EDM,you blame the repubs, those who had nothing to do with it, because you
are unwilling to admit the the dems made a horrible mistake - ALL BY
THEMSELVES!blaming Obamacare on repubs is like blaming a crime on
the victim.repubs tried putting forth ideas - they were ignored.
they did NOT, as you and MSNBC keep repeating, refuse to cooperate. They worked
to prevent the current Obamacare catastrophe from happening, but they failed in
that effort. But they DID put forth ideas and tried to work with the dems.
remember, BO told them could come along for the ride, but they had to ride in
the back. nancy and harry would not give them the time of day.again, to blame Obamacare on those how opposed it is like blaming the sailors
aboard the Arizona, Utah, and Oklahoma for the attack on Pearl Harbor.How much more twisted can you get in the logic you need to justify defending
If the Republicans in the House don't want government involvement in health
care then let us hope they will refuse to fund it.
@Eric Samuelsen "What matters is that Republicans in the Senate didn't
filibuster it."Look at the numbers I posted earlier. 58 + 2 =
60. It was mathematically impossible for the Republicans to filibuster Obamacare
at the time that it passed the Senate."But it was initially
proposed by Republican governor Mitt Romney in Massachusetts."The Massachusetts law had already been discredited when Obamacare was under
consideration. It was an idea weighed in the balance of a state
"laboratory" and found wanting.Here's why you are so
desperate to tie it to the opposing party: Obamacare has proven completely
unworkable. The president is admitting it by his own actions. And, like the
Blamer-in-Chief, you are now unwilling to have your party take responsibility
for the legislation it championed. However, the voting record is there for
everyone to see. We all know who voted for it, and who didn't.Obamacare is a Democrat plan -- a highly-visible failure of Big Government.
"The Office of Price Administration (OPA) was established within the Office
for Emergency Management of the United States government by Executive Order 8875
on August 28, 1941. The functions of the OPA were originally to control money
(price controls) and rents after the outbreak of World War II."
(Wikipedia)FDR signed the executive order that froze wages.
Employers began to offer "benefits", including health insurance, to keep
valued employees. Employer supplied health insurance is a direct result of
FDR's Executive Order. Now government thinks that it has the right to tell
employers to pay "benefits" in lieu of wages. No employee is going to
be paid more than he is worth. He can take the entire amount owed to him and
pay for those "benefits" that he wants, or he can let the "human
resource" department handle those things for him. Goverment mandated
insurance comes out of his wages. Government mandated Social Security comes out
of his wages, both his "part" and his employer's "matching
contribution". His vaction time and sick leave all come out of his wages.
Employer sponsered education comes out of his wages. He is paid a wage based on
his value to the company.
Lost in DC, I blame the Republicans for failing to seize the moment.
When the entire country was behind serious health care reform, the Republicans
refused to cooperate with Dems because they would rather watch it all burn than
see the Dems get any credit for leadership. We could have had something great.
It appears to me that the Deseret News is against Obama care.Do they
endorse anything different other than the current situation?Some
people say the Republican Party is the party of No with out an alternative. Is this the case?
Eric,What we settled for was this: a market-oriented Republican
solution.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAOh, please stop! My sides are
aching.Right, it got – how many repub votes?Repub
solution – riiiight.And yes, they DID filibuster, but one RINO
defected. Please stop telling untruths – you are better than that.Atl134Yeah, because BO’s economic results have been so
miserable – Obamacare had NOTHING to do with it.EDM,Pretty twisted conclusion, blaming Obamacare on those who did NOT vote for
it.Maverick,Repubs saw how it operated in MA and learned from
it. Dems insist on repeating mistakes.More than tort reform, but I guess
MSNBC didn’t tell you that, so you remain yet ignorant.Marxist, FDR had NOTHING to do with any laws passed during WWII??
Re: Mike Richards "Blame FDR to starting that misconception. He froze
wages. Employers created "benefits" to retain valued employees."
Subject to check but I believe the OPA was the source of the wage freeze during
Nate,Irrelevant. Of course Republicans voted against it; it was an
important piece of legislation proposed by President Obama. What matters is that
Republicans in the Senate didn't filibuster it.But it was initially
proposed by Republican governor Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. And it's a
kind of health care reform that does not destroy 'private health insurance
company' as a concept. It included market incentives, through the
exchanges. And it did, and does, some important good things. Like keep
kids on their parents' insurance longer. It does not allow insurance
company to deny coverage, or cut you off if you become expensive. And it makes
insurance coverage possible for everyone. It's a good bill, a B, B
plus kind of bill. And when it's implemented, watch. It will be plenty
This editorial is nothing more than a rehash of the Republican position.Lots of complaints, while offering absolutely no alternative.
Nate:You forgot about the "upheld by the Supreme Court"
part.I fully expect Republicans to be opposed to it, and we'll
see this House of Representatives vote to repeal it another couple of dozen
times, at least, along with failing to support Immigration Reform, and other
issues important to the growing demographic that makes Republican consultants
cringe.Yell louder, stomp your feet harder, offend as many people as
you can. Please, don't stop.
