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Published: Friday, July 12 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Substitute "Allah" every time "God" is mentioned in this letter,
and I could swear I was reading a letter in the Baghdad Daily or Tehran Times.

America is not a Theocracy.

BTW --
Having "God" is not the issue,
it's who's God,
and are you really allowing others the Freedom to worship who, where or what they may?

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

Why does the religious right feel the need to change history to fit their narrative? The reality is that the founders of this country are a lot like the population of this country now. You have Christians, like George Washington, Deists(similar to modern day agnostics) like Thomas Jefferson, and guys who didn't really have strong religious views, but love women and wine like Ben Franklin. The Founding Fathers were a diverse group of people, Americans now are a diverse group of people. Can we please just stick to the facts?

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

There is no objective evidence for a God. There are mountains of objective evidence that support the thesis that "god" is an invention of the human mind. A popular invention, to be sure, but popularity is not reality.

Keep your theocratic urges to yourselves. If you don't want government intruding into your private religious beliefs, then keep your private religious beliefs out of the government.

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” ― Marcus Aurelius

isrred
South Jordan, UT

Christopher Columbus did not "find" this continent...

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

Wait, if you believe Mormon doctrine doesn't that mean that the nephites showed up about 1,600+ years before columbus?

KJB1
Eugene, OR

The "In God We Trust" Brad likes to go on about wasn't added to American coins until 1954 and America managed to survive until then.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

We do understand that "In God We Trust" was not put onto our money until nearly 100 years after our country was founded?

We also realize that it wasn't until the 1950s that it was placed on our paper currency? And it was done to thumb our noses at the communists during the Cold War?

Btw, I could pray all I wanted at school. It was teacher and principal led prayers that we didn't have nor need! Think the majority of utahns would be ok with a Muslim led school prayer?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams. Perhaps this explains why liberals don't like our constitution or the God who inspired it! Didn't Democrats actually booo God at their last convention? Sort of says it all, doesn't it?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

LDS Liberal,

He didn't say America should be a "Theocracy". I think if you read again you will see that. But good putting words in people's mouths. Makes a good strawman for you to fight against.

I think the founding fathers believed there is a God. Otherwise... why all the references to "God" in their writings and their opinions? But I think they were talking about God in general (not any specific religion or belief but the concept in general). So no.. they did not propose a "Theocracy". But they also didn't propose an "Athiest" or a "Humanist" nation either. They recognized God has a role in our lives, and our Nation. They were wise IMO.

I disagree with Blue that "There is no objective evidence for a God". I think EVERYTHING in humanity, nature, and this universe, is evidence of God. But he has a right to his opinion as I have a right to mine.

I do think that the government we have today is off-track from what the founding fathers intended. They didn't want a "State Religion". They also did NOT want government passing laws to hinder peoples faith or beliefs.

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

re: isred

Agreed. The Vikings beat him to it by a good 400 yrs.

re: KJB1

Exactly. Our money does not say in God we worship.

When the phrase in question was added in 1954, the US may have been the utopia that conservatives want to return to.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Sorry to quibble, KJB1, but the US Treasury indicates that "In God We Trust" first began appearing, sporadically, on US coins in the late 1800's. The phrase didn't begin becoming consistently used on coins in the early 1900's. Paper money began to be printed with the phrase in the 1950's.

But your central point is correct - "In God We Trust" was definitely _not_ part of the early history of our nation. That was added much later.

Our nation's original motto was "E Pluribus Unum." ("Out of many, one.") The wisdom of that appears to be beyond the comprehension of today's theocratic conservatives.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

"When the phrase in question was added in 1954, the US may have been the utopia that conservatives want to return to."

Utopia? It was the pinnacle of peace time fear. They added In God We Trust to coins and one nation under God to the Pledge as a sort of "garlic" to ward of those Communist "vampires".

Effecting change through fear? Conservatives used that 1950's formula throughout the 2000's.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams. Perhaps this explains why liberals don't like our constitution or the God who inspired it! Didn't Democrats actually booo God at their last convention? Sort of says it all, doesn't it?"

Ahhhh so it's back to a "god inspired" constitution again? Funny, a week or so ago repubs were callig for the abolishment of the 3rd branch of government, the Judiciary Branch.

I guess the constitution being inspired varies for repubs from week to week.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

re: 2 bits

"I disagree with Blue that "There is no objective evidence for a God". I think EVERYTHING in humanity, nature, and this universe, is evidence of God."

Concur. God exists. Its after that that everything gets fuzzy

"I do think that the government we have today is off-track from what the founding fathers intended. They didn't want a "State Religion". They also did NOT want government passing laws to hinder peoples faith or beliefs."

Agreed. The Wall mentioned by T Jefferson in his letter to the Danbury Baptists is meant to restrict both sides from getting too uppity.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Blue,

I was going from memory when I posted before. I double-checked and sure enough, you were right. Thanks for the correction.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

"This nation was built around God. Without God it wouldn't exist. I even believe that God influenced Christopher Columbus to find this continent." I'm sorry, Brad, but it's incredibly conceited of you to make these statements and expect me to accept and even acquiesce to them because you believe it. I'm not willing to do that. It could well be that this nation was built around the collective deliberations of a group of well educated men who took the best of the lessons history had to offer and improved upon them to craft a new nation. And Columbus 'found' this continent 494 years after the Vikings established a settlement here, let alone how many thousands of years after people traveled to it across the Bering land bridge. As for 'In God we Trust', to me in means we'll take a cheque from god. From you, however, cash only.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Brad Hoffman.

If there was even the tiniest proof or validation of any kind for your belief, we might be able to accept your opinion.

Failing that, we must do the best we can with what we see, hear and feel in the real world.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Mman:

I consider myself a moderate. You would consider me a liberal. I happen to like the Constitution. I understand it differently than you do. I also think some parts of it are woefully outdated. The Founders, as wise as they were, could not anticipate the type of society we enjoy or the unique problems modernity fosters. The document could probably be amended in several ways to make it more relevant to the twenty-first century, but it will likely never happen.

LiberalEastCoastMember
Parkesburg, PA

As long as public school teachers continue to subject their students to tests, exams and quizzes, its safe to say there will be prayer in our public schools.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

John Adams, like every other American, had the right to say whatever he wanted. And the founders wrote all kinds of things referencing their god. You will note, however, that the word does not appear in the Constitution. Maybe they had a reason for that.

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