdering his white ex-wife. Now more riots when someone is not convicted of killing a black.

    Seems like the intent is conviction by intimidation. Hope it never works. Or, maybe it did, in the case of OJ.

  • bigv56 Cottonwood, CA
    July 14, 2013 4:10 p.m.

    You don't know what happened, neither does anyone else. Only 2 people there. The media has been heavily invested in zimmerman's guilt since it happened. Zimmerman is not whie, so why make it a black white thing. The press has also portrayed tray on Martin as a prom going beaver cleaver, where he seems to bhave started on the road to punk hood. His death is unfortunate but nobody knows what happened that night so don't rail on the system because you don't like the verdict.

  • Mickey Kovars Tampa, FL
    July 14, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Further evidence of how corrupt so-called progressivism has become. People involved in these demonstrations are neither liberal or progressive, as those terms are properly understood. They are totalitarians, who prefer Stalinist show trials designed to confirm ideological positions. In their view, Zimmerman should have openly confessed his sins in court, been duly convicted, and would now be on a long train trip to the Gulag -- if not already executed.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    a lot of people didn't like the outcome of the oj simpson trial either

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    July 14, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    Cedarcreek320,

    I agree with you. He was guilty of manslaughter.

    And the state of Florida is guilty for a ridiculous law that seems to tell gun owners to stand their ground and blaze away, regardless of the ramifications for all others. We are our "brother's keeper."

    The community is guilty for allowing crime and violence to escalate in the area. Only a selfish and prideful people would allow this to happen.

    MANY people have this young man's blood on their hands. Unfortunately, they will never see the inside of a courtroom.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    July 14, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    Love the juxtaposition of the headline of the article "Rallies against Zimmerman" with the picture of a guy throwing a garbage can through the window.

  • fishin sandy, UT
    July 14, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    @ the rock
    your comment on double jeopardy is wrong... better research your DJ statute before making such comments. I agree with everything JSB said. We weren't there and we don't know all the facts like the jury did. Its a tragedy that a young man lost his life and I think we all can learn from this incident how to avoid this kind of stuff happening to ourselves. Civil conversation might be a good place to start:)

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 14, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    Perhaps people just DO NOT get it.
    Had George Zimmerman followed the simple instructions given to him in his direct conversation with the Sanford Police....
    Those following the trial HEARD the phone conversation of Sanford Police telling George Zimmerman, "Do not get out of you car, and do not follow this individual".
    Obviously, this is a major factor in the public's feeling of frustration and injustice.
    A simple order given to George Zimmerman by the POLICE.....
    Angry, frustrated Americans could be at home today worrying about something else.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    July 14, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    I wonder if Rock thought it was "a clear violation of double jeopardy clause" when OJ was hauled back into court on a civil suit. To me, this seems the same.

  • Cedarcreek320 Star Valley Ranch, WY
    July 14, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    Zimmerman may not be guilty of 2nd degree murder, but he is certainly responsible for the death of Martin. Had he followed the directions of the 911 operator and stayed in his vehicle, the whole thing would have never happened.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    Burning the American flag because they don't like the outcome of our court of law?

    Speaks volumes about the character of the people who wanted a conviction

    There would have been NO similar actions by Zimmerman supporters if there was a conviction.

    I am ashamed to call these these people fellow Americans from their actions

    Disgraceful

  • JLFuller Boise, ID
    July 14, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    The so called protesters are the same kind of people who show up for every anti-everything event. And yet the media fails to report that. No wonder readers are dumping newspapers and traditional outlets in favor of new electronic sources of information. Maybe that is why the professionalism is gone out of "journalism", what ever that is these days. Real reporting is a lost art. Can you tell the difference between the check-stand rags and traditional (formerly known as legitimate news) media? Even NBC and CNN have stories about UFOs and space aliens which fit in quite well with the rest of what they produce.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    July 14, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    How many of the people who are protesting actually witnessed the altercation? How do they "know" there has been an injustice? Do they "know" how Zimmerman actually felt at the time? The jury know as much as anybody about what happened and they did not find Zimmerman guilty. It wasn't a hung jury. If Zimmerman is innocent, would you want him to spend years in prison for protecting himself?

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    July 14, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    This is political, pure and simple.
    The left uses race to bludgeon conservatives. The left can't allow racism to die. They need that club. Facts don't matter to these guys. Betcha 10 to 1 that the feds go after GZ on civil rights charges, a clear violation of the double jeopardy clause of the constitution.

    If race were not an issue with this case or if the races of the parties were reversed we would have never heard of this case.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    @atl134
    As opposed to the people that would let the legal system reach a verdict by a jury of his peers.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    @Pipes
    As opposed to the people who thought there wouldn't be justice unless Zimmermann were found innocent?

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    July 14, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    However, I would like to add that obviously not everyone thinks that violence is the answer. Like the mentioned Rev. Jacqueline Lewis, who "wearing a pink hoodie, urged peace and told her congregation that Martin Luther King Jr. "would have wanted us to conduct ourselves on the highest plane of dignity."

    Amen to that.

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    July 14, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    @ Pipes:

    They wanted a lynching...which is ironic, considering the inhumanity that many blacks themselves suffered at the hands of vigilante justice.

    This also exemplifies the ramifications that all gunowners need to realize, because should they ever use their gun, this is a likely result, defensible or not (being a gunowner myself, I know that I certainly have).

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    The only thing these people would have considered justice is if Zimmerman was convicted, guilty or not. In their minds, the trial was over before it even began.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    July 14, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    I can only speak for myself, but I've been in several situations in my life where there were no clear lines of right vs wrong! Unfortunately our Judicial system requires such clarity!

    I'm certain that GZ and TM were both feeling justified at the start of this event that ended horribly wrong for both...Travon more than George. But I can't get it through my brain that GZ set out to kill or TM set out to beat...

    As I said earlier, things in my life have started out small and escalated out of control, several times. I always spoke of my sure innocents but knew in my heart I was somewhere close to 50% to blame for the situation.

    I'd bet money this is the case here...black and white is rarely attainable except in a court system...that is flawed for cases like this.

    I think...