Funny how Obamacare was fine for repubs like Orrin Hatch and the Heritage
Foundation in the 90s. Now suddenly, it's bad because a Democrat endorsed
it.So what's the repub solution? Tort reform (something already
included in Obamacare)? Ohhh yeah... That'll solve everything... The GOP's solution is like trying to drain the Pacific Ocean with an 8 oz
glass. Lets just join the rest of the industrialized world and get a
single payer system already. You know this is coming, repubs. Might as well get
it over with rather than drag this out kicking and screaming like a bunch of 3
@Eric Samuelsen "Republican solution"Senate vote: 58
Democrats and 2 Independents in favor, 0 Republicans.House vote: 219
Democrats in favor, 0 Republicans.Own it.
Whenever I read a boo-hoo opinion like this one I have to cringe. When Obama was
elected to his first term, 100% of Americans agreed that health care reform was
absolutely necessary. Not one person in these United States would have said that
run-away health care costs were just fine and dandy. But Almight Competition was
thrown out of the room - by Republicans, no less. Why? Because the proposed
government-run system that would have competed with private health insurerers
was the Democrats' idea. So much for principles and ideals. Republicans
have no one to blame but themselves, because putting an "R" on it is
always more important than higher things.
To Alt 134:Yeah, its more affordable to those who get the subsidies,
and more unaffordable to everyone else. Nice argument. In the end, ObamaCare
is a fiasco.
Health care costs have increaed at the slowest rate in half a century the past
three years. okay so in fairness a lot of that was due to the recession and a
lot of Obamacare hasn't gone into effect yet. I have to think though that
the millions getting expanded medicaid would find it more affordable. All those
students like myself who can stay on their parents plans a few more years find
it more affordable. All those people who will get subsidies starting in 2014 so
they can go out and get insurance will find it more affordable. The people who
are tied of subsidizing the irresponsible people who don't have insurance
and then rack up hospital expenses will find it more affordable when those
people have to get insurance.
Its only a matter of when, not if, Obamacare folds. It has enough holes in it
to drive a truck through.The question is: how many billions will we
waste before we give up trying to implement it?The failure of
Obamacare reflects several issues. Obama didn't think he needed any
Republicans at all to help pass it. That issue created the deep divisions on
its' acceptance. They (democrats) didn't spend near enough time
trying to find the problems with it before they voted for it.Democrats thought that, eventually, most Americans would embrace it. But they
didn't, and probably won't.Extended court fights, threats
of defunding, and even the practical implementation and cost aspects of
Obamacare will all add to its demise.
Hutterite and Marxist, you are right. We really need Medicare for all or
single-payer. But at least the ACA was a step in the right direction. Keeping
the status quo would simply have enriched the health-insurance industry fat cats
while decimating the finances of modest-income people with health problems.The way to get single-payer is to elect a majority Democratic House in
the 2014 elections, then to suspend the filibuster rule in the majority
ObamaCare increased access to a broken healthcare system, and only worsened the
problem. Of course the "Affordable Care Act" is a misnomer. It was
intentionally labeled with a lie to hide its true intentions.To
Hutterite: "Single Payer" will only make the problem worse. ObamaCare
is just the middle step to single payer, a step in the wrong direction. We need
a functioning market where consumers are incentivized to take care of their
health decisions (eating, exercise, treatment choices, provider choices, etc.).
Single payer only makes all this more murky. I wrote a white paper years ago on
how to fix the healthcare market, and to better regulate where markets fail
(e.g. price inelastic services and R&D). But no one wants logical
solutions. Everyone wants a political solution.
Wait, so the DN . . . is against Obamacare? Really? What a shocker. Or
perhaps it should be called Romneycare? This isn't the system liberals
wanted, not even the system Obama wanted. A Medicare expansion is what we
wanted, but that wasn't politically viable. What we settled for was this:
a market-oriented Republican solution. It also might work fine. A lot of
evidence suggests it will work. Why don't we wait for it to be
implemented? Then see what parts work, which parts don't work, and amend
Repeal Obamacare early, before the disaster gets any worse.And no,
single payer will not be more affordable. It creates perverse incentives of its
The root of the problem is that the federal government has no authority to force
Americans to buy insurance. The Court told us that Obamacare was a tax and that
Congress has the authority to levy taxes. What the Court did not review was
whether an "insurance tax" is authorized by the Constitution. They did
not review that question because the "tax" had not been implemented and
because it had not been implemented, no "damages" could be determined.
Without "damages", nothing could be done. To me, that was simply a
Court that ignored its duty to uphold the Constitution, but at least they told
us that Obamacare is the largest tax increase ever put upon Americans.The federal government has NO authority to require health insurance. Some
States may have that authority, depending on their constitutions. Obtaining
health care is still a personal duty. Sure, it is costly, but it is costly
mostly because of government interference. Doctor visits would not cost $200 if
the patient had to pay $200. Patients think that the cost is only $20 or free.
Blame FDR to starting that misconception. He froze wages. Employers
created "benefits" to retain valued employees.
Come out in support of a single payer system. That WILL make health care more
In my view President Obama's position should have been "medicare for
all." The public could have understood that and implementation would have
been swift and clean. But the various sectors of the health care business would
not have tolerated that so we have the current environment of confusion and
fear. What will happen is anybody's guess. I can tell you that many
elderly and baby boomers are fearful of going to the grave without care. If
this happens politicians need to know they will face open revolt.
the editorial spells out all that is WRONG with Obamacare. Don't need to
add anything except that the delay in the employer mandate was definitely an
effort to blunt the damage BEFORE the mid-term election.as far as
how BAD Obamacare is, what do you expect from a dem house, dem senate, and dem
WH, but a misguided, mis-named, and thoroughly reprehensible piece of